The Election Night Thread - Part 2

[Schlosser85]

Look, I don't like Hillary, and she was terrible, etc.. But let's not use her as a scapegoat.

America had a choice and elected a crazy bigot. This is on the country, not her.

This.

 

[Donner]

And also on those that didn't vote. At one point do you say that voting for the other guy/girl is better than so and so becoming president? I know people vote for things, but since Hillary didn't threaten to ban an entire group of people from entering the States or repeal Roe v. Wade, I would think that voting for protecting those rights by voting against Trump would be enough.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

My boss basically said Trump won because people in metro areas like Chicago claim they're gonna vote and support, while people in farmlands and rural areas with like populations of 50 turn out in droves.

He's basically right. Not with regards to Chicago, but bad turnout in places like Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Detroit, and Charlotte is pretty much how he got elected.

 

[Shikamaru]

Why are these morons so desperate? The economy is in relatively good shape. Obama's performance has exceeded that of what Mitt Romney promised.

These people are short sighted bigots.

But hey, they may screw over a ton of helpless people, but when Trump wrecks this economy, their asses will suffer too. Hopefully more. I look forward to that day, when these miserable people lose their jobs and everything.

From the perspective of the average voter, Obama is not enough. 2016 was the year of populism. The people want radical change. They wanted a candidate that wasn't part of the Establishment. Either someone like Bernie or a third party candidate.

So naturally when those candidates are no longer a realistic option, they'll cling to the con man who sells himself as anti-Establishment.

 

[MadVillainy]

The funny thing to me about the Bernie supporters is that Bernie pleaded with them to vote for Hillary and it seems like they didn't follow the words of the guy who they've been d***riding

 

[Shikamaru]

8 years ago, W dragged the nation to 2 wars, plus high debts and a tanking economy. Obama took over, and we're in a lot better position than we were before.Trump will do what W Bush has done before him, and it won't be long before the country is again in a state of downward spiral.

Doesn't matter. People expected more.

Again, people want radical change. Obama ran on a very Progressive campaign but then operated as a functionary. Bernie ran on an even more Progressive campaign than Obama, but lost due to the media bias. Jill Stein and Gary Johnson never stood a realistic chance.

So the American people thus voted for the only other candidate that sold himself as populist.

 

[herakles]

Trump actually got fewer votes than Clinton.

YOu can thank California for that. Event then it was STILL less than 200,000

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Bingo. White fragility screwed all of us over.

I think to imply that Trump's victory was due completely to racist sentiments is misguided and in some sense trying to oversimplify it to cope with the decision.

In reality, based on what I've read, it seems more like the voter base where he got the biggest turnout was with the white, rural blue-collar workers, most of whom who work in industries in the rust belt or in farming or the coal regions where their signature industries have either all but gone away or have been completely rendered useless by out-sourcing, technology, etc.

That population lives hand to mouth and check to check these days having seen a large drop in their standard of living, and basically been left behind as the Country evolves and speeds ahead. They don't really have the luxury of confronting social issues, and due to their rural nature don't get all too much exposure to more than a handful of minorities.

Does fear and racism play a part in that? Sure it does. But it definitely wasn't the sole or perhaps even largest motivation, otherwise they'd have come out in droves in 2008/2012 to vote AGAINST Obama, and that didn't happen.

Trump's "Make America Great Again" BS hit a nerve with them, most likely unintended, in that it harkens them back to when they were relevant and earning a good living. Their communities are almost as homogeneously white now as they were then so I would doubt that was the most attractive aspect of that for them.

The sad part in the end is you should feel bad for these folks. Because they've in effect turned to a man they don't completely understand and they're going to be left holding the bag because coal mining and like industries in the south/rust belt/ozarks, etc. aren't coming back no matter what Trump said, and I doubt he'd really even know where to begin to try. That horse has long left the barn.

 

[herakles]

This is one fo the few times we have agreed this election cycle. Bernie was the only one with the balls to stand up against Hillary and her "inevitable" run. Everyone else wanted to stay out of the way so they could tow the party line and not cause any waves. If we get the Clinton's and Bush's out of political cycle though then chalk it up as a win I guess.

I agree! Holy **** we can agree!

IMO this was a good thing cause had Clinton won she would have ruined it for other women for the next 30-40 years. She would have been involved in another corruption scandal and this would have led to her getting Impeached and removed from office.

 

[BoredGuy]

SHOUTING. SCREAMING. REBELLING!

LONG LIVE PUNK ROCK!

Although I loved the music in the past, it's all the more relevant today.

Yeah, the only tiny silver lining I could find in this is that Bad Religion and Leftover Crack's next albums will be f**kin' ragers

 

[herakles]

Look, I don't like Hillary, and she was terrible, etc.. But let's not use her as a scapegoat.

America had a choice and elected a crazy bigot. This is on the country, not her.

