The Dark Knight Rises The End

[J.Howlett]

herolee,

Absolutely. X-Men got screwed (good comeback with First Class to make a quasi-trilogy with First Class, X-Men, and X2). Spider-Man got screwed. Blade got screwed. Iron Man's getting screwed. Fantastic Four got screwed, etc., etc.

Nolan's making sure Batman doesn't get screwed....

 

[Herolee10]

And honestly, whether Bruce remains batman or not by the end of the series, I personally want him to be alive and well by the end of things.

I really wouldn't mind if THIS version was allowed to have somewhat of a peaceful life with what he has left by the end of things; a luxury that the character has never been given in any other media portrayals.

I mean I found the DCU/Batman Beyond version of bruce Wayne's ultimate fate, where he lives alone for the rest of his life and only has a son through genetic manipulation that he isn't able to speak to as a son as such a depressing outcome..it worked for the series, but it was still depressing.

I'd like to think that someday, when all is said and done, Bruce Wayne will finally be able to find the peace and life that he's been looking for since the murder of his parents and I think that the series has been building up to that point.

 

[J.Howlett]

And honestly, whether Bruce remains batman or not by the end of the series, I personally want him to be alive and well by the end of things.

I really wouldn't mind if THIS version was allowed to have somewhat of a peaceful life with what he has left by the end of things; a luxury that the character has never been given in any other media portrayals.

I mean I found the DCU/Batman Beyond version of bruce Wayne's ultimate fate, where he lives alone for the rest of his life and only has a son through genetic manipulation that he isn't able to speak to as a son as such a depressing outcome..it worked for the series, but it was still depressing.

I'd like to think that someday, when all is said and done, Bruce Wayne will finally be able to find the peace and life that he's been looking for since the murder of his parents and I think that the series has been building up to that point.

Absolutely, yes. At some point, someone's has to break the cycle of the Batman mythos. There's absolutely nothing wrong with one interpretation of the mythos and the character having him have a nice and peaceful epilogue at the end of it all.

It feels refreshing and it's one of the reasons why I can't read comics. Endings don't mean anything in comics.

 

[Avengers-Report]

But Nolan thinks the Riddler is just a watered down Joker.

No, just too similar to use as a main villain in his third movie.

 

[Syncope]

He's spent the last eight-years of his life making Batman movies and this is his way of saying "enough is enough". Let's be honest, he's probably grown a bit bored of making Batman movies now.

 

[Herolee10]

He's spent the last eight-years of his life making Batman movies and this is his way of saying "enough is enough". Let's be honest, he's probably grown a bit bored of making Batman movies now.

To be honest, I don't think it's about him so much being bored with Batman movies, but wanting to finish something that he started on the best note possible.

From what I read, he has gone on the record to say prior before committing to the third film that he wouldn't return unless he had a good story to tell.

 

[J.Howlett]

Exactly. It was about the story. I know he and Goyer had trouble cracking it during the process but for Nolan, it was all about the story...bringing closure.

I'm sure a lot of his hesitation to return and figure out the story had to do with Ledger's death. We all know that the third film, as supposedly conceived, was to be drastically different than what we're getting now.

I think, just based on the prologue and the trailer, he's made it work.

Still, Rises (even with it having a definitive ending to the mythos of this interpretation) will always have a "what if" feel to it.

 

[Syncope]

To be honest, I don't think it's about him so much being bored with Batman movies, but wanting to finish something that he started on the best note possible.

From what I read, he has gone on the record to say prior before committing to the third film that he wouldn't return unless he had a good story to tell.

I don't doubt that either.

 

[jmc]

If he was bored with the character he wouldn't have come back.

 

[Mariano]

I see it this way, Nolan is a storyteller (as a real director should be). This guys wanted to tell a story about Batman.

And as as good a story can be, you cant beat the fact that theres no best way than having 3 acts. We already watched the begining of his story, we already watched the further development of the story, and now we will see the final act... the end of it.

Its pretty clever, and in the hands of an artist like Nolan this is a good thing. Nolan is not doing sequels just for the sake of it, he made them to tell a story.

Finishing this on a high note is great, honest and a demostration that he CARES about it.

 

[J.Howlett]

i see it this way, nolan is a storyteller (as a real director should be). This guys wanted to tell a story about batman.

And as as good a story can be, you cant beat the fact that theres no best way to have 3 acts. We already watched the begining of his story, we already watched the further development of the story, and now we will see the final act... The end of it.

