The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 4

[Paradox1]

It's really a stupid theory after all. People don't change that much, no matter what happens to them. A kindly, self-sacrificing person like Barry could never become a self serving cold blooded murderer like Wells is portrayed.

I don't know one of the better stories from the JLA cartoons was the Justice Lords. The biggest change in them from their counterparts was they lost their heart when Flash was murdered. He lost his wife, that in all likely hood would be Iris if he is a future Barry. Them not looking alike is a way than easier fix when you say cosmetic surgery.

That is not personally my theory but I wouldn't dismiss it.

 

[Bren]

Dr. Wells was Nora's husband in a different timeline. He's been going back trying to save her many times, resulting in his own timeline being wiped out. He's now trying this timeline, and having saved her, causes a sort of flashpoint event.

Future Barry goes back in time to stop Wells saving Nora, which results in Wells being trapped in this timeline........... Since Barry coulda/mighta been a foster son to him, he's conflicted in how he sees Barry.

Nah my head hurts.

 

[Hulk1968]

Time travel - it's a real pain in the head, right?

Anyway, I hightly doubt that Wells is a 'future / alternate timeline' Barry.

I mean, Wells kinda resembles an older Barry but my theory is that Wells is
actualy Eobard (?) Thawne, Eddie Thawne's future relative who had cosmetic
surgury to look like Barry (Flash) - that's why he (Reverse Flash) didn't attack Eddie
in the "Man in the Yellow Suit" episode... that's what I think.

OK - my head hurts now. It's just a theory though.

 

[Boy Scout]

It's really a stupid theory after all. People don't change that much, no matter what happens to them. A kindly, self-sacrificing person like Barry could never become a self serving cold blooded murderer like Wells is portrayed.

Stuff like that happens literally all the time in fiction.

 

[Cain]

my theory is that Wells is actualy Eobard (?) Thawne, Eddie Thawne's future relative - that's why he (Reverse Flash) didn't attack Eddie in the "Man in the Yellow Suit" episode... that's what I think.

We're on the same page.

Though I don't think he got surgery to look like Barry so I edited that out. It wouldn't be out of character for Eobard Thawne to do that though so if that's indeed the case in the end it would be a nice easter egg for the fans of The Return of Barry Allen storyline.

 

[Batmannerism]

Time travel - it's a real pain in the head, right?

Anyway, I hightly doubt that Wells is a 'future / alternate timeline' Barry.

I mean, Wells kinda resembles an older Barry but my theory is that Wells is
actualy Eobard (?) Thawne, Eddie Thawne's future relative who had cosmetic
surgury to look like Barry (Flash) - that's why he (Reverse Flash) didn't attack Eddie
in the "Man in the Yellow Suit" episode... that's what I think.

OK - my head hurts now. It's just a theory though.

Totally agree dude ! Maybe not the surgery bit, but totally about Eddie being Wells/RF's ancestor ( the only reason that Eddie's still alive !). H. Wells - clearly a psuedonym, especially appropriate for a time traveller.

Anyway, we only just got episode 10 down here, personally, I thought the whole crossing the streams bit was a bit silly and overcomplicated - really, all he needed to do was run up behind them and smack them over the head.

Having said that the character moments were great, especially Joe West and Barry. Cisco is becoming more and more likeable all the time, and Wells is just oozing with intrigue - I mean when he says " You're pushing me too Barry, to be better." we know what he really means - I guess that's irony.

To be honest, I don't really like Iris all that much, she's kind of annoying whereas Eddie Thawne is quite likeable.

Miller and Purcell were wayyy OTT as the bad guys (in fact I think they took it a bit too far, as they reminded me of bad guys from the 1990 show). Mind you, in a super-hero show, OTT isn't such a bad thing - still they could have dialed it back a little bit.

