The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 6

[Eni]

He spared her feeling like she wasn't good enough, for all these years. The lie in the first season was more annoying, because the reason they lied was to protect her. But since she constantly got into danger anyway, they should have just told her.

I disagree, being lied to about something as huge as your mother not being dead as you've been made to believe for years, can't simply be justified by Joe wanting to spare her some hurt feelings, if you want to talk about 'betrayal', lacking trust, and keeping her in the dark, then this is the perfect example. It is a much more legit reason to be pissed at someone than your friend not telling you about something he had to come to terms himself in the first place and wasn't really something she had any entitlement to now till later in the season, anyway.

 

[Eni]

I recently found out i had an older brother. My mother had given him to friends for adoption when he was a baby. It took me all of two seconds to forgive my mother for not telling me as i could understand her reasons. Holding a grudge would just be childish and make the situation worse.

I'm really glad for you in this case. That still doesn't mean that everybody will react like you, so...

Also, I'm pretty sure you probably had any kind of relationship with your mom before learning of it.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'm really glad for you in this case. That still doesn't mean that everybody will react like you, so...

Also, I'm pretty sure you probably had any kind of relationship with your mom before learning of it.

Very close like iris and her dad. I wasn't suggesting she forgive her mum.

 

[Eni]

Very close like iris and her dad. I wasn't suggesting she forgive her mum.

I see, I misunderstood you there.

 

[BH/HHH]

If they did show an Earth 2 Oliver I hope it would be a Crime Syndicate kinda version.

Oh that would rock

 

[Primal Slayer]

Next years cross-over should deal with the Crime Syndicate.

 

[vantheman77]

Next years cross-over should deal with the Crime Syndicate.

Crime Syndicate, eh? Maybe we can get Tom Welling as Ultraman?!

 

[ThePreface]

I'd prefer Flashpoint to Crime Syndicate. Flashpoint wouldn't just be the antithesis of the status quo like CS, it would take the status quo, choke slam it, then curb stomp it like American History X.

I'm still hoping for a scene of Robert Queen aka the Hood nonchalantly throwing Cupid off a building because she didn't answer his questions. And Barry or Ray being all like "wtf, man?"

 

[rashad]

Anybody ever wonder who the hell is financing all this tech at Star Labs? lol Seriously where is source of income. They come to work every morning. Who's giving them a paycheck. Random I know but it's just funny. I still love the show.

 

[Travesty]

I loved this episode. It feels like it's getting back in the same groove as S1. Damn, Zoom looks creepy as hell. I love his design.

Bahhh, this was a great episode.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[zenith16]

Anybody ever wonder who the hell is financing all this tech at Star Labs? lol Seriously where is source of income. They come to work every morning. Who's giving them a paycheck. Random I know but it's just funny. I still love the show.

some of us have been talking about it for a while now. even in place's you posted in where the flash is involved in this section . a bit late to the party but happy to have ya.

It's an easy fix with ray with out him have to be a main star guest/ re occurring appearance's will do. and he can still be the main star on legends . it's a simple fix and he gels well with the star labs team

 

[Sawyer]

Tony Todd voicing Zoom gives me JEJ/Darth Vader vibes.

 

[Boy Scout]

Crime Syndicate, eh? Maybe we can get Tom Welling as Ultraman?!

He'd catch so much **** for that.

 

[Broseph44]

Tony Todd voicing Zoom gives me JEJ/Darth Vader vibes.

Very much so and in both cases an awesome voice with an awesome character design which make for a badass character.

 

[Legendver2]

So judging from next week's promo, is Linda unofficially part of the team now?

 

[zenith16]

which linda? one's in jail (or should be) Man I must have missed something if the one that works with iris found out about them? I have to see this commercial/ promo.


ok I've seen it not sure what to think yet I
ll have to see more and if they tell her barry's the flash or she put's it together ether way this might be the end of her (earth one )as well too

 

[Avenging Angel]

I agree, the show has become pretty disappointing in this regard.

I think it was kind of to be expected, though, the powers Barry has make him pretty much invincible if he doesn't face off against just as powerful enemies, and the writers clearly intend to make the Flash not only about the Flash but focus a lot of their time and energy on the drama they can milk from the other characters. It's a pity that they keep turning Barry in an inept dummy along the way, though.

He relies too much on his team for help. It seems like he doesn't use his brain at all when in battles. So OOC from comics Barry. Can they show a hint that he can do one battle by himself? That would shake things up for once.

 

[Eni]

He relies too much on his team for help. It seems like he doesn't use his brain at all when in battles. So OOC from comics Barry. Can they show a hint that he can do one battle by himself? That would shake things up for once.

I think this show wants to rely too much on the side-characters. It's understandable in a way, Barry Allen's Flash is like ridiculously strong, on one hand due to his powers, on the others because he has the brain to come out on top of most confrontations - if they would portray him like this, he would be done with any of the villains he had to face so far (due to their level of threat) in like 2 seconds. So, yeah, Barry will stay this fumbling ooc for the writers' sake and isn't that depressing? XD

I mean, sure, most watchers don't know **** about the Flash, and they aren't bothered but for most people who know the actual Barry Allen, it is quite irksome.

This is much more Wally than Barry, which is fine, but why do they have to introduce a Wally West character then? They could have stuck to this one and just call him Wally from the beginning.

