The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 4

[Charlatan]

Interesting episode. Something made me wonder, though:

Spoiler

"To me, you've been dead for centuries."

And yet the future crisis date is in the 2020's (i think). So is Barry the cause of...whatever happens? How badly does this wreck the world? Is Wells going back in time to kill someone (from his perspective) who's created a huge body count and then disappeared? And if that's the case, what made Barry cause the crisis (if he did)?

I think that 2020 date is critical to Thawne because it may mark the death of one of his ancestors in a different timeline. Which would erase him in the future. It may be why he can't return until it's fixed. Yeah I know it's all very confusing but with parallel timelines and time time travel paradoxes can occur.

 

[Charlatan]

my biggest question is who the heck thought the name Eobard was a good one?

 

[Herolee10]

 

[TheSpectacular]

In the comics, Eobard Thawne was a Flash fanatic from the 25th century who travelled back to meet Barry.

 

[luis4u]

In the comics, Eobard Thawne was a Flash fanatic from the 25th century who travelled back to meet Barry.

That later got retcon by thawne himseft http://m.imgur.com/gallery/7QRcE

 

[Herolee10]

Anyone starting to see some similarities between this show and Raimi's first Spider-Man film in terms of dynamics?

1. Barry Allen=Peter Parker

2. Iris West=Mary Jane Watson

3. Eddie Thawn=Harry Osborn

4. Harrison Wells/Reverse Flash=Norman Osborn/Green Goblin

5. Joe West/Henry Allen=Uncle Ben

I mean you have Barry Allen, who's been in love with Iris West since they were kids (like Peter was with Mary Jane). And granted, while he wasn't childhood/best friends with Eddie, the latter has come to see him as a good friend.

We can expect to see Barry and Eddie clash because of the latter feeling betrayed by Iris's inability to stay faithful to her boyfriend. (much like Mary Jane.lol) Heck, what's eerily similar about this is that in the first film, Mary Jane had feelings for the persona of "Spider-Man" and "Peter Parker" while going out with Harry like how Iris had a thing for "The Flash" and "Barry" while going out with Eddie.....and like Mary Jane, she's pretty much the real low aspect of this series.

Then you have Harrison Wells who serves as Mentor figure to Peter, almost like a father figure, which is what Norman was like (in a way) to Peter. However like Norman, Harrison is actually Barry's biggest foe who's going to get inside Eddie's head later on in order to motivate him down a darker path like how Norman did with Harry.

Joe and Henry are the other (and more loving) father figures to Barry, with Henry serving up the tragic aspect that Uncle Ben comes with in Barry's life.

 

[vantheman77]

I can see the similarities between Flash and Spider-Man, but Flash needs to be its own thing. Barry came out first before Spider-Man did in October, 1956 thus igniting the Silver-Age.

 

[Charlus2]

Hi, guys, I have a question.

When Wells explained to Cisco how "he managed" to be in two places at the same time, he says it was beacause the residual image he left when moving really fast.

The thing is that when he escapes Cisco´s trap and starts moving around between those cops, and Joe and Eddie, while Harrison appears to me lying on the floor, Reverse Fash is all suited-up in yellow while Harrison is in his regular civilian clothes, so not only he would have to be moving real fast in order to make the others believe there are two different men, but he would have to be changing his clothes all the time...

That´s a little more hard to buy...

 

[Broseph44]

my biggest question is who the heck thought the name Eobard was a good one?

What a thrilling and meaningful question

 

[RetroNaz]

I also really loved the scene where he travelled back in time. The noise he makes when yelling was awesome, and the effect where he sees himself (tied back to the start of the episode) was really well done.

His reveal to Iris was also sweet.

I love this freaking show.

 

[TheSpectacular]

Hi, guys, I have a question.

When Wells explained to Cisco how "he managed" to be in two places at the same time, he says it was beacause the residual image he left when moving really fast.

The thing is that when he escapes Cisco´s trap and starts moving around between those cops, and Joe and Eddie, while Harrison appears to me lying on the floor, Reverse Fash is all suited-up in yellow while Harrison is in his regular civilian clothes, so not only he would have to be moving real fast in order to make the others believe there are two different men, but he would have to be changing his clothes all the time...

That´s a little more hard to buy...

 

[Charlus2]

I don´t get it. You agree with what I said or not?

 

[Broseph44]

Hi, guys, I have a question.

When Wells explained to Cisco how "he managed" to be in two places at the same time, he says it was beacause the residual image he left when moving really fast.

The thing is that when he escapes Cisco´s trap and starts moving around between those cops, and Joe and Eddie, while Harrison appears to me lying on the floor, Reverse Fash is all suited-up in yellow while Harrison is in his regular civilian clothes, so not only he would have to be moving real fast in order to make the others believe there are two different men, but he would have to be changing his clothes all the time...

That´s a little more hard to buy...

 

[Charlus2]

It was an honest questions. Where am I wrong? What am I missing?

 

[The Infernal]

It was an honest questions. Where am I wrong? What am I missing?

Maybe this will help.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30902147&postcount=826

 

[Charlus2]

I read it and I don´t see how that affects what I said, which, by the way, implies the information you pointed me out.

"RF can basically vibrate so fast that he can create a the optical illusion of being in two places at the same time."

I know it! What I intended to underline, is the fact that there is a difference between the time he shows the trick to Cisco in the last episode and the time he performed it in episode 9. This last time, Wells had to run from one place to the other while changing his clothes God knows how many times...Which I find pretty ridiculous.