Overall, they're pretty decent, but the best villain so far has been the Man in the Yellow Suit - I mean, he is genuinely menacing, and a totally legitimate threat, which is what the Reverse Flash is meant to be - in the comics that yellow costume looks a little silly, but in the show he's pretty scary. And on the flipside Wells is getting progressively creepier, Cavanaugh is playing it brilliantly.

I too am getting a bit of brain-strain trying to work out all the time-travel angles, can't wait until we get some more clues as to what Wells' endgame is.

Looking forward to the next episode !

 

[Bathead]

Stuff like that happens literally all the time in fiction.

Yeah, in badly written fiction.
Regardless, it just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in this context.

 

[chamber-music]

When Wells is eventually revealed as a villain I think Ray Palmer could take over his role on the show as head of Star Labs, mentor to Barry and chief resident science genius.

 

[king666]

When Wells is eventually revealed as a villain I think Ray Palmer could take over his role on the show as head of Star Labs, mentor to Barry and chief resident science genius.

That's actually a really cool idea.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Am I the only one that thinks that Gustin and Cavanagh dont actually look anything alike? Short of them both having dark hair and slender builds I cant really see anything about the two which could pass for 'he's his future self'......

 

[Kar]

About the Wells being Future Barry theory...I'm with that idea. Another poster and I noticed that Wells rubbed the back of his neck in this episode when he grabbed that gun. In the last episode Barry got shot in the neck in the same spot and he was rubbing it too.

 

[gspot]

When Wells is eventually revealed as a villain I think Ray Palmer could take over his role on the show as head of Star Labs, mentor to Barry and chief resident science genius.

I think they will bring Tina McGee in to head Star Labs. Ray Palmer will be far too busy with his own company and potentially his own show.

 

[gspot]

About the Wells being Future Barry theory...I'm with that idea. Another poster and I noticed that Wells rubbed the back of his neck in this episode when he grabbed that gun. In the last episode Barry got shot in the neck in the same spot and he was rubbing it too.

That's the only plausible clue that has ever made me think the Future Barry/Wells idea was even remotely possible. But when I saw that neck rub - I didn't go there myself. I immediately thought to the time Barry used lethal force and broke RF's neck.

 

[Kar]

That's the only plausible clue that has ever made me think the Future Barry/Wells idea was even remotely possible. But when I saw that neck rub - I didn't go there myself. I immediately thought to the time Barry used lethal force and broke RF's neck.

Another hole in this theory is the fact that Barry has that rapid healing thing. It can either be chalked up to just bad writing or maybe when something happens to Barry in the past it effects Wells (granted, he IS in fact Future Barry)

 

[Hulk1968]

Totally agree dude ! Maybe not the surgery bit, but totally about Eddie being Wells/RF's ancestor ( the only reason that Eddie's still alive !). H. Wells - clearly a pseudonym, especially appropriate for a time traveler.

Anyway, we only just got episode 10 down here, personally, I thought the whole crossing the streams bit was a bit silly and overcomplicated - really, all he needed to do was run up behind them and smack them over the head.

Having said that the character moments were great, especially Joe West and Barry. Cisco is becoming more and more likeable all the time, and Wells is just oozing with intrigue - I mean when he says " You're pushing me too Barry, to be better." we know what he really means - I guess that's irony.

To be honest, I don't really like Iris all that much, she's kind of annoying whereas Eddie Thawne is quite likeable.

Miller and Purcell were wayyy OTT as the bad guys (in fact I think they took it a bit too far, as they reminded me of bad guys from the 1990 show). Mind you, in a super-hero show, OTT isn't such a bad thing - still they could have dialed it back a little bit.

Overall, they're pretty decent, but the best villain so far has been the Man in the Yellow Suit - I mean, he is genuinely menacing, and a totally legitimate threat, which is what the Reverse Flash is meant to be - in the comics that yellow costume looks a little silly, but in the show he's pretty scary. And on the flipside Wells is getting progressively creepier, Cavanaugh is playing it brilliantly.

I too am getting a bit of brain-strain trying to work out all the time-travel angles, can't wait until we get some more clues as to what Wells' endgame is.