Trump was never viewed in that light UNTIL he decided to run against Queen Hilary!

IF Trump was a bigot given his wealth and celebrity there would have been several reports reported with in the last 30 years.

 

[Marvolo]

Coal and oil stocks rose.

Im shocked.

 

[Pokkle]

Trump was never viewed in that light UNTIL he decided to run against Queen Hilary!

IF Trump was a bigot given his wealth and celebrity there would have been several reports reported with in the last 30 years.

And there is like the Central Park five story.

 

[herakles]

Look, if you vote for Trump you are a bigot. You can pretend it's about the economy - even though it's doing better than anyone in 2012 thought it would be - but actions speak louder than words.

Maybe they're not conscious of their own bigotry.

typical liberal BS! Your intolerance is a form of bigotry!


big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries

1. intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
   "the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry"
   
   
   
   

 

[Kyle]

Okay. Yeah. We should be tolerant of white supremacy. Lol. If that's what you are saying, white supremacists have stated so before - "but where's my rights to lynch blacks and beat gays to death?"

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

intolerance of intolerance is not bigotry. It's exactly the opposite.

 

[Marvolo]

Trump was never viewed in that light UNTIL he decided to run against Queen Hilary!

IF Trump was a bigot given his wealth and celebrity there would have been several reports reported with in the last 30 years.

He's been sued for racism and bigotry in the last 30 years. You can read about it in this article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

And have you heard of the Central Park Five?

And where have you been the last 8 years? His birther BS was all racism and he was viewed as a racist because of his birther nonsense. Trump's racism isnt a fabrication of the media or this election. The man is a racist and a bigot and he has been for over 30 years.

 

[Boom]

The man is on record as saying that laziness is a "trait of blacks."

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I'm honestly scared how racism/sexism may take things moving forward. I'm a straight white male, but I have friends all over the spectrum, LGBT, Hispanic, black, etc. No one should have to feel bad about how they were born. I couldn't choose it and no one else could either. But when there's KKK cheering Trump, and then people like the tumblr crowd telling me I should feel bad for how I was born because I'm in the most deplorable demographic, despite me doing nothing wrong.

I'm just very scared that things will be at a whole new level four years from now with Trump in charge. Feels like dark times ahead.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm honestly scared how racism/sexism may take things moving forward. I'm a straight white male, but I have friends all over the spectrum, LGBT, Hispanic, black, etc. No one should have to feel bad about how they were born. I couldn't choose it and no one else could either. But when there's KKK cheering Trump, and then people like the tumblr crowd telling me I should feel bad for how I was born because I'm in the most deplorable demographic, despite me doing nothing wrong.

I'm just very scared that things will be at a whole new level four years from now with Trump in charge. Feels like dark times ahead.

That s*** passes me off and I'm black

 

[herakles]

intolerance of intolerance is not bigotry. It's exactly the opposite.

Intolerance of anything is by definition intolerant

 

[The Overlord]

I think to imply that Trump's victory was due completely to racist sentiments is misguided and in some sense trying to oversimplify it to cope with the decision.

In reality, based on what I've read, it seems more like the voter base where he got the biggest turnout was with the white, rural blue-collar workers, most of whom who work in industries in the rust belt or in farming or the coal regions where their signature industries have either all but gone away or have been completely rendered useless by out-sourcing, technology, etc.

That population lives hand to mouth and check to check these days having seen a large drop in their standard of living, and basically been left behind as the Country evolves and speeds ahead. They don't really have the luxury of confronting social issues, and due to their rural nature don't get all too much exposure to more than a handful of minorities.

Does fear and racism play a part in that? Sure it does. But it definitely wasn't the sole or perhaps even largest motivation, otherwise they'd have come out in droves in 2008/2012 to vote AGAINST Obama, and that didn't happen.

Trump's "Make America Great Again" BS hit a nerve with them, most likely unintended, in that it harkens them back to when they were relevant and earning a good living. Their communities are almost as homogeneously white now as they were then so I would doubt that was the most attractive aspect of that for them.

The sad part in the end is you should feel bad for these folks. Because they've in effect turned to a man they don't completely understand and they're going to be left holding the bag because coal mining and like industries in the south/rust belt/ozarks, etc. aren't coming back no matter what Trump said, and I doubt he'd really even know where to begin to try. That horse has long left the barn.

I just don't see how Trump's policies are supposed to help the economy. If he does some the crazy things he promised the economy will get worse not better. It seems like people just took him at his word that could fix the economy, without asking for details.

 

[Kyle]

Just remember DreamMaster, don't have to lay down and take it. It's up to have our voices be heard. Evil prevails when good men do nothing.

 

[chaseter]

Bingo. White fragility screwed all of us over.

Everything is racist to a liberal that doesn't get their way.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Everything is racist to a liberal that doesn't get their way.

It is when whites overwhelmingly vote for an unapologetic bigot.