The FFINO ZONE - Part 3

[Eddie]

I've gotta agree with C. Lee on this one. Origins is my least favorite X-film, but as a movie... it's okay. Some parts were enjoyable. I've seen FAR worse. Accuracy to the source material has merit, for sure, but it isn't everything. Dracula, Sovereign of the Damned has multiple scenes straight out of the Tomb of Dracula comics, but it's a horribly dull movie. I'd say it's much worse than Origins even though it technically resembles the comics more.

 

[starscream22]

I thought you had seen more comic adaptations than that. There are a lot of bad comic book movies out there, and a bunch worse than Origins. I suggest you take a look at STEEL, ELEKTRA, Corman's FANTASTIC FOUR, CAPTAIN AMERICA (1979), CAPTAIN AMERICA (1990), GHOST RIDER SOV, THE SPIRIT, JONAH HEX........

Those are arguably worse but most are harder sells, I think Fox loses more points on a film like Wolverine for practically going out of their way to b@stardize an origin film that should've been box office gold and critically praised.

Seriously a character like Logan should not be trailing behind Antman.

The same could be said about 4stic which should be at least par with GOTG.

 

[C. Lee]

Those are arguably worse but most are harder sells, I think Fox loses more points on a film like Wolverine for practically going out of their way to b@stardize an origin film that should've been box office gold and critically praised.

Seriously a character like Logan should not be trailing behind Antman.

The same could be said about 4stic which should be as least par with GOTG.

I think one think that many aren't considering is...the general non comic reading audiences. We as comic fans can not like a comic based movie because it strays from the source material....but when the general audience who doesn't know how tall Logan is, doesn't know who in the hell Jonah Hex is at all, or doesn't know that Elektra does not have OCD fail to support the film because of it's writing, acting, FX, etc.....it means that there is something really bad with the film. I know people who have never read a comic who liked Origins but detested Jonah Hex. So one of them did something at least a little bit more right than the other one.

 

[Leenie]

I don't know if Origins is really that bad or if I'm just biased because I was sick of Wolverine butt kissing. Either way that is one of the worst comic book movies I've seen as well as Blade Trinity.

In terms of quality itself, I put X-Men Origins: Wolverine only slightly above FFINO. I think both films are totally in the same ballpark, though. Both are pretty much unwatchable to me.

I know people like to bring up Green Lantern, and yes, I do agree it's a bad movie ... But I think it's so much better than the likes of Origins and Fantfourstic.

I have not seen Blade Trinity. I've heard nothing but horrible things, though. One of these days, I'll force myself to check it out.

 

[Tymminator]

I thought you had seen more comic adaptations than that. There are a lot of bad comic book movies out there, and a bunch worse than Origins. I suggest you take a look at STEEL, ELEKTRA, Corman's FANTASTIC FOUR, CAPTAIN AMERICA (1979), CAPTAIN AMERICA (1990), GHOST RIDER SOV, THE SPIRIT, JONAH HEX........

I get what you are saying but Cap 1979 was a TV pilot/movie, not a theatrical release. That's like counting Bixby's Hulk as a movie too.

 

[metaphysician]

Wait, maybe I'm missing the big picture here.... Who didn't like that "Dark Avenger's" arc?

Me, and everybody else who didn't like the terrible writing that gave us Norman Osborn, Director of HAMMER, and had him as a villain taken seriously be people who'd achieved far more than him with far less resources.

 

[Dark Raven]

I was assuming that your love of the Wolverine character was behind that statement. In that way, I can understand your putting it at the top of the list...but if you ever get around to watching some of the others movies, I think your standings will change.

I'm sorry you took it that way, I wasn't trying to argue, I honestly thought that you thought I was saying those movies were worse than FFINO.

Ok no worries.

 

[Erzengel]

I wouldn't include Corman's or either Captain Americas from 79 or 80. I don't consider any TV movies or Direct to Videos.

 

[Flint Marko]

For what it's worth, I don't hate Origins as much as I do because it strayed far away from the source material. My problem with Origins was that it was a truly terrible movie that felt overstuffed with a thousand ideas and studio mandates.
"We gotta get Sabretooth in there. And Gambit. Maybe a Cyclops cameo. And Deadpool, people love Deadpool. Wait, and Will.i.am! People like him too, right? But make sure Deadpool never speaks. Yes, I said never speak. What? Don't question me! Screw you, we're sewing his mouth completely shut now."

 

[Erzengel]

Also ridiculous storylines. I have an adamantium bullet. This should stop Wolverine or give him amnesia. I know this even though this is the first test subject to survive the adamantium bonding process.

 

[Tony Stark]

For what it's worth, I don't hate Origins as much as I do because it strayed far away from the source material. My problem with Origins was that it was a truly terrible movie that felt overstuffed with a thousand ideas and studio mandates.
"We gotta get Sabretooth in there. And Gambit. Maybe a Cyclops cameo. And Deadpool, people love Deadpool. Wait, and Will.i.am! People like him too, right? But make sure Deadpool never speaks. Yes, I said never speak. What? Don't question me! Screw you, we're sewing his mouth completely shut now."

Yeah I agree with that. It's a terrible movie, but to me it's at least watchable, mainly because I enjoy Jackman as Wolverine, even if all the other stuff was completely out of place.

