The Election Night Thread - Part 2

[Pokkle]

it emboldens them because his election validates everything they believe.

when trump harassed Obama about his birth certificate to the point where he felt the need to show it again to put the stupid issue to rest...all I saw was an old white man saying the black man in the office of the presidency wasn't legitimate until HE said he was. Only to see 6 or 7 years later that same old white man stepping into the office with the ability and mandate to rollback and erase any and all accomplishments of that black man...

yeah it emboldens them.

It's really sad that a man like this could win an election.

 

[Ironfan72]

I agree, these next two years for sure, till the next major election will be very hard to go through, we are seeing cities all over with large protests against this election, California residents are openly talking about voting the state out of the union, I mean Trump is reported considering Sarah Palin for a major cabinet post, that women is a moron, I see KKK groups raving over this win. In reality Democrats only have themselves to blame, like usual many were apathetic and stayed away from the polls, and others voted 3rd party, I was a Bernie Sanders supporter but voted for Hillary because I knew what Trump was and will be, anyone with a small amount of common sense can see it, its not hard to see, yet I had to listen to the people I work with who voted for Trump go on about he will cut through the red tape, he will get congress and the house working better, Christian values are back in Washington, jobs are coming back, they were glad that old lady lost, I was just disgusted with it all.

 

[MadVillainy]

I agree, these next two years for sure, till the next major election will be very hard to go through, we are seeing cities all over with large protests against this election, California residents are openly talking about voting the state out of the union, I mean Trump is reported considering Sarah Palin for a major cabinet post, that women is a moron, I see KKK groups raving over this win. In reality Democrats only have themselves to blame, like usual many were apathetic and stayed away from the polls, and others voted 3rd party, I was a Bernie Sanders supporter but voted for Hillary because I knew what Trump was and will be, anyone with a small amount of common sense can see it, its not hard to see, yet I had to listen to the people I work with who voted for Trump go on about he will cut through the red tape, he will get congress and the house working better, Christian values are back in Washington, jobs are coming back, they were glad that old lady lost, I was just disgusted with it all.

That's still so mad at the Bernie or Bust people. The guy who you were worshipping begged you to vote for Hillary and you ignored him, but you still ride around acting like your down with Bernie.

 

[samsnee]

it emboldens them because his election validates everything they believe.

when trump harassed Obama about his birth certificate to the point where he felt the need to show it again to put the stupid issue to rest...all I saw was an old white man saying the black man in the office of the presidency wasn't legitimate until HE said he was. Only to see 6 or 7 years later that same old white man stepping into the office with the ability and mandate to rollback and erase any and all accomplishments of that black man...

yeah it emboldens them.

Exactly

 

[MadVillainy]

Hell even Colin Kaepernick didn't vote.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/after-...uo-colin-kaepernick-didnt-vote-150157168.html

I was fine with his protest even if I did find it a bit naive.

But he's an idiot for this.
1) If you really can't see the difference between Clinton or Trump then idk what to tell you. I actually question how you see the world
2) You also vote on a local issues on the ballot

Dude is a jackass and as Stephan A Smith said unless he's throwing an, most likely, incomplete pass I don't wanna hear about it. His mentality was spread to far with other voters and if anything bad happens it's on them as much as the people who showed up and showed out for Trump.

 

[Schlosser85]

Maybe Kapaernick would have voted if he had any actual moral convictions about anything and wasn't an attention ****ing charlatan who thinks he's a badass because he kneeled.

If you see no difference between Trump and Clinton, youre delusional.

 

[NotNickFury]

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The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

And oddly enough, you've got Clinton backers wanting it eliminated based on how she's apparently doing with the Popular vote. Seems the two sides aren't all that different at times. Had she won, would they be clamoring for the end of the electoral college, I wonder.

 

[MadVillainy]

Maybe Kapaernick would have voted if he had any actual moral convictions about anything and wasn't an attention ****ing charlatan who thinks he's a badass because he kneeled.

If you see no difference between Trump and Clinton, youre delusional.

The other thing is, and I say this as a black 1st generation born in America son of immigrants: RACE WAS NOT THE ONLY DAMN ISSUE

Kaepernick I'm sure knows women, but he didn't think "Hmmm I'm not gonna vote against the guy who has another guy on his ticket who tries to jail people for abortion"
or "I'm not gonna vote against the guy who made it easier to disriminate against gay people"

As I said, I was fine with how he was doing his protest even if I found it naive. But dude is an a**hole for not voting. And people saying "Well he didn't like either candidate," (once again there is more on a ballot then the presidential vote) "why are people attacking him" Then they are misguided as he is

 

[Mani-Man]

While i do understand third party voters and for what they stand, in terms of a Two party system...those people feel a bit "dumb" to me.

Yeah you should vote for the person that you like and support...but if this person has not even 50% chance of becoming president...why do it?

Especially those who voted for a different democrate seem to be extremely short minded i think.
In the end, this vote...helped the side you were completely against, the side that gone against everything your canidate stood for.
So what have those people exactly gained?
That they can pat themself on the shoulder? For what?

Trump is president, and even worse...the Republicans have full power now.
So what exactly have third party voters archived?
I dont see at this point any kind of win in this.

