The Election Night Thread - Part 2

[Donner]

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The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

He's not wrong.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

So my roommate asks what I thought about the election last night. I told him it is what is and only time will tell how this all shakes out. He proceeds to tell me he didn't vote because he didn't like either candidate. I told him he doesn't have the right to complain for the next 4 years. He then says he can complain and the elections are "rigged" anyway. I corrected him and also had to inform him of what down ballot voting means. What blows me away is how he then tells me there are a lot of "movements" right now and the only one he supports is the Dakota Access Pipeline (he plans on going to protest for a few days) but then doesn't even have the slightest clue that his apathy has all but guaranteed that pipeline and many more like it.

 

[DeadPresident]

The average millennial is so jaded with political process and they've fetishized small government in their heads so much they think a little bit of protesting and some Facebook groups is akin to legislation.

Unfortunately a lot of younger voters think we live in a post-bureaucratic society when it's anything but. This election was sunk by naive idealists that can't fathom political pragmatism. As a society it seems we now believe that "standing for something" is more important than affecting on the ground results.

 

[STARMAN]

Too many people do not vote. Not just during a presidential campaign but every year. They don't vote in mid-terms. They don't vote in local elections. They don't know the name of their congressman.

 

[samsnee]

He's not wrong.

He wasn't "wrong" on a lot of things. Then something happened a few years back. I think he just started watching only Fox News.

 

[chaseter]

Trump is a package deal though, it's not a part of him that won the presidency, it's the whole thing. The same way it wouldn't fly if someone said they voted for Clinton's economic policies not her abortion stance, they're both included and people should know that.

So if you voted for Clinton it was because you agreed with her 100%...because it's a package deal.

 

[Greens]

I told him he doesn't have the right to complain for the next 4 years.

Yes, he does. This line of thinking is stupid.

 

[DeadPresident]

So if you voted for Clinton it was because you agreed with her 100%...because it's a package deal.

Agreed with is too strong, but you knew what you were getting, people should understand that part. I'm not saying people agree with everything but they must know what the result will be.

If someone tells me I can push a button to receive $1m but I'll also lose one of my arms I can't push the button and afterward complain I only wanted the one part when I'm missing a leg. Agreeing with and understanding the consequences of something are different, but people are complicit in the result.

This is where leftists failed, they didn't respect the consequences and were just obsessed about what they agreed with. So like the toddlers so many of them are they spat their dummies out when Sanders wasn't nominated and then stood by and allowed Trump an easy path to victory.

 

[DeadPresident]

Yes, he does. This line of thinking is stupid.

Not quite as stupid as the line of thinking that not liking either candidate is a good enough reason not to participate. He could've participated and helped possibly avoid this outcome, he elected not to.

People need to realize voting is about the pragmatic, not this lofty moral sentiment people want to faf over. You get the luxury of a moral vote when you aren't trying to keep a tyrant out of the White House.

 

[Donner]

The issue I have with people who don't vote is that they're essentially giving all of the voting power to a small faction of the population. And it's not like the power of the president is diminished from a lack of voting.

What I mean to say is that it's a slippery slope. If you continue to have less and less people voting, you'll find that candidates with more radical and controversial ideas have a fighting chance of being president because their fan base will vote. Apathy is dangerous. If you want to fix the system, fight it from within. But not voting will just let the scariest (and stupidest) members of society decide your leader.

 

[hellified]

The problem is these people don't understand how much GOP policies have hurt them.

I have heard one supporter saying he wants to go back to the 1960s, where people had unionized jobs in factories and there was no free trade or a rising Chinese super power, but the GOP created the free trade deals and were the ones who destroyed unionzed work.

Some critics have called Hillary a war monger, but ignore that George W. Bush was the driving force behind the Iraq war.

I don't think all Trump supporters are racist, but I have not seen many who were well informed. The GOP can do anything to screw them over and they will still blame the media or Democrats or minorities, they buy into the same lie, over and over again.

Those people who voted for trump in those "flyover states" believe that anything that is positive for someone else automatically means its negative for them. Gay marriage means theres a negative effect on hetero marriage....ANY govt entitlements that helps minorities means its food off theyre table. As far as the charge of racism or voting with racist intent...that IS a factor.

[YT]X_8E3ENrKrQ[/YT]
You start out in 1954 by saying, “Ni**er, ni**er, ni**er.” By 1968 you can’t say “ni**er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Ni**er, ni**er.”

thats one example and one thats STILL happening today.The GOP STILL runs that playbook.