Its pretty clever, and in the hands of an artist like nolan this is a good thing. Nolan is not doing sequels just for the sake of it, he made them to tell a story.

Finishing this on a high note is great, honest and a demostration that he cares about it.

+ 1.

 

[jmc]

Agreed; and we've never had a DC Franchise that's had a director stay on for Three films... Donner made it past one really (didn't finish filming Superman 2), Burton and Joel never got past 2, and we all know about GL.lol

I'm glad for once that a successful superhero franchise will finally be allowed to keep its integrity and quality and end on a note where people won't have to think:

"Sigh, they should have ended it at Batman #....."

lol

It says a lot about WB that they're willing to let the series end on such a note. For all the crap they get (sometimes deservedly) you have to tip your hat to them for actually having the balls to forgo potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in continuing this series and having to start the character from scratch. I always thought Inception was WB big thank you to Nolan for all the work he'd done with Batman, but I actually think Rises is because they are going to preserve his Batman series and not let anyone screw with it. They didn't have to, and I'm sure many meetings took place where execs were feverishly debating whether to allow it, but ultimately I think they probably realized that Chris has earned it, on top of that they probably realized they could generate a lot more publicity by declaring this is the final Batman film in the series as oppose to the next Batman film in the series, and as history has shown the final part to a story generates a lot more attention. It's rarely done in regular franchises, and is completely unheard of for a superhero franchise. Kudos to WB I say.

 

[Mariano]

It says a lot about WB that they're willing to let the series end on such a note. For all the crap they get (sometimes deservedly) you have to tip your hat to them for actually having the balls to forgo potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in continuing this series and having to start the character from scratch. I always thought Inception was WB big thank you to Nolan for all the work he'd done with Batman, but I actually think Rises is because they are going to preserve his Batman series and not let anyone screw with it. They didn't have to, and I'm sure many meetings took place where execs were feverishly debating whether to allow it, but ultimately I think they probably realized that Chris has earned it, on top of that they probably realized they could generate a lot more publicity by declaring this is the final Batman film in the series as oppose to the next Batman film in the series, and as history has shown the final part to a story generates a lot more attention. It's rarely done in regular franchises, and is completely unheard of for a superhero franchise. Kudos to WB I say.

Totally agree with you, but its no brainer that a new batman film will be made in the next 2 years. Now whether we like it or not, they are entitle to bring a new vision, or try to follow what nolan left (the nolanverse). Which will be a rape in every aspect.

Of course without the original cast, director and rest of the crew, its almost impossible to do that. But never say never in hollywood.

 

[jmc]

Don't know about 2 years, I think Superman is going to determine when Batman comes back to the screen.

 

[Mariano]

My bad, i said 2 years just as reference. I wanted to say that, sooner than later we will see a new bats movie.

And yes, now that you mention, Supes is the measure for whats next for batman.

I dont know if you guys think the same way, but probably the next batman will be to DC what Ironman 1 was to Marvel. The core of a new crossmovies universe.

 

[Syncope]

It's going to be an amazing ending, folks. I can feel it. Nolan's got a trick up his sleeve.

 

[DACrowe]

Don't know about 2 years, I think Superman is going to determine when Batman comes back to the screen.

Interesting how so? You mean if MOS is a hit, they'll forego rebooting Batman for many years? Or if Superman is a hit, they'll rush to get a new Batman so as to have their World's Finest/Justice League Unlimited film? Interesting point.

 

[DACrowe]

Don't know about 2 years, I think Superman is going to determine when Batman comes back to the screen.

Interesting how so? You mean if MOS is a hit, they'll forego rebooting Batman for many years? Or if Superman is a hit, they'll rush to get a new Batman so as to have their World's Finest/Justice League Unlimited film? Interesting point.

 

[zmystico]

And honestly, whether Bruce remains batman or not by the end of the series, I personally want him to be alive and well by the end of things.

I really wouldn't mind if THIS version was allowed to have somewhat of a peaceful life with what he has left by the end of things; a luxury that the character has never been given in any other media portrayals.

I mean I found the DCU/Batman Beyond version of bruce Wayne's ultimate fate, where he lives alone for the rest of his life and only has a son through genetic manipulation that he isn't able to speak to as a son as such a depressing outcome..it worked for the series, but it was still depressing.

