The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 4

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Here a couple of random thoughts/theories of mine:

Personally, I always took it for granted that one of the speedsters at the murder scene was future Barry. The question always was, who was the other. (My current belief is that it may have been future Eddie, though him currently being a cop, I'd assume they'd have his blood sample on file somewhere, so not 100% sure there...)

The other interesting question in this regard is: If you wanted to introduce some twist what could you do? Potential candidates are:
Which of the speedsters wanted Nora dead and which wanted to save her? (e.g. Future Barry may not be "himself". Future Barry may want to _prevent_ her from being saved to prevent some paradox and/or for the greater good...)
Perhaps neither of them is the killer... Was there someone else?
Perhaps his father did it afterall...

Now to Dr. Wells:
It's possible that I simply give the writers too much credit, but I always felt that they are going out of their way to give us all the evidence that they can so that we will believe without a doubt that Dr. Wells is the Reverse Flash. I still expect some twist in there. At the very least he is not the main RF. He is just trying to copy him/steal his powers... We were shown him building the suit, but that does not need to mean anything. He was shown to be present at the same time as the RF (and being beaten up by him). While there are many explanations for that (from hired proxy to time travel) I somehow do not think that's the case. Most importantly he was shown not to be in full control of the power (yet?). He also needs the tachyon device to recharge...
Since I'd like for him to remain a series regular, I'm still hoping he will turn out to be a more or less good guy, and all the stuff hinting at him being evil is just misdirection...

Speaking of the tachyion device... I find it likely (though not necessary) that he's from the future as opposed to just communicating with the future...
Also, I'm wondering whether in the future he may have had his full powers, but travelling through time made him loose them and hence the need for some tachyions to reconnect him with his power?

Initially I would liked the idea that he may be future Barry, and I believe there where some hints dropped in the show like someone remarking how similar they where but ultimately I believe it's unlikely:
Barry's character would not allow for cold-blooded murder (unless he is insane or otherwise affected, which Dr. Wells does not appear to be...)
Barry is smart, but not quite on Dr. Wells as level of genius/strategiest.
As many remarked, they would have to look much more alike if there's only 10 or so years between them...
Finally, Dr. Wells would need to have Barry's memories, which he did not appear to have as demonstrated in the "Stinger" episode.

On the other hand I believe when Barry disappears in the past he is actually thrown back in time. Potentially along with Dr. Wells. If that's the case, where is future Barry now? If Dr. Wells were Barry though, then whatever caused him to be thrown back in time might have (partially) affected his powers. Which would be a neat explanation, though I still don't think that's the case. A lesser likely scenario could be that future Barry died or got transformed or perhaps merged with someone? Dr. Wells?

Finally Eddie:
As mentioned above he seems to be the most likely candidate for the main RF. Perhaps a future version of him... I find it unlikely that his name is pure misdirection. I also don't believe the theories about RF being a descendant of his on the grounds that it would need to be someone that Barry would have immediately recognised and not just someone who vaguely resembled someone Barry knew. Hence the vibrating disguise... Perhaps Eobane is his middle name. Or Eddie is just a nickname...
At any rate, I assume he's going to get eventually shafted by Iris. Though hopefully this is not going to be the only explanation.
 
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I still have a problem with the Wells is Barry theory.

If Wells is Barry from the future, then wouldn't the Wells/future Barry in this timeline ceased to exist in the episode where Barry lost his power to Blackout and Gideon had no record of Barry or the Flash in the future?
 
I still have a problem with the Wells is Barry theory.

If Wells is Barry from the future, then wouldn't the Wells/future Barry in this timeline ceased to exist in the episode where Barry lost his power to Blackout and Gideon had no record of Barry or the Flash in the future?


The other problem is it would mean at some point Barry becomes a murderer.
 
Even though the Grood teases are cool I really hope they save his real apperence for Season 2. Right now its fine with him being in shadows and doing whatever it is he is doing. I just think this season still has a lot of Villain type storylines they still need to wrap up. The Rogues are still on the loose and they still have Reverse Flash running around causing havoc. Saving Grood for Season 2 is probably the right play right now.
 
