The Election Night Thread - Part 2

[terry78]

I'm pretty sure that one black guy in every circle that voted for Trump either kept his mouth shut or is still in traction today.

 

[DeadPresident]

You do realize that all races have racists in their fold. Ironically, countries where American minorities and their descendants come from are just as racist if not more so than America.

This is another popular myth people like SuperT like to propagate, that there's some kind of unspoken solidarity among all non-whites. Like Arab culture doesn't have incredibly disparaging views about Africans, like Asians don't have prejudices about whites or blacks. Racism and prejudice in the fairytale land of the uninformed leftist is reserved exclusively for the white devil.

I'm pretty sure that one black guy in every circle that voted for Trump either kept his mouth shut or is still in traction today.

Or…you know, black people have agency and can vote how they want and they aren't owned by the democrats? Whether it's a good decision or not, but this notion that "everyone has to fall in line" is you know, pretty fascist.

 

[Erzengel]

On the topic of race, someone non-Asian on here said that they had no respect for a group (Asians) who could group together and speak up for themselves.

I had to remind them the geographical, sociological, economical, belief etc. differences between Asian groups and how they just don't get come together.

Plus you know there is racism between Asian groups.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I think a lot of you understand that the youth of today of the United States are less non-Hispanic white than ever. Of course the college youth and younger ages don't like Trump because of his blatant pro-white anti-other tendencies and rhetoric and his objectification of women that comes from a profoundly sexist person.

Bloomberg News - The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...abies-are-no-longer-mostly-non-hispanic-white

 

[SuperT]

This is another popular myth people like SuperT like to propagate, that there's some kind of unspoken solidarity among all non-whites. Like Arab culture doesn't have incredibly disparaging views about Africans, like Asians don't have prejudices about whites or blacks. Racism and prejudice in the fairytale land of the uninformed leftist is reserved exclusively for the white devil.

When the hell have I said there isn't prejudice between racial groups? That's never once been uttered in any of my points. The difference is that this entire country wasn't built on the small percentage of hatred between racial groups, it was built on white supremacy and the subjugation of all those minority groups by white society. So yes, please keep comparing the prejudices between Asian/Af-Ams, or Latinos/Af-Am to the racism that built this country. You people cannot be this damn obtuse.

For gods sake, we just saw white privilege and white supremacy on display Tuesday night when a white guy can get away with saying half the crap Trump did and still gets elected by a majority of white people in this country. Or hell even some voters overlooking his racist remarks and still voting for him because yo know none of that affects them whatsoever. That is the definition of White Privilege.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

The fact is most Americans aren't misogynistic in 2016.

and yet, you can brag about grabbing women by their genitals and still get elected president

 

[SuperT]

I think a lot of you understand that the youth of today of the United States are less non-Hispanic white than ever. Of course the college youth and younger ages don't like Trump because of his blatant pro-white anti-other tendacies and rhetoric.

This is completely wrong. A large portion of Millennial whites between 18--29 still voted for Trump.

So yea, the children are just as racist and bigoted as the parents.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

This is completely wrong. A large portion of Millennial whites between 18--29 still voted for Trump.

So yea, the children are just as racist and bigoted as the parents.

I was referring to the youth in general (not just whites) and people in college - education is a big dividing line as well.

 

[SuperT]

I was referring to the youth in general (not just whites) and people in college - education is a big dividing line as well.

Right, but a lot of those minority youths won't be of voting age by midterms or even the next general election so white millennial voters still have control.

 

[chaseter]

College kids had their classes canceled and pizza ordered to help them cope with the election results?

Wait until a SJW runs in 2032.

 

[SuperT]

The fact is most Americans aren't misogynistic in 2016.

This is so beyond incorrect it's incredible. This is what happens when you have a vast majority of people that are just so out of tune with minority issues. You don't deal with it on a daily basis, so you don't think it's still a huge issue. A large majority of Americans are misogynistic, whether they know it or not. Not all misogyny is loud and overt and not all misogyny comes from men - internalized misogyny exists in women but that topic is not my place to talk about.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I think that's one reason why Trump won.

people are getting sick and tired of the continued "babying" and "wimpification" of our youth - especially on college campuses.

there's nothing wrong with feeling sad, depressed, or even angry because the outcome didn't go your way. That's just human nature. I would have been pretty sad and depressed if Clinton had won.

but that doesn't mean you retreat to your safe space where you are coddled and babied. doing that in college doesn't prepare you for the real world at all. You can't just not show up to work or cancel a meeting or ignore a customer because your "team" lost. You'd get fired

you suck it up and move on with your life.

