The Election Night Thread - Part 2

[NHawk19]

For anyone wondering, we just laid out the REAL story concerning the above in the Trump thread. In short, Byrd denounced the KKK, apologized, and spent his life trying to make up for it and even then it weighed on his conscious.

Only after trying to filibuster the civil rights act in 1964 several civil rights, opposing the 1965 Voting act, and approaching the FBI to block the nomination of Thurgood Marshall.

Funny how people look back on their life at the end and try to atone.

 

[terry78]

College kids had their classes canceled and pizza ordered to help them cope with the election results?

If that's true, I'm starting to think maybe him winning wasn't such a bad thing. That is just Simpsons level satire.

 

[Erzengel]

If that's true, I'm starting to think maybe him winning wasn't such a bad thing. That is just Simpsons level satire.

I wasn't even aware that there were therapy puppies that were brought to universities to help college students with stress.

 

[hellified]

So if you voted for Clinton it was because you agreed with her 100%...because it's a package deal.

looking at hillarys policies whats the negative fallout that can have real detrimental effects on specific groups of people?

Trumps polices have an effect on specific people.

for example I know stop and frisk has the potential to violate innocent blakc and brown peoples rights and dignity.

 

[Shikamaru]

Michael Moore did an interesting breakdown five months ago when he predicted Trump would win:

Moore then explained in five bullet points why Trump would win:

1. Midwest Math - Trump would target four traditionally Democrat states, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by telling voters Clinton's free trade deals are responsible for their industrial decline. These states would give Trump the votes he needed on top of traditional 'Red' states.
   
2. White men would make a 'last stand' in the face of electing a woman President.
   
3. Hillary is hugely unpopular because voters find her untrustworthy and representative of "old politics".
   
4. Depressed Bernie Sanders supporters might get themselves out to vote Democrat, but they won't be the excited and committed volunteers who will spend hours campaigning and pulling in extra votes.
   
5. The mischevious electorate would vote Trump just to express their discontent at the Establishment.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/how-michael-moore-perfectly-predicted-9230833

Looks like he was right on the dot.

 

[X Knight]

I really don't think opposition to Clinton was because of her gender.

I very much want to see a woman as President.

I just didn't want the 1st woman president to be Clinton.

 

[Shikamaru]

I really don't think opposition to Clinton was because of her gender.

Some of it was. There's no denying that.

But the bulk of it probably wasn't.

 

[X Knight]

Some of it was. There's no denying that.

But the bulk of it probably wasn't.

perhaps for a small segment of the population.

 

[DeadPresident]

are you kidding me? Its muslims fault its mexicans fault, its gays fault, its blacks fault, its midgets fault.

When have poor and working class whites EVER taken responsibility for their condition?? Its ALWAYS been someone else's fault..hell american history is replete with examples of riots and clashes based on this.

And trump tapped into that anger and finger pointing directly. Thats why he's president now...because those people came out in DROVES for him based on his rhetoric. When the kkk endorsed him you know it wasn't because he promoted an inclusive feel good platform.

It's interesting that you point that out because you sound just as out of touch blaming whites for the condition of black America as average whites do for blaming minorities. Maybe both of you should grow up and realize that if you act accordingly and make good decisions there's no shadowy obstacle busy deliberately waylaying you.

But you won't do that, you've chosen to be a passive variable and you'll just wait until the evil whites are thwarted and prosperity is awarded to the noble people who achieved it

START SAYING??? START SAYING??

So you'll just keep making this about identity, and everyone will have a circle jerk of blame. You feel all warm and fuzzy because you can blame someone for your circumstance and nothing ever changes because you're just set on blaming the whites and wondering why they don't want to bend over backwards to help people that demonize them. It's like you articulate your perspectives wanting them to fail.

You don't realize the way you're approaching this is precisely the method that will ensure people stay divided and no progress is made, at some level I think that's actually what you want. You don't want a unified country, you just want current whites to get what their ancestors had coming to them, right?

 

[hellified]

Some of it was. There's no denying that.

But the bulk of it probably wasn't.

dude you have to understand they've been going hard at hillary for the last 25 years....since bills first term. Hillary is the second most outspoken first lady after eleanor roosevelt. And the GOP have been gunning for her almost harder than they did for bill. They killed the clintons attempt at healthcare reform when bill handed it over to hillary to create. Then theres whitewater and travelgate all those are more hillary driven issues.