I'd like to think that someday, when all is said and done, Bruce Wayne will finally be able to find the peace and life that he's been looking for since the murder of his parents and I think that the series has been building up to that point.

I think I could like this ending, it would prove Rachael wrong (saying there would never be a day Bruce didn't need Batman), and it would really be different. Maybe after he defeats Bane he could settle down with Selena, maybe he can actually have some closure to his past and be able to move on and forward...the life his parents truly wanted him to have.

 

[Dr Zaius]

Nolan is saving us from a Batman and Robin scenario. Batman either dies in the third installment (if that is what happens) or he lives long enough to see the bat costume get nipples.

 

[jmc]

Interesting how so? You mean if MOS is a hit, they'll forego rebooting Batman for many years? Or if Superman is a hit, they'll rush to get a new Batman so as to have their World's Finest/Justice League Unlimited film? Interesting point.

What I'm saying is if MOS fails the new Batman will be rushed into production because they don't have any other cash cow, if MOS succeeds they may give Batman a rest for a while because they suddenly have a new cash cow. So yeah, I think when Batman comes back on screen is going to be determined by Superman.

 

[CJ]

Batman doesn't DIE, because he's the effin' BATMAN.

 

[AnneFan]

Batman doesn't DIE, because he's the effin' BATMAN.

I now think his identity will become public knowledge, though. As rag puts it, the reverse Harvey Dent effect.

 

[GregComicFan]

Perhaps, but given everything that we've seen and heard about TDKR, honestly, how would they be able to top all of that without making a film that felt repetitive?

I mean imho, the goal in any franchise should be to make the next film even bigger and better than the last one...with each entry to the franchise having its special place and mark... and honestly, given what we've seen of Bane so far, could the likes of Penguin and Riddler be presented in a way that they could provide a threat to Gotham BIGGER than the villains that we've seen and gotten thus far?

I think with franchises such as Star Wars and Harry Potter, the reason why they were able to to make so many successful films is because the creators had a beginning and end point that they knew that they had to reach by, and that each franchise had ONE MAIN Villain that the series was building up to see their eventual defeat (Voldermort and Emperor Palpatine)

I see your point and I agree, however, I think it's worth mentioning that the 'destruction of Gotham City' is not a necessity for every Batman story. Some Batman villains DON'T seek out the destruction of the city.

I think a film placed in-between TDK and TDKR could just show Batman taking on Riddler, or Penguin, or a realistically done Croc or Freeze and just show Batman being an effective superhero in Gotham City. Riddler could just be out for financial gain (perhaps, in a way, destroying Gotham City by stealing from it). Penguin could try to become the new king of the criminal underworld. Harvey Bullock could be introduced since in-between TDK and TDKR Batman would be a wanted criminal... and we could see Batman as a detective more.

Until I see TDKR, I think the 8 year gap provides a large "what if" and "what was Batman doing in Gotham for 8 years... what villains did he face" situation.

 

[wikum]

why do you think nolan has made this decision to end it after 3 movies?

because he's obviously found a way to end batman's story, and everything after 3 movies would almost definitely be going down hill. quit while you're ahead.

ideally, i would've liked to have seen a batman trilogy filmed back to back like lotr. the main reasoning for this would be so it felt like more of a seamless trilogy. the gotham in bb and tdk seem like they are in slightly different places. then you had the rachel dawes problem. filming a back to back trilogy, you can tell a story over three films, rather than having to tie up the majority of important loose ends in each film like nolan has had to do in both of the previous films. characters like flass, falcone, maroni, two face and scarecrow could've been developed that little bit more if they had written a three film story. i think they planned this with tdk, then made some changes and turned two films worth of content into one. in a sad way, with the untimely death of ledger, it was fortunate that they decided to go this route.

and do you feel you seen everything you could want from nolans batman?

pretty much yes. i want to actually see a true ending, not the batman fights crime forever and rides off into the sunset scenario that the majority want. let's do something that hasn't been done before, just this once.

and how would you feel if they killed batman off?

do i think nolan has got the balls to do it? yes.

do i think he will? no.

would i mind if he did? not if it works within the context of the film.

how do i think it will end? bane will die. bruce will not continue as batman, due to either injury, arrest, death or retirement. in my opinion, josh blake is somehow key to the ending. i'm unsure as to whether he becomes the new commisioner, or even the new batman, but for levitt to be playing such an unknown quantity makes me think his role in this film is pivotal.