Even though the Grood teases are cool I really hope they save his real apperence for Season 2. Right now its fine with him being in shadows and doing whatever it is he is doing. I just think this season still has a lot of Villain type storylines they still need to wrap up. The Rogues are still on the loose and they still have Reverse Flash running around causing havoc. Saving Grood for Season 2 is probably the right play right now.

I think Grodd will definitely have an episode towards the end of the season, but I fully expect him to come back with a vengeance in season 2.
 
The Flash Funko Pop! figures...Out in May.

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The other problem is it would mean at some point Barry becomes a murderer.

One more problem with "Wells is Future Barry" that everyone seems to be forgetting ... It's already been officially stated that Wells is a brand new character (i.e. never existed in the Flash universe before) created just for the TV show. It then follows that Wells can't be Barry, because Barry certainly is in no way a "new" character, no matter what part of the timeline he comes from.
 
That also makes him difficult to be Reverse Flash, though. Therefore, they could have been lying.
 
I took a screenshot from the teaser.

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I can't wait for Tuesday! Fallout preview.

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Love the Grood tease. This show really holds nothing back.
 
One more problem with "Wells is Future Barry" that everyone seems to be forgetting ... It's already been officially stated that Wells is a brand new character (i.e. never existed in the Flash universe before) created just for the TV show. It then follows that Wells can't be Barry, because Barry certainly is in no way a "new" character, no matter what part of the timeline he comes from.

They cant really say that Wells is an alternate name for an existing character from the beginning of the season. That is not something the shows producer will want to say since its the big surprise of Season 1. Also, even if Wells is RF or Eobard Thawne, it still does not change the fact that the name Wells is brand new and the representation of the character, (scientist, Barry's mentor, new name) is something new, so in that way what they said its not completely wrong.
 
Eobard Thawne being a scientist isn't something new. It's actually a big part of his character in the comic books but point taken.
 
I just thought of something:

Was it ever explained in the comics why Nora was killed?

I'm still hoping for some bigger twist there than simply revealing who the other speedster and/or killer was...

And one big question is: Why would the other speedster wanted Nora dead?
The simple answer is that, because her death sets Barry off on his way to becomming the Flash and the other speedster needs that to happen. However that's a paradox there. The other speedster would then only know about how Barry became the Flash after it already happened at least once. So who killed her initially?

So: What if neither of them is the killer? Maybe she was killed be a 3rd party, Barry learns about time travel and decides to go back to save her, while RF can't have that so he goes back NOT to kill her per se, but to prevent Barry from stopping the murder?

Or is this overthinking it?


And just for kicks another possibility: Nora was not the actual target. Child Barry was.
 
Was it ever explained in the comics why Nora was killed?

Because Reverse-Flash hates Barry, but he's from the future and dependent on him becoming Flash so he has to be precise. He wants to torture him, but has to keep him on that same path to becoming a CSI where he'd end up bathed in the chemicals. So he kills Nora and frames Henry so that he ends up in jail and Barry has a drive to prove his innocence. He also did other things, such as pushing Barry down the stairs as a kid, leading his dog into traffic, and preventing his childhood best friend from ever being born.
 
Because Reverse-Flash hates Barry, but he's from the future and dependent on him becoming Flash so he has to be precise. He wants to torture him, but has to keep him on that same path to becoming a CSI where he'd end up bathed in the chemicals. So he kills Nora and frames Henry so that he ends up in jail and Barry has a drive to prove his innocence. He also did other things, such as pushing Barry down the stairs as a kid, leading his dog into traffic, and preventing his childhood best friend from ever being born.


I love the Reverse Flash.
 
Grodd looks ok for a tv show, but I don't expect much, they don't have a blockbuster budget to do a gorilla army right, something epic a la Planet of the Apes. And Grodd is not really interesting as a character, the Rogues are better villains anyway.
 
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