Don't like the outcome of the process? Vote again in 4 years.

Get involved in the political process if you want.

Protest and demonstrate peacefully if you want.

but don't curl up into a ball with your pizza and therapy dog next to you in your little safe space.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you a big fan of marijuana and it's legalization? If so, let me know how that works out for you here in about 4 years.

 

[Sithborg]

I think that's one reason why Trump won.

people are getting sick and tired of the continued "babying" and "wimpification" of our youth - especially on college campuses.

there's nothing wrong with feeling sad, depressed, or even angry because the outcome didn't go your way. That's just human nature. I would have been pretty sad and depressed if Clinton had won.

but that doesn't mean you retreat to your safe space where you are coddled and babied. doing that in college doesn't prepare you for the real world at all. You can't just not show up to work or cancel a meeting or ignore a customer because your "team" lost. You'd get fired

you suck it up and move on with your life.

Don't like the outcome of the process? Vote again in 4 years.

Get involved in the political process if you want.

Protest and demonstrate peacefully if you want.

but don't curl up into a ball with your pizza and therapy dog next to you in your little safe space.

I know from personal experience just how harmful the "just suck it up" attitude can be. Because of that attitude, I didn't get the help I needed until I had an emotional breakdown. I'm not saying everyone should walk on eggshells around everyone. But telling someone to "suck it up" is not the proper response. They should get the support they need, which isn't just catering to their them by the way.

 

[regwec]

I broadly agree with DeadPresident that the way in which "white people" are routinely pilloried in a casually racist manner for rhetorical effect is bound to engender a reaction. I have long been troubled by this.

 

[chaseter]

Only white people are labeled as racist in this country.

 

[SuperT]

I broadly agree with DeadPresident that the way in which "white people" are routinely pilloried in a casually racist manner for rhetorical effect is bound to engender a reaction. I have long been troubled by this.

You don't like being lumped in with everyone - welcome to what we deal with on the daily, I have little sympathy. You always tell African-Americans to clean up our communities when some police shooting happens, you keep telling Muslim citizens they all need to take responsibility as a community for terrorism, you tell Latino/Hispanics they need to take responsibility for all the illegal immigrants.

But now that white America has ef'ed up the country and minorities are calling you out, you want to yell "NOT ALL OF US! NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE! NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY." Yes, it is your responsibility when you sit around and let your family members, friends, co-workers etc. be casually racist and not call them out, you are apart of the problem. It's not enough for you to just say you support minorities, what are you actively doing to support?! Because sitting around being complacent now has us where we are today.

 

[Shikamaru]

This is so beyond incorrect it's incredible. This is what happens when you have a vast majority of people that are just so out of tune with minority issues. You don't deal with it on a daily basis, so you don't think it's still a huge issue. A large majority of Americans are misogynistic, whether they know it or not. Not all misogyny is loud and overt and not all misogyny comes from men - internalized misogyny exists in women but that topic is not my place to talk about.

If you look at the polls, the American people are Progressive on the majority of issues. 61% want to raise taxes on the wealthy, over 50% want public healthcare and education, and the list goes on. The Hill also posted a poll on their site back in March showing most Americans are ready for a female president. You can find these polls on the internet; the American media just doesn't report on them since it doesn't fit in with their narrative.

It's a myth the US is this extreme conservative nation compared to the rest of the West. There's definitely a greater proportion of sexists, and there's more subconscious sexism that exists as well, but at the very least Hillary being a woman wasn't a factor for over 50% of the country. Either way you spin it, you can't say Hillary's vagina card was a bigger factor in her losing than Hillary being Hillary was.

 

[chaseter]

Democrats out in full force rioting and causing property damage. How tolerant:

http://abc7news.com/news/crews-clean-up-damage-after-anti-trump-protests-in-oakland/1600066/

 

[Shikamaru]

and yet, you can brag about grabbing women by their genitals and still get elected president

Because they hated the alternative even more.

