The Flash The Flash, Episode 9: The Man in the Yellow Suit

[scifiwolf]

Again, I don't understand this. Barry doesn't have to protect his younger self (Zoom can't exist without him). Barry also can't alter the past (at least, in the comics, unless flashpoint). Why not save his dad or come days earlier to save his mom (if this version can alter the past)?

We don't know the circumstances of Barry going back in time (if the second "speedster is actually Barry). Also, in the spur of the moment, watching his mom be murdered all over again, he may simply act on instinct to get himself out of there, if only to shield young Barry from the horror as much as possible, or from being collateral damage during the fight. We just don't know. Barry's actions don't have to make sense, especially if they're instinctual.

 

[jrmtz543]

We don't know the circumstances of Barry going back in time (if the second "speedster is actually Barry). Also, in the spur of the moment, watching his mom be murdered all over again, he may simply act on instinct to get himself out of there, if only to shield young Barry from the horror as much as possible, or from being collateral damage during the fight. We just don't know. Barry's actions don't have to make sense, especially if they're instinctual.

Hmmm, I suppose that could make sense if he's acting completely off instinct / emotion.

I've got a feeling the second speedster isn't Barry. Cisco would've figured that out if it was .....

 

[Human Torch]

We don't know the circumstances of Barry going back in time (if the second "speedster is actually Barry). Also, in the spur of the moment, watching his mom be murdered all over again, he may simply act on instinct to get himself out of there, if only to shield young Barry from the horror as much as possible, or from being collateral damage during the fight. We just don't know. Barry's actions don't have to make sense, especially if they're instinctual.

Maybe Barry thinks RF is going back to kill him.

I mean,not knowing a whole lot about the comics history,why would RF go all the way back in time to kill his mom? Why not kill 10 y/o Barry instead? Why not kill Barry's mom before she conceives Barry? What he did doesn't seem the greatest plan.Unless all he wants is to stick it to Barry.

And it seems more than a little unfair the RF can alter the past by killing Nora,but Barry can't re-alter it by saving her without causing some kinda "Edith Keeler" catastrophe.

That's why time travel stuff gives me motion sickness.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Again, I don't understand this. Barry doesn't have to protect his younger self (Zoom can't exist without him). Barry also can't alter the past (at least, in the comics, unless flashpoint). Why not save his dad or come days earlier to save his mom (if this version can alter the past)?

it his episode we saw that one of two Reverse Flashes can exist without Barry. The one with tachyon prototype, assuming THE Reverse Flash is Reverse Flash with speed-force. So if Future Reverse Flash can kill young Barry before he become the Flash with speed-force, one Reverse Flash will still exist without Flash messing his plans in the future. Maybe I am wrong but there are bunch of theories and question marks we which we dont know so I can answer you.

 

[Human Torch]

I'm happy to see no one has rated this one any lower than a 9.

If anyone does,you deserve coal in your stocking this Christmas!

 

[Cain]

*Tries to read the last few pages of this thread*

 

[jrmtz543]

Maybe Barry thinks RF is going back to kill him.

I mean,not knowing a whole lot about the comics history,why would RF go all the way back in time to kill his mom? Why not kill 10 y/o Barry instead? Why not kill Barry's mom before she conceives Barry? What he did doesn't seem the greatest plan.Unless all he wants is to stick it to Barry.

And it seems more than a little unfair the RF can alter the past by killing Nora,but Barry can't re-alter it by saving her without causing some kinda "Edith Keeler" catastrophe.

That's why time travel stuff gives me motion sickness.

RF cannot / will not kill Barry. Barry needs to become the Flash in order to create the Speed Force, which is where RF will draw his powers from (assuming he is a metahuman and not drawing his power from the costume as some have suggested).

And you hit the nail on the head. RF wants to stick it to Barry. He wants to cause Barry as much pain as possible without jeopardizing the speed force.

RF is free to alter time but Barry isn't (a cheat, i know). Once Flashpoint occurs, though, RF can kill Barry without consequences.

Maybe my previous points can be explained as being due to the fact we know things the audience doesn't. Barry doesn't know RF needs him alive, doesn't know he can't alter time, etc.

I just feel like there's a mystery here.

 

[Shazam]

RF cannot / will not kill Barry. Barry needs to become the Flash in order to create the Speed Force, which is where RF will draw his powers from (assuming he is a metahuman and not drawing his power from the costume as some have suggested).

And you hit the nail on the head. RF wants to stick it to Barry. He wants to cause Barry as much pain as possible without jeopardizing the speed force.

RF is free to alter time but Barry isn't (a cheat, i know). Once Flashpoint occurs, though, RF can kill Barry without consequences.

Maybe my previous points can be explained as being due to the fact we know things the audience doesn't. Barry doesn't know RF needs him alive, doesn't know he can't alter time, etc.

I just feel like there's a mystery here.

Hmmm ...strange that the "Speed Force" hasnt been mentioned yet...

 

[godisawesome]

I figured part of the reason they brought up Nora's European travels was to provide space for Eddie's father to have a relationship with her, making Eddie the Malcolm counterpart, but as an older half-brother instead of as an evil twin.