And its evidenced today...

and I TRULY believe the foundation for all of that starts here:


SLAVE LAWS PASSED IN VIRGINIA:

1660 — 1680: Slave Laws Further Restrict Freedom of Blacks and Legalize Different Treatment for Blacks and Whites

1667 - Virginia lawmakers say baptism does not bring freedom to blacks. The statute is passed because some slaves used their status as a Christian in the 1640s and 1650s to argue for their freedom or for freedom for a child. Legislators also encourage slave owners to Christianize their enslaved men, women and children.
1668 - Free black women, like enslaved females over the age of 16, are deemed tithable. The Virginia General Assembly says freedom does not exempt black women from taxation.
1669 - An act about the "casual killing of slaves" says that if a slave dies while resisting his master, the act will not be presumed to have occurred with “prepensed malice.”
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1670 - Free blacks and Native Americans who had been baptized are forbidden to buy Christian servants.
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1672 - It becomes legal to wound or kill an enslaved person who resists arrest. Legislators also deem that the owner of any slave killed as he resisted arrest will receive financial compensation for the loss of an enslaved laborer. Legislators also offer a reward to Indians who capture escaped slaves and return them to a justice of the peace.

that highlighted law in 1670 forbids free blacks and indians from owning WHITE SERVANTS (christian=white) so while free blacks could own other blacks they couldn't own whites by law...

That law effectively makes slavery chattel and also separates whites from nonwhites in the institution...Thus creating a perceived level that even the poorest white person can't fall below. Its the basis for all the race politics played out even today. .

Poor whites TODAY catch as much hell as poor minorities but have historically and consistently chosen their skin color over their class distinction because of that very law. This is why white racist groups consist primarily of poor whites, its also why the easiest way to get poor whites to vote AGAINST their economic best interest is to say it helps minorities but especially blacks and you will see poor whites viscerally angry in opposition to whatever measure is proposed even tho it benefits them too. American history has show that poor whites inevitably and invariably WILL choose their skin color over their class distinction whenever rich whites dangle that race politics carrot in their face and the root of that can be traced directly back to that time period.

YOU SAW IT HAPPEN IN REAL TIME PEOPLE!!!!


You're going to see a take down of Obamacare..a roll back of medicaid and welfare.. all of these things have the face of minorities but ALOT of poor whites use these entitlements too..ALOT of them.. So while they well initially cheer the rollbacks of those thing they WILL feel it when the pain of that sets in for them as well but as you said they aren't going to see it for what it REALLY is..they will still blame the media or Democrats/liberals or minorities.

 

[Kyle]

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The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

So, he basically admitted to not being the people's President and that he didn't get in the democratic way. First-time I've seen a President make a statement like that. I can't help but commend him on at least that.

 

[DeadPresident]

Spoiler

Those people who voted for trump in those "flyover states" believe that anything that is positive for someone else automatically means its negative for them. Gay marriage means theres a negative effect on hetero marriage....ANY govt entitlements that helps minorities means its food off theyre table. As far as the charge of racism or voting with racist intent...that IS a factor.

[YT]X_8E3ENrKrQ[/YT]
You start out in 1954 by saying, “Ni**er, ni**er, ni**er.” By 1968 you can’t say “ni**er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Ni**er, ni**er.”

thats one example and one thats STILL happening today.The GOP STILL runs that playbook.

And its evidenced today...

and I TRULY believe the foundation for all of that starts here:


SLAVE LAWS PASSED IN VIRGINIA:

1660 — 1680: Slave Laws Further Restrict Freedom of Blacks and Legalize Different Treatment for Blacks and Whites

1667 - Virginia lawmakers say baptism does not bring freedom to blacks. The statute is passed because some slaves used their status as a Christian in the 1640s and 1650s to argue for their freedom or for freedom for a child. Legislators also encourage slave owners to Christianize their enslaved men, women and children.
1668 - Free black women, like enslaved females over the age of 16, are deemed tithable. The Virginia General Assembly says freedom does not exempt black women from taxation.
1669 - An act about the "casual killing of slaves" says that if a slave dies while resisting his master, the act will not be presumed to have occurred with “prepensed malice.”
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1670 - Free blacks and Native Americans who had been baptized are forbidden to buy Christian servants.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1672 - It becomes legal to wound or kill an enslaved person who resists arrest. Legislators also deem that the owner of any slave killed as he resisted arrest will receive financial compensation for the loss of an enslaved laborer. Legislators also offer a reward to Indians who capture escaped slaves and return them to a justice of the peace.

that highlighted law in 1670 forbids free blacks and indians from owning WHITE SERVANTS (christian=white) so while free blacks could own other blacks they couldn't own whites by law...

That law effectively makes slavery chattel and also separates whites from nonwhites in the institution...Thus creating a perceived level that even the poorest white person can't fall below. Its the basis for all the race politics played out even today. .

Poor whites TODAY catch as much hell as poor minorities but have historically and consistently chosen their skin color over their class distinction because of that very law. This is why white racist groups consist primarily of poor whites, its also why the easiest way to get poor whites to vote AGAINST their economic best interest is to say it helps minorities but especially blacks and you will see poor whites viscerally angry in opposition to whatever measure is proposed even tho it benefits them too. American history has show that poor whites inevitably and invariably WILL choose their skin color over their class distinction whenever rich whites dangle that race politics carrot in their face and the root of that can be traced directly back to that time period.

YOU SAW IT HAPPEN IN REAL TIME PEOPLE!!!!