Is like saying: "Look, Cisco, this is how I did it..." But the truth is that in episode 9 it was a whole different scenario.

 

[Boy Scout]

Don't think about it too hard.

 

[Charlus2]

Well, I do enjoy the show, but...

We are presented with some facts, convinced that some things simple cannot be, keep weeks arguing about it and then, look, don´t think too much about is, this is how it happened...

It´s like the whole Oliver´s death thing all over again. Yeah well, what a little cold and a will to survive can make, uh?

I get along, but for me it spoils it a little...

For one thing, Wells clothes (not the Reverse suit, but Harrison Well´s civilian clothes) would be destroyed with so many changes.

Am I being to picky? Well, the writers were the ones who decided to introduce that fact, when Barry took Felicity on a ride and her clothes started to burn. So I do nothing but go along with the logic the writers established, and I don´t like when they don´t stick to the premises they gave us.

 

[Ruseri]

Well, I do enjoy the show, but...

We are presented with some facts, convinced that some things simple cannot be, keep weeks arguing about it and then, look, don´t think too much about is, this is how it happened...

It´s like the whole Oliver´s death thing all over again. Yeah well, what a little cold and a will to survive can make, uh?

I get along, but for me it spoils it a little...

For one thing, Wells clothes (not the Reverse suit, but Harrison Well´s civilian clothes) would be destroyed with so many changes.

Am I being to picky? Well, the writers were the ones who decided to introduce that fact, when Barry took Felicity on a ride and her clothes started to burn. So I do nothing but go along with the logic the writers established, and I don´t like when they don´t stick to the premises they gave us.

They also showed us how quickly the ring he wears can materialize his costume. Basically like how Green Lantern's costume is a light construct formed by his ring, The Flash (and Reverse Flash) costumes are made of "speed force energy" (or something like that) in the comics, and Wells was shown applying his costume to it's mannequin with his ring. So he prob'ly doesn't remove his civilian clothes at all.

 

[DaJanksta]

So if Eobard is from centuries in the future where is the 2056 flash from the newspaper stuck at in time I wonder.

 

[Bren]

It was an honest questions. Where am I wrong? What am I missing?

This Broseph44 isn't the most positive 'character' on the forums from what I've seen - I'm more lurker than poster but imo he prefers to ridicule or be snide rather than just 'discuss'.

Based in his posting style, I predict no reply, or ridicule/snide response

That Captain Cold/Heatwave poster is lovely!!!

 

[Micromind]

I read it and I don´t see how that affects what I said, which, by the way, implies the information you pointed me out.

"RF can basically vibrate so fast that he can create a the optical illusion of being in two places at the same time."

I know it! What I intended to underline, is the fact that there is a difference between the time he shows the trick to Cisco in the last episode and the time he performed it in episode 9. This last time, Wells had to run from one place to the other while changing his clothes God knows how many times...Which I find pretty ridiculous.

Is like saying: "Look, Cisco, this is how I did it..." But the truth is that in episode 9 it was a whole different scenario.

It is not that difficult for a speedster to appear to be in two different places at the same time, Human vision stays in the brain for 1/16 th of a second, which means if a speedster like RF can stay in one place for a duration that is more than or equal to 1/16 th of a second, he can appear as an solid object, in the rest of the time available to him he can change clothes and move to a different location and stay there for another 1/16 seconds (and repeat the same thing again and again), not difficult if he can vibrate at a frequency of (say) 100 Hz. (100 cycles per second).

Hope this explanation helps.


Edit: In old Superman comics, Superman used this trick to show Superman and Clark Kent both at same time, and I'm sure that the Flash and RF are a lot faster than Superman, so if old Supes can manage to do this Flash (and RF) can do this easily.

 

[Broseph44]

It is not that difficult for a speedster to appear to be in two different places at the same time, Human vision stays in the brain for 1/16 th of a second, which means id a speedster like RF can stay in one place for a duration that is more than or equal to 1/16 th of a second, he can appear as an solid object, in the rest of the time available to him he can change clothes and move to a different location and stay there for another 1/16 seconds (and repeat the same thing again and again), not difficult if he can vibrate at a frequency of (say) 100 Hz. (100 cycles per second).

Hope this explanation helps.


Edit: In old Superman comics, Superman used this trick to show Superman and Clark Kent both at same time, and I'm sure that the Flash and RF are a lot faster than Superman, so if old Supes can manage to do this Flash (and RF) can do this easily.

Thank you sir exactly.

 

[gugumugats]

Speaking of two places at once.

Will the Rogue Time timeline have two versions of Barry Allen or did future Barry simply "replace" his past self?

I'm thinking that when Barry first traveled in time, he immediately created a brand new timeline in which he replaces the other Barry who remains in the "previous" timeline. The way I see it, there's only one Barry within one given timeline and the moment they saw each other, they're looking at another timeline within the same moment in time.

Time travel makes my head hurt.

 

[Micromind]

Speaking of two places at once.

Will the Rogue Time timeline have two versions of Barry Allen or did future Barry simply "replace" his past self?

I'm thinking that when Barry first traveled in time, he immediately created a brand new timeline in which he replaces the other Barry who remains in the "previous" timeline. The way I see it, there's only one Barry within one given timeline and the moment they saw each other, they're looking at another timeline within the same moment in time.

Time travel makes my head hurt.

Yup.

My take on this issue is if Barry from current time-line (who has time traveled into the past) does anything to interfere with the events occurring in that time, he immediately creates a new alternate time line, which means the older Barry ceases (as you ave mentioned) to exist, the events that are going to happen have not been witnessed by anyone yet.