The time travel thing does kind of give me a headache, but as people have noted:

-The show hasn't established the rules of time travel yet, but had Cisco recognize that two speedsters were present for Nora's murder.
-The Flash franchise was once praised in part for it's massive multi-generational nature on both sides of the morality line, so multiple Flashes/Reverse Flashes are possible.
-Somehow, Wells managed to be beaten by Reverse Flash, while Wells has shown interest in meta-human powers and RF has super speed, providing multiple explanations.

If Wells isn't the only Reverse Flash, then I expect another confrontation at some point between the two, to act as the "Holy ****!" moment to the audience while they ramp up for Season 1's finale.

I hope they aim for Arrow's season 2 structure: mini-arcs and expositionary stories before the villain is revealed in the mid-season finale, and strong rising action and build up into a massive multi-part season finale.

 

[Human Torch]

RF cannot / will not kill Barry. Barry needs to become the Flash in order to create the Speed Force, which is where RF will draw his powers from (assuming he is a metahuman and not drawing his power from the costume as some have suggested).

And you hit the nail on the head. RF wants to stick it to Barry. He wants to cause Barry as much pain as possible without jeopardizing the speed force.

RF is free to alter time but Barry isn't (a cheat, i know). Once Flashpoint occurs, though, RF can kill Barry without consequences.

Maybe my previous points can be explained as being due to the fact we know things the audience doesn't. Barry doesn't know RF needs him alive, doesn't know he can't alter time, etc.

I just feel like there's a mystery here.

I see! Thanks for the clarification.

 

[luis4u]

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Reverse Flash - Know Your Universe

 

[jrmtz543]

Maybe there are two RFs - Wells (Zolomon) and Thawne. Man, this is making my head hurt.

 

[Masone]

Anyone else see the parallels between this episode and Year's End on Arrow(also episode 9)?

 

[Mace Dolex]

Is this version of The Flash a continuation of the 90's TV show? If not then the appearance of Tina McGee is just a mere coincidence and she's playing another interpretation of her?

 

[Cain]

Is this version of The Flash a continuation of the 90's TV show? If not then the appearance of Tina McGee is just a mere coincidence and she's playing another interpretation of her?

It's just a nod to fans of that show like casting Mark Hamill as The Trickster. If this were a continuation John Wesley Shipp would be playing Barry Allen and not Henry Allen.

 

[Cain]

Maybe there are two RFs - Wells (Zolomon) and Thawne. Man, this is making my head hurt.

Stop overthinking it if it causes a headache then. It's clearly Professor Zoom that is being dealt with this season. Wells entire m.o. matches Eobard Thawne far more than anybody else's.

I could see them saving Zoom for a future season. This is made for general audiences I doubt they will convolute the story so much especially when even the comic books themselves don't get that convoluted during individual story arcs.

Clearly we got the revelations that we got because this show has maintained a quick pace in terms of storytelling from the beginning; and it's now ready to enter the next narrative phase. Which is an appropriate thing considering that it's about the fastest man alive.

 

[Mace Dolex]

It's just a nod to fans of that show like casting Mark Hamill as The Trickster. If this were a continuation John Wesley Shipp would be playing Barry Allen and not Henry Allen.

Ahh I see now.

 

[Lencho01]

Is that scientist the dude from Convos with my 2 year old?

Heh. I was right.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1660138/reference

 

[king666]

Stop overthinking it if it causes a headache then. It's clearly Professor Zoom that is being dealt with this season. Wells entire m.o. matches Eobard Thawne far more than anybody else's.

I could see them saving Zoom for a future season. This is made for general audiences I doubt they will convolute the story so much especially when even the comic books themselves don't get that convoluted during individual story arcs.

Clearly we got the revelations that we got because this show has maintained a quick pace in terms of storytelling from the beginning; and it's now ready to enter the next narrative phase. Which is an appropriate thing considering that it's about the fastest man alive.

Yeah.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Wow. What an episode.

Can someone clarify whether the episode gave us the answer regarding the two RFs, or are we supposed to be confused?

The answer being that since Wells time-travelled from the future, we can assume that he could have time-travelled again (say...5 minutes into the past) to create a scenario where there's two of himself to throw people off his scent.

Also:
-Gustin's got some drama chops.
-They pulled off Firestorm's flight quite well.

 

[jrmtz543]

Anybody figure out how Wells got pulled into the trap? Then there was Wells saying RF was the only one who could stand / survive it....

 

[Nathan]

The force field was fluctuating. There was probably an opening for a fraction of a second, and he pulled Wells through. Though I wonder why he didn't simply escape in that moment instead.

 

[Paradox1]

This might be crazy but I think Wells used the force field to steal some of RF powers. He took blood from that guy who could steal Flash's speed. Which is why I think at the end he was able to vibrate his voice like that.

 

[jrmtz543]

This might be crazy but I think Wells used the force field to steal some of RF powers. He took blood from that guy who could steal Flash's speed. Which is why I think at the end he was able to vibrate his voice like that.

Whoa. Interesting

 

[Comics]

This might be crazy but I think Wells used the force field to steal some of RF powers. He took blood from that guy who could steal Flash's speed. Which is why I think at the end he was able to vibrate his voice like that.

Did he just happen to coincidentally have a RF Outfit and Ring laying around too?