The FFINO ZONE - Part 3

[Tacit Ronin]

When you want to talk about the worst CBMs in the genre, a bulk of their filmography belongs on that list.

More like half. The other half belongs to WB.

 

[Tymminator]

Anyone beside me love the character of Thundra? I would love to see her pop up in a future F4 film, at first as a member of the Frightful Four and the eventually as an ally.

 

[RAE072]

Boycotting every Fox film from here on out is like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Just so we are clear...

Fox screwed up a F4 film...so to try to punish them you are going to punish yourself by not going to see any Fox film no matter how good certain of their films are. Sorry, but this sort of thing is just stupid. Itd be like denying yourself filet mignons for the rest of your life because you got a bad sirloin one time. The only person losing in that scenario is yourself.

Punish themselves? Denying themselves?

FOX isn't the only studio making movies. FOX isn't even the only studio making comic book movies.

The folks here who want to boycott FOX in general could do so their entire lives and still see hundreds+ of movies and do just fine.

So no, they're not really losing in this scenario.

 

[SSJ4_Haruhi]

Wow, Fox must REALLY know how much people hate this film.

Usually on a Facebook page, you can like comments without liking the actual page, but now on the Fantastic Four facebook page, you have to like their page to like any negative comments or EVEN comment.

https://www.facebook.com/FantasticFourMovieUK?fref=ts

 

[TeeKay]

I agree strongly with this. Quite frankly, X-Men as a franchise-not as a film suffers from Singer as the lead voice.

It's the same theme over and over. Given that Singer's own relationship with the IP it hits you over the head again and again with the metaphor.

The movies are all pretty much the same thing.

I do agree. I still think X-2 and First class are great cbms though. The thing that I'm really tired of is the over use of Magneto and Wolverine.

For all the talk of MCU movies all being the same, show me the differences in the X-films.

 

[chamber-music]

Yeah its become very formulaic and predictable. They need to move on from Magneto. He's a great villain no doubt. But him being a villain for all the X-Men films have become tiresome. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned against the X-Men at the end of Apocalypse.

I'm ready for an X-Men movie that doesn't involve Wolverine, Mystique and Magneto.

 

[RAE072]

I'm ready for an X-Men movie that doesn't involve Wolverine

Almost there.

Mystique and Magneto.

FOX will undoubtedly pour dump trucks worth of money at both Lawrence's and Fassbender's feet to get them to stay so you're going to be waiting a long time.

Spoiler

Lawrence has said she's going to leave(but probably can be convinced to stay with enough money) and Fassbender said he'd like to play Magneto forever(if they give him enough money).

Now that McKellen, Stewart, and Jackman are gone or on the way out, FOX needs new hugely popular and bankable mainstays.

That's Lawrence and Fassbender(and McAvoy but you didn't mention him).

As well, the guy who undoubtedly has made FOX's X-Franchise so popular and successful despite FOX itself, Singer, is ALSO leaving. And Singer-less X-Men has ranged from okay to awful.

They got very lucky with Vaughn, limping the X-Franchise back from an almost grave after X3 and X-Men Origins with First Class, but even that movie was just decent. Didn't see Wolverine but it seems like it was also just decent to okay, based on reactions to it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Wow did you really just equate putting out a bad movie to child molestation?

No

I was explaining that I have a visceral reaction in both cases. I didn't say they were equal.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Boycotting a single director because he may have raped children is one thing. Boycotting an enire production studio means you are boycotting the hard work of every single director, producer, cinematographer, script writer, editor etc and also boycotting the theaters that show those movies and a host of other people's work. All because of a single bad film that was the result of a single director and single group at Fox. Thats a massive disproportionate overreaction.

I'm not 'boycotting' anything, and I thought I had made that clear. Seeing a film released by the a**holes that have been insulting me and screwing up the FF for the past 10 years will not give me pleasure so I won't do it.