You're going to see a take down of Obamacare..a roll back of medicaid and welfare.. all of these things have the face of minorities but ALOT of poor whites use these entitlements too..ALOT of them.. So while they well initially cheer the rollbacks of those thing they WILL feel it when the pain of that sets in for them as well but as you said they aren't going to see it for what it REALLY is..they will still blame the media or Democrats/liberals or minorities.

Your desire to make race the root cause for all social ills in the US. is really kind of pathetic.

 

[samsnee]

So, he basically admitted to not being the people's President and that he didn't get in the democratic way. First-time I've seen a President make a statement like that. I can't help but commend him on at least that.

He posted that in 2012, not this week.

He also said this in 2012 after Newton. I doubt he would say it today.

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President Obama spoke for me and every American in his remarks in #Newtown Connecticut.

 

[BatLobster]

So, he basically admitted to not being the people's President and that he didn't get in the democratic way. First-time I've seen a President make a statement like that. I can't help but commend him on at least that.

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but he said that 2 days before the election when he clearly thought he was going to lose. So the unintentional irony of that statement could not be thicker.

 

[Kyle]

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but he said that 2 days before the election when he clearly thought he was going to lose. So the unintentional irony of that statement could not be thicker.

Actually said that in 2012, or many things in 2012. Thought the guy had balls to admit it for a second before I checked the news.

 

[SuperT]

Your desire to make race the root cause for all social ills in the US. is really kind of pathetic.

I mean, it is. Racism/upholding white supremacy, especially with white males, has been a root cause of a good majority of social ills not only in our country but the world. White male fragility has caused us to be in the mess we're in today.

 

[NHawk19]

I mean, it is. Racism/upholding white supremacy, especially with white males, has been a root cause of a good majority of social ills not only in our country but the world. White male fragility has caused us to be in the mess we're in today.

Sure I mean it's not like Hillary endorsed or praised racists . . . .

Oh wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryweuBVJMEA

 

[MadVillainy]

Sure I mean it's not like Hillary endorsed or praised racists . . . .

Oh wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryweuBVJMEA

Pretty sure you just got proven why that's bs in another thread

 

[Kyle]

For anyone wondering, we just laid out the REAL story concerning the above in the Trump thread. In short, Byrd denounced the KKK, apologized, and spent his life trying to make up for it and even then it weighed on his conscious.

 

[DeadPresident]

I mean, it is. Racism/upholding white supremacy, especially with white males, has been a root cause of a good majority of social ills not only in our country but the world. White male fragility has caused us to be in the mess we're in today.

Yeah, in your little bubble of social causality based on zero evidence and just the murmurings of critical race theorists. The "White problem" is the easiest cop out for minorities because it means that no agency is required on their part - once an "enemy" is removed some kind of utopia just springs into existence. This regressive left rhetoric is also precisely why droves came out to support Trump. Tell reasonable whites they're the exclusive problem enough times and you back them into a corner where people like Trump start looking like good choices. But, keep going man, see how this angle works or for you. If you keep attacking identity instead of conduct you'll end up nowhere.

It's trendy to say those things now, and it got so trendy white supremacists crawled out of the woodwork. Don't complain when people start saying "Black male laziness is to blame for the black community's lack of prosperity". If you can make false, inane statements based on hearsay surely everyone else can too?

White male fragility? Try just male fragility if you want a vaguely plausible argument.

 

[hellified]

Your desire to make race the root cause for all social ills in the US. is really kind of pathetic.

its kind of pathetic that race is the root for how america got built..trying to ignore american history because it makes you feel bad is pathetic.

 

[hellified]

Yeah, in your little bubble of social causality based on zero evidence and just the murmurings of critical race theorists. The "White problem" is the easiest cop out for minorities because it means that no agency is required on their part - once an "enemy" is removed some kind of utopia just springs into existence. This regressive left rhetoric is also precisely why droves came out to support Trump. Tell reasonable whites they're the exclusive problem enough times and you back them into a corner where people like Trump start looking like good choices. But, keep going man, see how this angle works or for you. If you keep attacking identity instead of conduct you'll end up nowhere.

are you kidding me? Its muslims fault its mexicans fault, its gays fault, its blacks fault, its midgets fault.

When have poor and working class whites EVER taken responsibility for their condition?? Its ALWAYS been someone else's fault..hell american history is replete with examples of riots and clashes based on this.

And trump tapped into that anger and finger pointing directly. Thats why he's president now...because those people came out in DROVES for him based on his rhetoric. When the kkk endorsed him you know it wasn't because he promoted an inclusive feel good platform.

"It's trendy to say those things now, and it got so trendy white supremacists crawled out of the woodwork. Don't complain when people start saying "Black male laziness is to blame for the black community's lack of prosperity". If you can make false, inane statements based on hearsay surely everyone else can too?

White male fragility? Try just male fragility if you want a vaguely plausible argument.

START SAYING??? START SAYING??

 

[Legendver2]

So, he basically admitted to not being the people's President and that he didn't get in the democratic way. First-time I've seen a President make a statement like that. I can't help but commend him on at least that.

It's irrelevant really. Post is from ages ago, and his voters have a memory span of a week.

 

[Erzengel]

College kids had their classes canceled and pizza ordered to help them cope with the election results?