I can't watch FFINO at all. I'll never watch it again, not even on television. That movie deserves the Coreman treatment. Just bury the footage in a vault and pretend it never happened. It never should have been released in theaters.

Having said that discussions over which is worse FFINO or Elektra or XMO, is like asking if you prefer dog ****, cow ****, or cat ****. In the end it's all ****.

 

[Dark Raven]

At least as bad as the film is, Elektra undergoes some kind of character arc in her movie, and it has a proper narrative structure. What character arc do the four really undergo in FFINO? Sure, they have physical transformations, but are they any different as people at all by the end? They're basically characterless throughout and just cardboard cut out figures.

 

[Tony Stark]

The problem is there are no characters in FFINO, so they can't possibly have a character arc. You could literally insert any one of these characters into another role and it wouldn't matter, it wouldn't change the movie at all. That's how bland and abstract Kinberg's writing was.

 

[Dark Raven]

The problem is there are no characters in FFINO, so they can't possibly have a character arc. You could literally insert any one of these characters into another role and it wouldn't matter, it wouldn't change the movie at all. That's how bland and abstract Kinberg's writing was.

The FF in FFINO are like 4 random office workers who sit at separate cubicles and barely interact with each other, and then are called to work on a project together (eg some big company mailout). They stick all the address labels on, mostly at their separate desks where they do their own thing, and then come together to leave all the envelopes in the mail room at the end. And then we're supposed to believe they are supposed to now have such a bond and camaraderie because of this shared experience that turned them into a team.

 

[starscream22]

I think one think that many aren't considering is...the general non comic reading audiences. We as comic fans can not like a comic based movie because it strays from the source material....but when the general audience who doesn't know how tall Logan is, doesn't know who in the hell Jonah Hex is at all, or doesn't know that Elektra does not have OCD fail to support the film because of it's writing, acting, FX, etc.....it means that there is something really bad with the film. I know people who have never read a comic who liked Origins but detested Jonah Hex. So one of them did something at least a little bit more right than the other one.

I wasn't into comics at all when X1 released but most knew enough about Wolverine to know that he was short. I mean he's named after a short, stocky, animal that's none for its strength and ferocity. So in this case its actually in the name.

Sure people give Jackman a pass but putting him in that role did take much of the "underdog against all odds" quality away from the character on film as a result.

 

[Marvolo]

Wolverine has never been an underdog. He is practically immortal, heals from almost any injury, doesn't get sick, has natural ferocious claws, has bones coated in the strongest metal, and when he is angry he flies into a rage that makes him unstoppable.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Wolverine started out as an underdog. There was a time when it took hours for him to heal from wounds. There was a time he got his ass kicked a lot.

His powers didn't become silly until later.

 

[Marvolo]

Wolverine started out as an underdog. There was a time when it took hours for him to heal from wounds. There was a time he got his ass kicked a lot.

His powers didn't become silly until later.

Taking hours to heal is still better than 99.999999% of the human population and reduces the effects of those ass kickings he receives. Maybe against sentinels or God like figures he is an underdog but against any human or human mutant he isn't an underdog.

 

[Farren]

Being able to heal within a few hours isn't all that useful if you take a mortal wound that kills in less than a minute.

 

[Raiden]

In terms of quality itself, I put X-Men Origins: Wolverine only slightly above FFINO. I think both films are totally in the same ballpark, though. Both are pretty much unwatchable to me.

I know people like to bring up Green Lantern, and yes, I do agree it's a bad movie ... But I think it's so much better than the likes of Origins and Fantfourstic.

I have not seen Blade Trinity. I've heard nothing but horrible things, though. One of these days, I'll force myself to check it out.

Blade Trinity is a mediocre movie, but not terrible and certainly not among the all-time worse CBM. However, you can tell Snipes had a awful experience making that movie, which explains why he was phoning in in the entire movie.

 

[Quasar]

Why does it seem a lot of these terrible movies everyone lists have Ryan Reynolds in them?

 

[metaphysician]

Being able to heal within a few hours isn't all that useful if you take a mortal wound that kills in less than a minute.

It also doesn't look so impressive compared to guys with powers like "I turn into a steel statue that outright ignores any damage you could conceivably heal from, and also gives me enough strength to turn you into a fine red mist".

Wolverine is kind of street level compared with most other X-Men.

 

[Eddie]

Why does it seem a lot of these terrible movies everyone lists have Ryan Reynolds in them?

[BLACKOUT]Maybe the guy just has a terrible agent. He has been in multiple notoriously bad comic adaptations, though.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Taking hours to heal is still better than 99.999999% of the human population and reduces the effects of those ass kickings he receives. Maybe against sentinels or God like figures he is an underdog but against any human or human mutant he isn't an underdog.

His first appearance was a fight against the Hulk. So he started as an underdog.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Why does it seem a lot of these terrible movies everyone lists have Ryan Reynolds in them?

Holy crap the dude was even in Blade 3.. lol I never realized he was in a lot of these bad movies. This worries me becauE I want Deadpool to be successful and didn't Fox keep him as the actor?
He went to Fox in Xmen origins and then WB for Green Lantern...is Marvel wanting him also or are they like "stay away box office Kryptonite".