Some people don't like Tom Cruise, so they don't see films he's in. Those people don't owe anything to the director, producer, cinematographer, script-writer, editor etc. Your premise is ridiculous. Films aren't charities. I'll see whatever damn films I want to see. I'm not going to see a film I won't enjoy out of some sense of pity for theater owners and the people who made it.

This was a thread that was specifically set up by the mods so that people like me could vent. If you don't understand the emotional reaction people like I have (which I have explained at length in the past), maybe you shouldn't be posting here.

 

[Dark Raven]

Here's what the mysterious deleted Fantastic Four scene was supposed to be...

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/1...supposed-clobber-deleted-fantastic-four-scene

Critics have complained that the movie lacks action, and sources close to the project confirm that there was supposed to be a major fight sequence right in between.

That peculiar time-jump was always a part of the plan, and sources close to Trank say his idea was to race out of that disturbing accident scene and throw the audience into a major action sequence. Only after that would he play catch-up – explaining that the three were now unofficial super-soldiers working on behalf of the U.S. of A.

What we would have seen after that smash-cut to black was this:

Spoiler

A Chechen rebel camp in the wee hours of the night. There’s no explanation for where we are, but there are soldiers speaking a foreign language, and they are loading up some heavy-duty weaponry.

Crews are filling truck beds with the gear, preparing to mobilize – then a siren goes off. Everyone freezes, and one by one they turn their faces to the sky. A stealth bomber whispers by overhead, and a large object falls from it, streaking through the air at great speed.

The object – a bomb, a missile? – collides with the earth in the center of the camp, sending debris is all directions. The soldiers take cover, then tentatively emerge and walk toward the crater, where there is a giant pile of orange boulders.

Slowly, the rocks begin to move on their own, becoming arms, legs, a torso, a head …

This rock-figure lumbers out of the smoke, and the soldiers level their weapons – then open fire.

As The Thing lurches into view, bullets spark and ping off his impenetrable exterior.

Rather than some elegant, balletic action sequence, The Thing moves slowly and deliberately. He’s in no hurry. The storytelling goal was to show the futility of firepower against him as he casually demolishes the terrorists. It’s a blue-collar kind of heroism.

When it becomes clear this rock-beast cannot be stopped, the surviving Chechen rebels make a run for it – and that’s when a hail of gunfire finishes them off.

From the shadows of the surrounding forest, a team of Navy SEALS emerge with their guns drawn and smoking. The cavalry has arrived, but the enemy has already been subdued.

The film would then have shifted to a bird’s-eye view of the camp, an aerial shot showing waves of American soldiers flooding in to secure the base. Just when it appears the American soldiers may be ready to clash with the rock monster, The Thing gives them a solemn nod, and they clear a path. He lumbers past them, almost sadly, a heartsick warrior. Then he boards a large helicopter and is lifted away.

Only then does the movie cut to that conference room, where Tim Blake Nelson’s Dr. Allen is crowing to his military overlords about how this mutated team of scientists is helping do the heavy lifting for America’s rank-and-file soldiers.

You can see remnants of the deleted scene at the end of this trailer, and a shot of The Thing getting machine-gunned at 2:09.

Most of EW’s sources agree, with tiny variations, that this scene is what audiences were meant to see. But the reason it was only in the trailer, and not the finished film, is where opinions diverge.

Those close to Fox say Trank was indecisive, and couldn’t figure out if he needed the scene, going back and forth before finally deciding it wasn’t necessary. They cite it as another example of a director out-of-control, unsure of what he wants or how to execute it.

Others close to Trank say the filmmaker always wanted the sequence, but was forced to cut it when the studio pared back the budget at the start of production. They say Trank created a detailed previsualization of the scene – essentially, an animated version of what it should look like – that allows digital artists to begin creating effects.