I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but these kinda points seem to boil down to "There's no way the people are that angry at the Establishment to vote for Trump."

Well, that's what I keep telling you. Yes, they really are that angry. Yes, they simply don't care what happens as long as the Establishment goes down. Yes, it has gotten that bad in America.

 

[X Knight]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you a big fan of marijuana and it's legalization? If so, let me know how that works out for you here in about 4 years.

I believe you've mistaken me for someone else.

as you can tell from my signature, I'm straight edge. I don't do drugs or drink or smoke.

so in no way am I a huge fan of marijuana.........lol.

 

[hellified]

It's interesting that you point that out because you sound just as out of touch blaming whites for the condition of black America as average whites do for blaming minorities. Maybe both of you should grow up and realize that if you act accordingly and make good decisions there's no shadowy obstacle busy deliberately waylaying you.

But you won't do that, you've chosen to be a passive variable and you'll just wait until the evil whites are thwarted and prosperity is awarded to the noble people who achieved it

the only difference is american history backs up blacks complaints..white people are just bitter to see anything positive happening for anyone other than themselves.

So you'll just keep making this about identity, and everyone will have a circle jerk of blame. You feel all warm and fuzzy because you can blame someone for your circumstance and nothing ever changes because you're just set on blaming the whites and wondering why they don't want to bend over backwards to help people that demonize them. It's like you articulate your perspectives wanting them to fail.

You don't realize the way you're approaching this is precisely the method that will ensure people stay divided and no progress is made, at some level I think that's actually what you want. You don't want a unified country, you just want current whites to get what their ancestors had coming to them, right?

 

[hellified]

Weird thing, the Chinese and Indians are per household higher earners than white Americans. They managed to overcome and usurp the "systems of oppression", and Mexican households aren't earning badly either. I assume if I ask you why white Americans aren't earning as much as Asian Americans you'll tell me the whites should just work harder, which obviously only applies to them, since there are these conspiratorial, unspoken, unidentifiable forces working to subjugate everyone else and only create prosperity for whites…which is failing apparently. And those forces are so successful that Asians are the highest earners by a country mile…Those damn racist whites creating a system that benefits Asians/Indians. Indian, Taiwanese and Filipino Americans are the top 3 earners in the country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Surprise, surprise, "white superiority" is…Asian?

But of course you'll just respond by saying the amount of time that racist legislation affected black Americans is the reason why the effects are still so pronounced. Any and every explanation to make sure you never have to address someone's personal contribution to their lives. What every American deserves is equality of opportunity, it's up to them to then ensure the outcome.

You don't seem to want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome irrespective of someone's own effort and input. I'm assuming Indian Americans earn $100,000 on average because someone gave it to them?

this was addressed in the racism thread

 

[Donner]

the only difference is american history backs up blacks complaints..white people are just bitter to see anything positive happening for anyone other than themselves.

Wow. Jesus. Calm down. You have so much anger in you. It's not healthy.

People don't choose to become victims, but they most definitely choose to stay victims. If you live your life being angry and upset at perceived or real slights against you, you'll lie on your deathbed having never really lived.

 

[X Knight]

I know from personal experience just how harmful the "just suck it up" attitude can be. Because of that attitude, I didn't get the help I needed until I had an emotional breakdown. I'm not saying everyone should walk on eggshells around everyone. But telling someone to "suck it up" is not the proper response. They should get the support they need, which isn't just catering to their them by the way.

that's not the point I was trying to make. maybe suck it up wasn't the right phrase to use.

you should definitely seek out support and help.

but safe spaces and how some of these colleges are coddling and babying our youth is not the right answer.

you don't cancel mid term exams because your students are depressed about the election's outcome.

that's not support. that's not helping people.

that's babying and coddling and in the long run will only hurt the students cuz it doesn't prepare them for the real world.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Because they hated the alternative even more.

I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but these kinda points seem to boil down to "There's no way the people are that angry at the Establishment to vote for Trump."

Well, that's what I keep telling you. Yes, they really are that angry. Yes, they simply don't care what happens as long as the Establishment goes down. Yes, it has gotten that bad in America.

so, what you're telling me is, a vote for a billionaire with tight connections to the political elite was a vote against what people call establishment?