I'm not saying gender doesn't play a role but I had to put a percentage on it i'd say its 60% hillary personally vs 40% shes a female.

 

[Shikamaru]

dude you have to understand they've been going hard at hillary for the last 25 years....since bills first term. Hillary is the second most outspoken first lady after eleanor roosevelt. And the GOP have been gunning for her almost harder than they did for bill. They killed the clintons attempt at healthcare reform when bill handed it over to hillary to create. Then theres whitewater and travelgate all those are more hillary driven issues.

Oh I understand all right. Doesn't make her any less of a bad candidate. And Hillary killed her own attempt at healthcare reform when she dropped her support of the public option in exchange for the corporate donors. There's no defending this candidate, plain and simple.

I'm not saying gender doesn't play a role but I had to put a percentage on it i'd say its 60% hillary personally vs 40% shes a female.

What exactly are you basing those numbers on?

Highly doubt it's that high. The fact is most Americans aren't misogynistic in 2016. Hillary being Hillary and Trump being a professional con man had WAY more to do with the result than her being a woman. I don't think you understand how sick of the Establishment the American people are that they'd vote in a professional con man over them. Yes, they are genuinely sick of them to the point of suicide. It's that bad.

 

[Tao43]

its kind of pathetic that race is the root for how america got built..trying to ignore american history because it makes you feel bad is pathetic.

The same could be said for any country's history of how it was built.

 

[DeadPresident]

The same could be said for any country's history of how it was built.

It's only morally dubious when whites do it though, for everyone else it's just "how things were".

 

[X Knight]

College kids had their classes canceled and pizza ordered to help them cope with the election results?

If that's true, I'm starting to think maybe him winning wasn't such a bad thing. That is just Simpsons level satire.

I think that's one reason why Trump won.

people are getting sick and tired of the continued "babying" and "wimpification" of our youth - especially on college campuses.

there's nothing wrong with feeling sad, depressed, or even angry because the outcome didn't go your way. That's just human nature. I would have been pretty sad and depressed if Clinton had won.

but that doesn't mean you retreat to your safe space where you are coddled and babied. doing that in college doesn't prepare you for the real world at all. You can't just not show up to work or cancel a meeting or ignore a customer because your "team" lost. You'd get fired

you suck it up and move on with your life.

Don't like the outcome of the process? Vote again in 4 years.

Get involved in the political process if you want.

Protest and demonstrate peacefully if you want.

but don't curl up into a ball with your pizza and therapy dog next to you in your little safe space.

 

[hellified]

The same could be said for any country's history of how it was built.

It's only morally dubious when whites do it though, for everyone else it's just "how things were".

the only difference is those other countries don't say "all men are created equal" or "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" or "land of the free and home of the brave"

Those other countries didn't tear themselves apart stopping slavery only to create other systems of oppression like black codes and jim crow and the Chinese exclusion act, Indian assimilation programs, Mexican Repatriation etc the list goes on. While no one should live in the past lets not pretend those things don't have lingering effects thats still felt today in some ways.

 

[Shikamaru]

I hate to spam this thread with videos and articles, but Glenn Greenwald did an interesting interview on the Bernie and Trump campaigns and on how one pulled through while the other didn't.

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[Erzengel]

I think that's one reason why Trump won.

people are getting sick and tired of the continued "babying" and "wimpification" of our youth - especially on college campuses.

there's nothing wrong with feeling sad, depressed, or even angry because the outcome didn't go your way. That's just human nature. I would have been pretty sad and depressed if Clinton had won.

but that doesn't mean you retreat to your safe space where you are coddled and babied. doing that in college doesn't prepare you for the real world at all. You can't just not show up to work or cancel a meeting or ignore a customer because your "team" lost. You'd get fired

you suck it up and move on with your life.

Don't like the outcome of the process? Vote again in 4 years.

Get involved in the political process if you want.

Protest and demonstrate peacefully if you want.

but don't curl up into a ball with your pizza and therapy dog next to you in your little safe space.

This is more of a referendum on "some" college students.

A few months ago someone wrote Vote Trump in chalk on a sidewalk at Emory University which traumatized students to seek counseling.

If only there was some magical substance that could remove chalk from a sidewalk.

 

[SuperT]

Samantha Bee Doesn’t ‘Want To Hear A Godd*** Word’ About Black Voter Turnout

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"If Muslims have to take responsibility for every member of their community, so do we [white people]."