Late in production, when Fox executives realized they had a comic-book movie in dire need of action, sources sympathetic to Trank say they agreed to finance the scene – but Trank was not allowed to participate in the filming. As a result, the crew returned with footage shot in documentary hand-held style – which didn’t match the previsualization, or the planned digital effects, and also clashed with the visual style of the rest of the movie.

At that point, according to sources close to Trank, the exasperated director chose to kill the scene entirely.

It’s impossible to tell who’s at fault, but there’s no denying the scene would have delivered a visceral jolt just as the movie’s pace was beginning to flag.

As for the trailer, someone decided the scene was good enough to sell the movie, but not good enough to make the final cut.

Sounds like this could've been one of the found footage elements which ended up getting scrapped.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here's what the mysterious deleted Fantastic Four scene was supposed to be...

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/1...supposed-clobber-deleted-fantastic-four-scene



Sounds like this could've been one of the found footage elements which ended up getting scrapped.

Sounds like it would have made more 'action' but I don't think it would have made the film particularly 'better'. It wouldn't be the kind of action that would have crowds rooting for anything. It sounds dreary, depressing and lifeless like the rest of the film.

And I strongly suspect it was all about budget. If Trank was indecisive, it was probably because the studio was breathing down his neck saying: "This film is costing too much. What are you going to cut to keep the cost down?"

So if anything, it was probably more of an indecisiveness regarding cost/benefit than indecisiveness regarding if he wanted the scene if he could have it for free.

And I also suspect this was just part of it. The ending probably would have had more action and made more sense if Fox had been willing to pay to render it.

It still would have been a bad, dreary, flat, lifeless film, but there would have been more explosions.

 

[Flint Marko]

My thoughts exactly. Under Trank the film probably wouldn't have been any good, but Fox's meddling is what sunk it like a lead balloon.

 

[superion]

Your perspective is off because you're presuming seeing a film put out by these a**holes would be a pleasurable experience.

I wouldn't derive any pleasure knowing I was putting money in the pocket of these jerks.

I used to love Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films, but there's credible evidence that both of them rape children. I can't watch their films any more because the thought turns my stomach. That's not a pleasurable experience even if the film, on its own, would be.

It's not necessary to boycott every Fox film just all of Fox's Marvel properties. Unfortunately people will still go see X-Men Apocalypse though Gambit has a great chance with a $155 million budget to be another huge bomb for Fox.

 

[Dark Raven]

When Trank says that at year ago he had a fantastic film which would've had great reviews, I take it with the same grain of salt as his email that said that his film would be better than 99% of the CBMs out there.

 

[Quasar]

I wonder if all those Chechen rebels that got mowed down by the military soldiers are included in Ben's confirmed kill count.

 

[Eddie]

Wait... Ben was going to be able to collapse into a pile of rocks and then pull himself back together?! That's not even Fantastic Four. That's various rock monsters from other things. I'm positive I've played multiple JRPGs that have rock monsters that do this. You attack them, they collapse, then they pull themselves back together. I want to say the last one I played that did this was a MegaTen game...

 

[wobbly]

When Trank says that at year ago he had a fantastic film which would've had great reviews, I take it with the same grain of salt as his email that said that his film would be better than 99% of the CBMs out there.

There's been conflicting spin in support of Trank.

Allegedly 3 action scenes cut before shooting? I don't buy that as how could Trank have his 'fantastic' cut if he never got to shoot them?

He was well into post a year ago after all, and we know of a few bits that were definitely axed late on: The stealth bomber Thing drop followed by a Jeep exploding and him being shot at. The umm...'Fantaticar'..(jeez) and snippets from the battle on "Planet zero": Reed reaching out, Sue holding injured Johnny, and the Torch and Sue wrecking one of Doom's pillar things together.

Seems to me the tell tale wiggy reshoots would have cost more than just finishing those things off, so if that original stuff was so awesome that makes little sense to me.

 

[C. Lee]

I wonder if all those Chechen rebels that got mowed down by the military soldiers are included in Ben's confirmed kill count.

