The Expendables 2

[The Riddler]

i don't have a problem with pg-13; i just have a problem with norris.

never cared for the dude.

 

[Pink Ranger]

As a tribute to Sly, here's one of my most favorite SNL skits that I finally found online:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5148538/stallone_on_snl_1997_car_accident_skit/

 

[Quasimod0]

No problem with pg13. The action will still be great. And the actors are still there. So the whole experience is still intact, and it will probably make more money

 

[steintym]

Give me an R rated, 80's action bloodbath. I want vulgar language and bodies blowing up, just like in the good old days.

 

[Quasimod0]

A movie doesn't lose appeal for me based on lack of foul language

 

[Balthus Dire]

IT has been awhile, but I am pretty sure there is only one real "hardcore" scene, and that is the shotgun one.

Can you give me the other scenes that would have had to have been cut out as opposed to simply trimmed? Because I can't think of many if any at all.

By the way, don't really feel like there are any "awesome" scenes in the first one.

How about any one of Statham's brutal knife kills? Or Jet Li's brutal neck snaps and bone breaks? Expendables doesn't necessarily have the extreme violence of "Rambo" but it still has some pretty violent scenes, all of which would have to be watered down or removed for a PG-13 rating.

Also, in regards to the swearing, I also don't think the movie has to be full of swearing to be good or anything like that. But, the PG-13 rating isn't just for swearing...it's for violence, sexuality, etc. as well. So it's not like Sly is just cutting out a few poopy words to get a lower rating, which is why some are worried.

With a PG-13 rating, we wouldn't have had Willis' gem to Arnold and Sly: "You guys aren't gonna start suckin' each other's ***** are ya?" Which kinda sucks for EX2 after Sly was saying they have a lot of great dialogue where they take jabs at one another.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Give me an R rated, 80's action bloodbath. I want vulgar language and bodies blowing up, just like in the good old days.

this

DAMN YOU NORRIS!!

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Sux, I hate PG-13 so called action movies of today. The fights are going to end up looking like a batman movie where you see almost nothing.

 

[Marvolo]

How about any one of Statham's brutal knife kills? Or Jet Li's brutal neck snaps and bone breaks? Expendables doesn't necessarily have the extreme violence of "Rambo" but it still has some pretty violent scenes, all of which would have to be watered down or removed for a PG-13 rating.

Also, in regards to the swearing, I also don't think the movie has to be full of swearing to be good or anything like that. But, the PG-13 rating isn't just for swearing...it's for violence, sexuality, etc. as well. So it's not like Sly is just cutting out a few poopy words to get a lower rating, which is why some are worried.

With a PG-13 rating, we wouldn't have had Willis' gem to Arnold and Sly: "You guys aren't gonna start suckin' each other's ***** are ya?" Which kinda sucks for EX2 after Sly was saying they have a lot of great dialogue where they take jabs at one another.

This ^! People don't realize just how much will be lost by it being PG-13.

And I don't want to come off as a dick but Darth Skywalker what are you even doing in this thread? You didn't like the first one at all, and you don't seem to grasp what the issue is with this. You also don't understand why we are upset even tho we keep telling you why. Just curious.

 

[Blade X]

How about any one of Statham's brutal knife kills? Or Jet Li's brutal neck snaps and bone breaks? Expendables doesn't necessarily have the extreme violence of "Rambo" but it still has some pretty violent scenes, all of which would have to be watered down or removed for a PG-13 rating.

People have gotten stabbed and had their necks broken in PG-13 movies. Heck, people have even been decapitated in PG-13 movies. It's not the type of act of violence that earns the movie an R rating, but how bloody and gory that act of violence is.

Also, in regards to the swearing, I also don't think the movie has to be full of swearing to be good or anything like that. But, the PG-13 rating isn't just for swearing...it's for violence, sexuality, etc. as well. So it's not like Sly is just cutting out a few poopy words to get a lower rating, which is why some are worried.

There was no sex or nudity in the first EXPENDABLES movie.

With a PG-13 rating, we wouldn't have had Willis' gem to Arnold and Sly: "You guys aren't gonna start suckin' each other's ***** are ya?" Which kinda sucks for EX2 after Sly was saying they have a lot of great dialogue where they take jabs at one another.

In the first X-MEN movie Wolverine said to Cyclops "You're a d***". in X3 ,Kitty Pryde called Juggernaut a "d***head". So I think it's safe to say that line would have been said in a movie with a PG-13 rating.

 

[Bruce Malone]

The win/loss ratio of making it pg-13 doesn't make that much sense to me. Yes there is the potential for more money but there is also the risk of alienating fans of the 1st film. Anytime a franchise goes from r to pg-13 there's a big risk look at the track record.

If they kept it at r however there was almost certainly going to be profit, just the fact of building off the surprise hit of the last film and adding more fan favorite actors, more arnold, willis screen time etc.

Also the writing was probably on the wall as soon as norris was cast, he's a big conservative christian and right off the bat likely wouldn't agree to an r rated film.

 

[The Squirrel]

A movie doesn't lose appeal for me based on lack of foul language

That appeal actually goes up for me. t:

Plus I enjoy seeing people grumble about something not being R rated.

 

[Terminator]

A movie doesn't lose appeal for me based on lack of foul language

It should when it's Expendables. If there's any movie that should have cursing and the 3Bs - blood, boobies, and bullets, it's this.

 

[Balthus Dire]

People have gotten stabbed and had their necks broken in PG-13 movies. Heck, people have even been decapitated in PG-13 movies. It's not the type of act of violence that earns the movie an R rating, but how bloody and gory that act of violence is.