Samantha Bee is a gem.

 

[mclay18]

I wasn't even aware that there were therapy puppies that were brought to universities to help college students with stress.

My college only gave out stress relief balls and late night breakfast during exam week.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

NBC News - Electoral College Lesson: More Voters Chose Clinton, but Trump Will Be President

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/20...ters-chose-hillary-clinton-trump-will-n681701

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

November 6, 2012

https://***********/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082

 

[DeadPresident]

the only difference is those other countries don't say "all men are created equal" or "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" or "land of the free and home of the brave"

Those other countries didn't tear themselves apart stopping slavery only to create other systems of oppression like black codes and jim crow and the Chinese exclusion act, Indian assimilation programs, Mexican Repatriation etc the list goes on. While no one should live in the past lets not pretend those things don't have lingering effects thats still felt today in some ways.

Weird thing, the Chinese and Indians are per household higher earners than white Americans. They managed to overcome and usurp the "systems of oppression", and Mexican households aren't earning badly either. I assume if I ask you why white Americans aren't earning as much as Asian Americans you'll tell me the whites should just work harder, which obviously only applies to them, since there are these conspiratorial, unspoken, unidentifiable forces working to subjugate everyone else and only create prosperity for whites…which is failing apparently. And those forces are so successful that Asians are the highest earners by a country mile…Those damn racist whites creating a system that benefits Asians/Indians. Indian, Taiwanese and Filipino Americans are the top 3 earners in the country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Surprise, surprise, "white superiority" is…Asian?

But of course you'll just respond by saying the amount of time that racist legislation affected black Americans is the reason why the effects are still so pronounced. Any and every explanation to make sure you never have to address someone's personal contribution to their lives. What every American deserves is equality of opportunity, it's up to them to then ensure the outcome.

You don't seem to want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome irrespective of someone's own effort and input. I'm assuming Indian Americans earn $100,000 on average because someone gave it to them?

 

[X Knight]

This is more of a referendum on "some" college students.

A few months ago someone wrote Vote Trump in chalk on a sidewalk at Emory University which traumatized students to seek counseling.

If only there was some magical substance that could remove chalk from a sidewalk.

yeah. a name written in chalk should NOT traumatize you.

 

[DeadPresident]

Samantha Bee Doesn’t ‘Want To Hear A Godd*** Word’ About Black Voter Turnout

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"If Muslims have to take responsibility for every member of their community, so do we [white people]."

Samantha Bee is a gem.

Another cute, regressive leftist lie. The only person anyone needs to police is themselves. Individual responsibility, very futuristic concept.

 

[NotNickFury]

I think that's one reason why Trump won.

people are getting sick and tired of the continued "babying" and "wimpification" of our youth - especially on college campuses.

there's nothing wrong with feeling sad, depressed, or even angry because the outcome didn't go your way. That's just human nature. I would have been pretty sad and depressed if Clinton had won.

but that doesn't mean you retreat to your safe space where you are coddled and babied. doing that in college doesn't prepare you for the real world at all. You can't just not show up to work or cancel a meeting or ignore a customer because your "team" lost. You'd get fired

you suck it up and move on with your life.

Don't like the outcome of the process? Vote again in 4 years.

Get involved in the political process if you want.

Protest and demonstrate peacefully if you want.

but don't curl up into a ball with your pizza and therapy dog next to you in your little safe space.

Wow, you...managed to put it much better than I had thought of in my head and then some. I was just gonna blame the so-called 'safe spaces,' but I agree with that.

 

[Manowar]

Black and brown people have been trying to tell you all this for years - America is racist. Your parents are racist, your grandparents are racists, your nice little neighbors are racist, your kids school teacher is racist. I could go on and on - racism isn't always loud an overt. America wanted to keep pushing this post-racial bullcrap for years now meanwhile you had black and brown people literally telling you until we're blue in the face that it wasn't true. We live this on a daily basis here in America.

Now you all are getting a glimpse into what we've been saying and dealing with for years. Until you stop being complacent and start calling out, naming and shaming your racists friends and family members, it's going to keep happening. Have zero sympathy, I'm just upset at this point. You have absolutely no clue how terrifying this going to be for racial minorities. It's life threatening.

You do realize that all races have racists in their fold. Ironically, countries where American minorities and their descendants come from are just as racist if not more so than America.