Or the people who voted against Clinton out of spite or some dumb reason...what have you archived?
Yeah you made sure she doesnt win...but you also lost, because you will feel the effects too in those 4 years.

I dont know, i dont see what people gained there.

 

[Matt]

I've been trying very hard to process this election. I, like Van Jones and so many others, am trying to figure out how to explain it to my daughter. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that despite being more qualified and better suited for a job, Hillary Clinton was passed over by a misogynistic, bigoted, rich white man. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that this is the reality she will live in. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that she will have to work twice as hard for everything and even then, if a white man wants it, she won't get it, because even 100 years after suffrage, that is still the America she lives in. I am trying to figure out how to explain that she lives in an America where the President views her as little more than a living and breathing sex toy.

Fortunately, I have time. She is too young to truly understand this stuff right now. But she won't be forever. Before Trump's first four years end, she will be old enough to ask questions about this election, about the things that the President has said...and I really don't know how to explain it.

 

[STARMAN]

Half the country doesn't vote. When you're not voting you're passing on the presidency, congress, the Supreme Court, cabinet positions such as Attorney General, and down-ballot issues.

 

[chaseter]

I've been trying very hard to process this election. I, like Van Jones and so many others, am trying to figure out how to explain it to my daughter. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that despite being more qualified and better suited for a job, Hillary Clinton was passed over by a misogynistic, bigoted, rich white man. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that this is the reality she will live in. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that she will have to work twice as hard for everything and even then, if a white man wants it, she won't get it, because even 100 years after suffrage, that is still the America she lives in. I am trying to figure out how to explain that she lives in an America where the President views her as little more than a living and breathing sex toy.

Fortunately, I have time. She is too young to truly understand this stuff right now. But she won't be forever. Before Trump's first four years end, she will be old enough to ask questions about this election, about the things that the President has said...and I really don't know how to explain it.

Van blamed it on white people so I guess he figured it out. When in doubt, race card.

 

[Ironfan72]

What bothered me even more about those who voted 3rd party, the candidate himself said any vote for him was a vote taken away from Hillary and he was very happy with that, where was the stand against Trump? I saw to much rhetoric again Hillary, why did no one take Trump as serious as they did Hillary.
This is not the country I had hoped for, hate and racism are taking control, how do we look are kids in the face and tell them Trump and what he stands for is wrong when he is in charge.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So tangential question, does Trump's election embolden the neo-Nazis, or does it placate them because they have their proxy in the White House?

Maybe a lone wolf attack here and there.

But for the most part their leaders will follow Trump's lead.

They don't want to ruin their chance at fourth reich by hurting any mandate Trump might have.

 

[Ironfan72]

Van blamed it on white people so I guess he figured it out. When in doubt, race card.

He is not wrong, when hate groups including the KKK and neo Nazis endorse Trump, who lead the birther movement against President Obama, basically trying to taint our first Black president, many saw the night Obama won his first term that our country had turned a corner and was finally being more open minded and progressive, Tuesday showed the world that ignorance and hate rule this country.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I've been trying very hard to process this election. I, like Van Jones and so many others, am trying to figure out how to explain it to my daughter. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that despite being more qualified and better suited for a job, Hillary Clinton was passed over by a misogynistic, bigoted, rich white man. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that this is the reality she will live in. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that she will have to work twice as hard for everything and even then, if a white man wants it, she won't get it, because even 100 years after suffrage, that is still the America she lives in. I am trying to figure out how to explain that she lives in an America where the President views her as little more than a living and breathing sex toy.

Fortunately, I have time. She is too young to truly understand this stuff right now. But she won't be forever. Before Trump's first four years end, she will be old enough to ask questions about this election, about the things that the President has said...and I really don't know how to explain it.

My daughter is 15 and she is angry that America elected Trump.

At least I can point out to her that most voters rejected him based purely on numbers.

But it's hard to convey to your kids the importance of democracy when it helps someone like Trump rise to power.

 

[MadVillainy]

If you voted 3rd or didn't vote then you are the equivalent of the kids watching the bully beating up another kid while you do nothing

You're only a small notch above those who voted Trump

And I don't wanna hear any of the 3rd party claiming to be pro choice, a friend of the LGBT community, or that they hate racism

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

He is not wrong, when hate groups including the KKK and neo Nazis endorse Trump, who lead the birther movement against President Obama, basically trying to taint our first Black president, many saw the night Obama won his first term that our country had turned a corner and was finally being more open minded and progressive, Tuesday showed the world that ignorance and hate rule this country.

Yeah, take away white nationalism and does Trump steamroll during the primaries and energize the base to this extent?

Nope, nothing else sets him apart from everyone else.

 

[samsnee]

I've been trying very hard to process this election. I, like Van Jones and so many others, am trying to figure out how to explain it to my daughter. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that despite being more qualified and better suited for a job, Hillary Clinton was passed over by a misogynistic, bigoted, rich white man. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that this is the reality she will live in. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that she will have to work twice as hard for everything and even then, if a white man wants it, she won't get it, because even 100 years after suffrage, that is still the America she lives in. I am trying to figure out how to explain that she lives in an America where the President views her as little more than a living and breathing sex toy.