 

[zenith16]

I think this show wants to rely too much on the side-characters. It's understandable in a way, Barry Allen's Flash is like ridiculously strong, on one hand due to his powers, on the others because he has the brain to come out on top of most confrontations - if they would portray him like this, he would be done with any of the villains he had to face so far (due to their level of threat) in like 2 seconds. So, yeah, Barry will stay this fumbling ooc for the writers' sake and isn't that depressing? XD

I mean, sure, most watchers don't know **** about the Flash, and they aren't bothered but for most people who know the actual Barry Allen, it is quite irksome.

This is much more Wally than Barry, which is fine, but why do they have to introduce a Wally West character then? They could have stuck to this one and just call him Wally from the beginning.

the wally I don't remember ever seeing wally overly doubted him self this much as this live action verion of barry does with the word's "I can't do it. " and don't remember Barry doing this ether. they sort had cisco do the same with this episode til eaRTH 2 Dr. well's pushed him

they(the writers) are doing this cause the writers are trying to push it's his early years and they still have live action tv barry in the learning process of being a hero.

this like the early years of star trek where check off the ensign who flew the ship for captain Kirk was young ( the youngest of the officer's in that crew)and made the most noise when he was hurt or was in doubt cause the excuse was he was young and there for he was allowed to do so, according to the actor that played him and the writers of the star trek series.

to the writers they like to write heroes and leader's that overly doubtful of them selves as a source of inner conflict. It is interesting to them but it's not Alway reaching the audience in the way they want it too.

there's a sorta disconnect there. most likely to certain executions., kinda like when they keep over doing thing's with love triangles go to far in making character go too far with a bad chose or other plot's people have tried warn them about in comic's. but some of the writers chose not to listen to til they starting putting some of the same stuff in prime time tv and movies and they start seeing even people that aren't fan's of comic's but have given these thing a chance don't like those types of plots as well.


So the writer's are going through a learning experience as well . it's just ones they never expected as well also.

 

[Eni]

the wally I don't remember ever seeing wally overly doubted him self this much as this live action verion of barry does with the word's "I can't do it. " and don't remember Barry doing this ether. they sort had cisco do the same with this episode til eaRTH 2 Dr. well's pushed him

they(the writers) are doing this cause the writers are trying to push it's his early years and they still have live action tv barry in the learning process of being a hero.

this like the early years of star trek where check off the ensign who flew the ship for captain Kirk was young ( the youngest of the officer's in that crew)and made the most noise when he was hurt or was in doubt cause the excuse was he was young and there for he was allowed to do so, according to the actor that played him and the writers of the star trek series.

to the writers they like to write heroes and leader's that overly doubtful of them selves as a source of inner conflict. It is interesting to them but it's not Alway reaching the audience in the way they want it too.

there's a sorta disconnect there. kinda like when they keep over doing thing with love triangles or other plot people have tried warn them about in comic's but some of the writers chose not to listen to til they starting putting some stuff in tv and movies and they start seeing even people that aren't fan's of comic's don't like those plots as well. so the writer are going through a learning experience they never expected as well.

Well, I think this pretty amusing considering that none of the writers on the Flash show is a flat-out newb and all of them were actually working in this business before.

I think the writers just write what they like and wait to see what fans are willing to accept and what not. It's like them throwing shxx at the wall and watch which will stick.

Barry is behaving much too dumb, this has nothing to do with learning, like in this episode again, why choose Wells' advise over Jay's? He should know from experience he already made that he has to think things through better, than he can't just run in head first without considering the consequences. This is simply for laughs and for the plot to move on.
He is like 28 in the show, this are mistakes a teen would make, not someone who actually lived a rather tragic life at parts, he is working a job where it's not about his brawl but his brain, he seems to be capable of logical thinking but apparently chooses not to.
I think I would have less problems with this portrayal of Barry if it was like with Clark in the early seasons of Smallville, where he is nothing more than a teen, but Barry Allen is a grown up person, they just lack to portray him as such at times when it comes to his decision-making.
Also, his uncertainty is ridiculous, how he is unable to make a decision or face someone without one of the others holding his hands, and when he does, he will just be beaten to a pulp and has to crawl back to them to get help.

The same inability of the writers to really work with this character shows itself again and again in the portrayal of his powers. Why can't he phase through a hand? He can phase through a wall, after all. Why is he not able to doge punches from a non-super speed villain? Why is he unable to use his powers to the potential they've already been established too at times?
The reason is rather easy, he would have hardly any trouble with any of these villains and that would be boring, thus, why not dumb him down? Why not make him conveniently forget about what he can do?

And Wally West character trait's are all over this Barry Allen, he is a much more light-hearted, outgoing character, and he does a lot of stupid **** in his early run, which you can see here as well. He did have self-esteem issues, especially after taking over for Barry as the Flash after the crisis (but also as Kid Flash), but they were much more introverted (thankfully) than Barry displays them here.

 

[The Shape]

Best episode of the season so far. I honestly didn't want it to end.

My favorite episodes are ones like these, which actually push the main plot forward in big ways.

 

[Web-Head]

I think part of the reason they have Barry use the Star Labs team is because Arrow has a team also. But even Arrow did it more by himself at first.

 

[Nathan]

And he still wins most of his fights without anyone telling him through an ear piece, how to defeat the enemy. It is really annoying that Barry can't win fights without everyone and their grandma telling him what to do.

 

[HighFivingMF]

He has a team because people complained about narration in Arrow before Diggle joined up and they need to serve more of a purpose than just standing there so the main character can talk.