Nah.....the "ever loving blue eyed Thing" we all know and love only takes credit for the humans he actually rips the heads off of. He's proud in his kills...he ain't going to accept some grunt's shot up body on his score card when he can proudly speak of the crushed ripped apart bodies that he personally mangled with is large four fingered rock hands.

 

[The Infernal]

Yeah. That's just all kinds of wrong and just speaks volumes about their incompetent, ill conceived grim-dark take on the F4. That and it still doesn't explain why the ground miraculously explodes when the Thing lands.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

Wait... Ben was going to be able to collapse into a pile of rocks and then pull himself back together?! That's not even Fantastic Four. That's various rock monsters from other things. I'm positive I've played multiple JRPGs that have rock monsters that do this. You attack them, they collapse, then they pull themselves back together. I want to say the last one I played that did this was a MegaTen game...

Gorignak!

http://galaxyquest.wikia.com/wiki/Gorignak

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

You were looking forward to The Martian. Implying that you are not anymore? Why? Because it's a Fox movie? Even though nothing about the cast, crew, or the film undergoes any tangible change with that knowledge? The film is the exact same, regardless of what name accompanies the opening.

BTW, Redbox pays Fox to be able to rent their DVD's. So if you Redbox the Martian you will still be putting money into Fox's wallet. Better to just torrent it or something.

I said I would not support Fox movies at the theater. I'm not denying myself of anything. I'll watch them eventually when I feel like it. I'm not so lacking in self-control that I cannot wait a few months. And as others have brought out, Fox is not the only company making movies.

Further on one hand you're castigating me for not supporting the hard working actors and filmmakers because of my vitriol towards a particular studio and on the other hand you're advocating illegal pirating. I don't get it. I'm not a thief. I'm not torrenting anything. If I choose to spend $1 to watch a Fox film from Redbox then that's my prerogative. That's the merest fraction of the $60 or more I would actually be spending to get the family to the theaters.

Tell you what. I'll use a coupon so I'll get it from Redbox for free with no chicanery required.

I'm not 'boycotting' anything, and I thought I had made that clear. Seeing a film released by the a**holes that have been insulting me and screwing up the FF for the past 10 years will not give me pleasure so I won't do it.

Some people don't like Tom Cruise, so they don't see films he's in. Those people don't owe anything to the director, producer, cinematographer, script-writer, editor etc. Your premise is ridiculous. Films aren't charities. I'll see whatever damn films I want to see. I'm not going to see a film I won't enjoy out of some sense of pity for theater owners and the people who made it.

This was a thread that was specifically set up by the mods so that people like me could vent. If you don't understand the emotional reaction people like I have (which I have explained at length in the past), maybe you shouldn't be posting here.

It's really quite ridiculous isn't it?

 

[Eddie]

Come to think of it, Trank changed his Twitter icon to something from an RPG recently. Heck, maybe the rock monster man pulling himself together was supposed to be from an RPG.

I love RPGs (I'm pretty sure I've played over a hundred of them), but that doesn't mean Fantastic Four should be adapting those instead of, y'know, The Fantastic Four.

 

[Eddie]

Gorignak!

http://galaxyquest.wikia.com/wiki/Gorignak

Yep, there's another one. It's actually a bit generic.

 

[Krystal]

Yep, the old Ben Grimm disguising himself as a pile of rocks and then assembling himself ploy.

I've seen that one in so many comics going all the way back to........never.

Sad thing is that a lot of the apologists will site this kind of trash as "proof" of how much better the "trank Cut" would be.

 

[Eddie]

Yep, the old Ben Grimm disguising himself as a pile of rocks and then assembling himself ploy.

I've seen that one in so many comics going all the way back to........never.

Sad thing is that a lot of the apologists will site this kind of trash as "proof" of how much better the "trank Cut" would be.

And that right there shows you how much the apologists actually know about the Fantastic Four.