Fortunately, I have time. She is too young to truly understand this stuff right now. But she won't be forever. Before Trump's first four years end, she will be old enough to ask questions about this election, about the things that the President has said...and I really don't know how to explain it.

For my son, I avoided talking about why he was elected. I just focused on instilling in him the values he should live by, which is be humble and respect and appreciate people from all walks of life. Our next president may not believe those things, but I still do.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

While i do understand third party voters and for what they stand, in terms of a Two party system...those people feel a bit "dumb" to me.

Yeah you should vote for the person that you like and support...but if this person has not even 50% chance of becoming president...why do it?

Especially those who voted for a different democrate seem to be extremely short minded i think.
In the end, this vote...helped the side you were completely against, the side that gone against everything your canidate stood for.
So what have those people exactly gained?
That they can pat themself on the shoulder? For what?

Trump is president, and even worse...the Republicans have full power now.
So what exactly have third party voters archived?
I dont see at this point any kind of win in this.

Or the people who voted against Clinton out of spite or some dumb reason...what have you archived?
Yeah you made sure she doesnt win...but you also lost, because you will feel the effects too in those 4 years.

I dont know, i dont see what people gained there.

Ralph Nader got 100,000 votes in Florida during the 2000 election.

Al Gore needed only 5,000 to win.

Was a protest vote worth 8 years of George W Bush?

People have terrifyingly short memories.

 

[terry78]

I hope all those ****ers that were protesting last night blocking my way to the train voted on Tuesday. If not, **** you.

 

[NotNickFury]

If you voted 3rd or didn't vote then you are the equivalent of the kids watching the bully beating up another kid while you do nothing

You're only a small notch above those who voted Trump

And I don't wanna hear any of the 3rd party claiming to be pro choice, a friend of the LGBT community, or that they hate racism

Yeah, see, I don't buy that argument at all. Thought the same when a loudmouth like Rachel Maddow said that third party voters don't care who becomes President. You can be upset that your side lost and look for ways to process it, but that's just playing the blame game and going after people for voting the way they chose. You don't like the results, that's fine, but don't use it as an excuse to use third party voters as a scapegoat when they could have voted for either Clinton OR Trump, not just one of them.

Fact is you're always gonna have people dissatisfied with the two main choices and will vote for someone else. That's their decision. You may consider it a bad one, but that's their choice and they at least have the right to that decision just as much as you have the right to disagree. But to debase them? That does no one any favors anymore than the Trump and Clinton supporters still resorting to name-calling even though the election is done.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah, see, I don't buy that argument at all. Thought the same when a loudmouth like Rachel Maddow said that third party voters don't care who becomes President. You can be upset that your side lost and look for ways to process it, but that's just playing the blame game and going after people for voting the way they chose. You don't like the results, that's fine, but don't use it as an excuse to use third party voters as a scapegoat when they could have voted for either Clinton OR Trump, not just one of them.

Fact is you're always gonna have people dissatisfied with the two main choices and will vote for someone else. That's their decision. You may consider it a bad one, but that's their choice and they at least have the right to that decision just as much as you have the right to disagree. But to debase them? That does no one any favors anymore than the Trump and Clinton supporters still resorting to name-calling even though the election is done.

I'll debase them because it's true.

If you voted 3rd party, did a write in, or didn't vote you don't care.
You literally voted for someone who had no chance of winning. You wouldn't go to a race track and bet on a 1 legged horse that has no chance of victory.

And as I said there are 3rd party voters who claim to be pro choice, LGBT, etc. but they took no logical or even a realistic stand against the side that had a person or people against those views.

And as I've also said the 3rd party supporters who are just mad because Bernie wasn't in the race don't care about Bernie at all because he told them to vote Clinton.

So yes I'll debase them as people who threw away a vote and helped a side with that has a person or people against LGBT, pro choice, etc. rights

There was a big difference between the candidates this year and the current/recent rhetoric they use.

 

[terry78]

Kang: Go ahead...throw your vote away!

 

[NotNickFury]

I'll debase them because it's true.

If you voted 3rd party, did a write in, or didn't vote you don't care.
You literally voted for someone who had no chance of winning.
And as I said there are 3rd party voters who claim to be pro choice, LGBT, etc. but they took no logical or realistic stand against the side that had a person or people against those views.

So yes I'll debase them as people who threw away a vote and helped a side with that has a person or people against LGBT, pro choice, etc. rights

There was a big difference between the candidates this year and the current/recent rhetoric they use.

So you prefer that voters just hold their nose and willing back a candidate they don't like versus vote their conscience and go for who they actually prefer, even if it's an uphill battle? Regardless, neither the third party candidates nor Clinton won, so if it helps for you to continue to find a scapegoat, by all means. Doesn't change the fact that they didn't have to vote for Clinton any more than you didn't have to vote third party.

But yeah, what's true and what isn't- merely your opinion, not a fact, but then, we all knew that going in. I could debate people for voting for clowns like Clinton or Trump instead of a third party, even when they have a higher chance of winning, but what would be the point in telling people how to vote?

Spoilers: there isn't one.