Exactly...and in the first movie, when Statham would shove his knives into people's throats, blood would come-a-squirtin'. Granted, PG-13 can get away with quite a bit these days, but they clearly couldn't get away with something like the shotgun scene, which was epic as hell.

There was no sex or nudity in the first EXPENDABLES movie.

I never said there was...I was outlining what you can and can't get away with using a PG-13 rating as opposed to an R.

In the first X-MEN movie Wolverine said to Cyclops "You're a d***". in X3 ,Kitty Pryde called Juggernaut a "d***head". So I think it's safe to say that line would have been said in a movie with a PG-13 rating.

Completely disagree here. It's not about the word but how the word is used. Calling someone a dick is a lot different than making crude reference to oral sex. The crude reference is more awesome awesome and would more than likely have been cut.

To those who defend Die Hard 4 and like to compare the possibilities of EX2 being as "awesome" with a PG-13 as DH4 apparently was, John McLane didn't even get to say his catch phrase because of the rating. It was muffled by a gunshot. If you think that's cool, all the power to you. I think it's beyond stupid. Not saying EX2 will suffer the same level of neutering, just saying I certainly hope it doesn't.

 

[Quasimod0]

That appeal actually goes up for me. t:

Plus I enjoy seeing people grumble about something not being R rated.

Haha, same here. The first one couldve been pg 13 with a few things cut out, and it would have been almost the same movie. This one will be great

 

[Marvolo]

The first didn't need to be PG-13.
It irks me that people are ok with blood being removed from violence. Movies that show blood and gore are the movies that shpw the consequences of violence. People get shot there is blood, someone gets stabbed there is blood, etc. If you can't handle the blood you shouldn't be watching films with violence.

 

[steintym]

A movie doesn't lose appeal for me based on lack of foul language

That alone doesn't necessarily bother me, but ...If there's a lack of foul language, the elimination of blood and watered down violence all for the sake of a PG13 rating, then a movie will lose appeal to me.

 

[steintym]

In the first X-MEN movie Wolverine said to Cyclops "You're a d***". in X3 ,Kitty Pryde called Juggernaut a "d***head". So I think it's safe to say that line would have been said in a movie with a PG-13 rating.

I disagree with your last point. Rating boards tend differentiate between calling someone a d*** as an insult and referring to someone's d*** as in their private parts.



Edit: just saw Balthus made this point.

 

[zeptron]

To those who defend Die Hard 4 and like to compare the possibilities of EX2 being as "awesome" with a PG-13 as DH4 apparently was, John McLane didn't even get to say his catch phrase because of the rating. It was muffled by a gunshot. If you think that's cool, all the power to you. I think it's beyond stupid. Not saying EX2 will suffer the same level of neutering, just saying I certainly hope it doesn't.

This. I mean the whole R rating not being needed only applies to certain movies. Did Taken need an R rating? No. But movies like Rambo 4 did. Anyone honestly think that would have been good with a PG-13 rating?

Movies like Die Hard needed an R for one big reason: swearing like a sailor is a major part of Mcclane's character. And in all likelyhood a grumpy, aging McClain would be cursing even more.

 

[steintym]

I also don't like the idea of watering down an established franchise. Die Hard is the perfect example. Although I liked it enough, the last Die Hard WAS different if for nothing else than the catchphrase.

Although not yet a "franchise" I don't want a PG13 Expendables after what was established with the first. If anything I want them to push the boundaries further.


More violence, more blood, more swearing, bring on the nudity, I say!!!

 

[The Squirrel]

That alone doesn't necessarily bother me, but ...If there's a lack of foul language, the elimination of blood and watered down violence all for the sake of a PG13 rating, then a movie will lose appeal to me.

Elimination of what blood? All the poor quality CGI blood the first one had? They're probably just cutting that out of the budget.

 

[steintym]

I was speaking in general. Quasimod0 mentioned a movie doesn't lose appeal by eliminating foul language. I was just pointing out that if a movie combines eliminating foul language, eliminates blood and waters down the violence the appeal might be less for me.

 

[Kane52630]

That appeal actually goes up for me. t:

Plus I enjoy seeing people grumble about something not being R rated.

same lol

Elimination of what blood? All the poor quality CGI blood the first one had? They're probably just cutting that out of the budget.

Exactly, I'm so against CG blood for action films like these so it's a positive for me. Like I said earlier, i'm sure the unrated version that comes out will have everything you guys want.

 

[Punisher Rising]

A friend of mine who is a hardcore Stallone fan just sent me a link to this one:



Hilarious.

We already have a contender for funniest image of 2012.

I'll be still giving the movie a chance, but it's a huge bummer about the PG-13. Nobody is saying things like violence, gore and swearing make a movie good, but the bottom line is those were major staples of 80s and early 90s Action movies that went all-out with their content and didn't hold back. Having an ensemble Action film like this be neutered for the sake of reaching a wider audience is just a dumb move to me.

Although I have to say this in Norris' defense, much as I don't care for him, it seems like he's being scapegoated as the cause of the PG-13, because from what I'm gathering it seems like the movie was designed by the studio with a PG-13 in mind, anyway. Which itself could've been why Norris signed on. Either way, it's absurd.

 

[Balthus Dire]

I'm starting to think that Norris' comment was probably in reference to his own dialogue specifically rather than everyone else. I mean, I can't imagine Sly/the studio would change the entire script just to get Norris on board. A few of Norris' own lines, however...not so big of a deal.