Looking forward to the next episode !

Thanks! I didn't think of that myself - H. G. Wells, LOLs. Very clever.
So if you're on episode 10 as of lately, then you're in for some good stuff coming up, especially with Firestorm!

And as for the villains being a bit OOC (OTT?) out of character - well, this is loosely based upon The New 52 and Wally West (Iris's nephew) will be introduced on the show sometime soon. How he "fits" into all of this is anyone's guess.

As for the Reverse Flash - I believe there are 2 of them. Wells and someone else. There have been several versions of the RF in the comics, so who they are is still a mystery - for now anyways.

I'm liking the other characters a bit better except Iris because of what she did in the last episode here (no spoilers) but her dad Joe and Cisco are coming around and actually working together more which I think works well and they have good on-screen chemistry.

I agree, Iris is kinda annoying but I think she will change a bit very soon from what I heard her co-sar Robbie Amell (Ronnie Raymond / Firestorm) said in a recent interview. Caitlin I adore and she has grown a bit as well. Overall this is one of my favorite shows besides Gotham

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EDIT: As for Wells rubbing the back of his neck when he got the gun in his hand (to stop Firestorm) I think he was just remembering what could've happend to Barry - that's why he put the gun away and decided to help Firestorm instead, and not kill him.

 

[Hulk1968]

Just found this on youtube - thought it was pretty funny spot for Cisco.

Can you dig it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyK6Mf8TdKc

For some reason, I can't embedd it here.

 

[Boy Scout]

Yeah, in badly written fiction.

Uh...no...not at all, actually. There are tons of examples where it's been done right.

Regardless, it just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in this context.

Never said otherwise.

 

[Bathead]

Uh...no...not at all, actually. There are tons of examples where it's been done right.



Never said otherwise.

Whatever. It's still a hugely bad and unbelievable idea in this context, and comes off as a fanboy inspired gimmick.

 

[kguillou]

Ugh, I am completely ashamed of myself for even noticing this but has anyone else noticed that vein that pops out on Grant Gustin's forehead? For some reason it stuck out to me a bunch last episode and I couldnt stop noticing it. Its more apparent when Grant gets overexcited about something.

Absolutely love the show but....just sayin' lol.

 

[Broseph44]

Really? We go from time travel talk to a vein in the actors head?

 

[Hulk1968]

Really? We go from time travel talk to a vein in the actors head?

I know, right? Emergency Awesome on YouTube had a theory regarding the upcoming time-travel plot on The Flash which might lead into the back-half of the season, leading up to the season 1 finale'... let me see if I can find it and post the video here. I know this should go under episode 13 discussion, but you mentioned the upcoming time travel plot so here we go...

These are just his theories and sometimes he's not too far off.
I do hope it's true though and we all might get what we want.

[YT]/watch?v=_Eu5b34Pln8[/YT]

 

[Herolee10]

My biggest reasoning for why Wells can't be a "future version" of Barry is mainly from his scenes with Gideon in the first half of the season.

Wells has nothing to hide from his computer, so it wouldn't make sense for him to talk about "Barry" as a separate person.

And he also has no reason to say things like "See you soon Barry" and other things that he's said throughout the season that's given glimpses of his real personality.

Not to mention, whenever he runs...he leaves a trail of red lightning whereas Barry's lightning is yellow.

 

[Travesty]

I think Wells is actually Barry's mutated throbbing vein from the future, that is out for some vengeance.

Vengeance!!

 

[Bren]

I think Wells is actually Barry's mutated throbbing vein from the future, that is out for some vengeance.

Vengeance!!

Forget the Reverse Flash, he's the Revenge Vein!

 

[Ted]

Its sad how they are wasting Eddie so far. I wasn't a fan of him in the beginnings, and as far as RF or the big villain of the series, I always hoped that it will be only Wells. But I think that Eddie can be the second bad guy after Wells. I am still waiting to see whats his connection to RF, hopefully its more than just being an ancestor.