The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 2

[dhandler01]

If they can 'separate at will', why would Stein's character description specifically mention him actively trying to find a way to facilitate a separation?

Because it is part of the storyline? They get fused and then they have to figure out a way to separate then they can do it at will.

Its not like Firestorm will just show up and nothing will be explained...there will be buildup and a story arch that will include an origin. It is not a difficult concept to gather if you keep up with how the show goes.

Plus just because they are fused doesnt mean they cant have interactions. As was said earlier they can have them be face to face inside of Ronnie's mind (instead of the floating head) or he can be like Shado was to Slade, an image from his mind projected out so he cdan see it (since he can hear the voice) but no one else can.

Either way, there will be enough build up and exposition that everyone will get it.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't think that's actually Grant Gustin's tumblr so I don't think he'll actually be called that.

LOL, I was just joking.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

LOL, I was just joking.

I can certainly see how someone could be fooled by that though, this is the same network that brought us "the hood" and "the red-blue blur".

 

[DigificWriter]

Unless more episodes are ordered, Garber won't even be appearing until the season's almost over, so the only way to make things not confusing and convoluted is if Robbie Amell's Ronnie Raymond stops appearing when Garber shows up.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Unless more episodes are ordered, Garber won't even be appearing until the season's almost over, so the only way to make things not confusing and convoluted is if Robbie Amell's Ronnie Raymond stops appearing when Garber shows up.

Are you just arguing for the sake of it? Or are you really having THAT hard a time understanding?

 

[DigificWriter]

Because Garber isn't showing up until Episode 12, the separation story isn't going to start until then, so you can't have both characters appear without things being confusing and convoluted.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Because Garber isn't showing up until Episode 12, the separation story isn't going to start until then, so you can't have both characters appear without things being confusing and convoluted.

WTF? they'd have plenty of time to explain it without it being convoluted, it gives them half of a friggin season. I don't know what the hell kind of reasoning you're using.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Fighting Barry is much different than actually crossing over onto The Flash series itself.

Furthermore, I don't know if it's been confirmed exactly how the Arrow/Flash crossover is going to play itself out vis a vis Arrow itself (although we do know that Team Arrow is going to show up in the Flash part of the crossover, "Flash vs. Arrow"), so Captain Boomerang's appearance in the Arrow part of the crossover, "The Brave and the Bold", doesn't necessarily guarantee that he'll actually be fighting Barry at all.

Dude come on. It's completely obvious that Boomerang will appear on The Flash, i seriously can't believe you're arguing this...

He's going to appear on The Flash, i am 100% sure of this, and you should be too.

Sorry to be a dick, but it's going to happen. No doubt.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Not a good day to be Barry, loving Zoom's new duds, could do with a bit more yellow though.

Spoiler

Sooo... the fight won't be saved for the season finale?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Sooo... the fight won't be saved for the season finale?

I think we're looking at something akin to Arrow S1, where he meets the main villain in the mid-season finale, gets his arse handed to him, and then has a rematch at the end of the season.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think we're looking at something akin to Arrow S1, where he meets the main villain in the mid-season finale, gets his arse handed to him, and then has a rematch at the end of the season.

Indeed. What would be even cooler is if for Zoom, the mid-season finale fight happens after the end of the season fight. That would pwn if they could pull that off.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Indeed. What would be even cooler is if for Zoom, the mid-season finale fight happens after the end of the season fight. That would pwn if they could pull that off.

That'd be awesome, they'd both be getting payback on each other for fights that hadn't happened for one of them yet. I always loved how in the comics Wally was actually the first Flash Zoom met because his time travel was off.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think we're looking at something akin to Arrow S1, where he meets the main villain in the mid-season finale, gets his arse handed to him, and then has a rematch at the end of the season.

I like this idea for Flash.

 

[Boom]

I enjoyed the pilot quite a bit. The whole "I think the lightning chose you" line was a little hokey, but that's a small complaint in an otherwise solid episode. I'll be tuning in next week for sure.

And Reverse Flash looks great.

 

[DigificWriter]

WTF? they'd have plenty of time to explain it without it being convoluted, it gives them half of a friggin season. I don't know what the hell kind of reasoning you're using.

I addressed this elsewhere, but with Raymond and Stein having been fused together when the particle accelerator exploded, the two actors won't be able to appear at the same time without it being confusing because the search for a way to separate them won't start until Stein appears in Episode 12.

In practical terms, that means that Robbie Amell's Raymond will have to just disappear before Episode 12 when Garber's Stein shows up.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I addressed this elsewhere, but with Raymond and Stein having been fused together when the particle accelerator exploded, the two actors won't be able to appear at the same time without it being confusing because the search for a way to separate them won't start until Stein appears in Episode 12.

In practical terms, that means that Robbie Amell's Raymond will have to just disappear before Episode 12 when Garber's Stein shows up.

No it doesn't. Robbie Amell won't have to go anywhere when Garber shows up.

 

[luis4u]

 

[DigificWriter]

Stein and Raymond are fused together into a single entity and Stein's part in the story is about finding a way to separate them, so I don't see how you can expect Ronnie to appear at the same time as Stein because if they could separate themselves at will, Stein wouldn't have to search for a way to make that separation happen.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Stein and Raymond are fused together into a single entity and Stein's part in the story is about finding a way to separate them, so I don't see how you can expect Ronnie to appear at the same time as Stein because if they could separate themselves at will, Stein wouldn't have to search for a way to make that separation happen.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Are you? If a character's story is ABOUT finding a way to separate himself from another character, only one of the two characters in question can appear at a time because they're not separated yet.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

^ Are you? If a character's story is ABOUT finding a way to separate himself from another character, only one of the two characters in question can appear at a time.

Except that isn't true at all, you're thinking in conventional terms and being extraordinarily narrow minded.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Fine, "Mr. Know-It-All", show me how you can have two characters who are merged together into one entity appear simultaneously if one of the two characters has to actively search for a way to undo/end their merged state.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

^ Fine, "Mr. Know-It-All", show me how you can have two characters who are merged together into one entity appear simultaneously if one of the two characters has to actively search for a way to undo/end their merged state.

He could appear as a voice in Raymond's head, or as a hallucination only Raymond can see.

 

[DigificWriter]

It would be really convoluted and confusing for Ronnie to go from actually appearing for 9 episodes to only being a 'hallucination' once Stein shows up in Episode 12.

 

[DrCosmic]

It would be really convoluted and confusing for Ronnie to go from actually appearing for 9 episodes to only being a 'hallucination' once Stein shows up in Episode 12.

He said Stein would be a hallucination, not Ronnie. Besides, Ronnie isn't appearing "for nine episodes." He's not in Flash vs Arrow for starters.

It would not be confusing if we only see him in Flashbacks before episode 12. It would not be confusing if we see him talking to a Stein we can't see, and then by Episode 12 we are let in on the 'secret' of who Ronnie is talking to.

After research, the description of "Things You Can't Outrun" is definitely Ronnie in flashbacks getting "killed." There's nothing confusing about him being fused with Stein 9 episodes later when we find out he's still alive.