The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 7

[Da-Scribe]

We never saw his hair... look at the wrists, in the show and in photos posted by AV Club... he has darker skin and small wrists. It's totally Lonsdale's wrists.

Nah we definitely saw the hair on the back of his neck. Looked nothing like Wally...or a black guy.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

We never saw his hair... look at the wrists, in the show and in photos posted by AV Club... he has darker skin and small wrists. It's totally Lonsdale's wrists.

Except we did.

 

[UnKnownEntity]

i don't wanna say this with 100% certainty but these 2 photos i took from ep 14 makes me want to believe the "man in the iron mask" is in fact teddy sears.

what do you guys think?

it is also possible that it is eddie thawne. they both have a birth mark there.

edit:
this photo made me think it was another version of barry since he also has a birth mark there which is an exact match more than jay's
http://i.imgur.com/4RHSEA5.jpg

if it is barry then that makes me believe that zoom is none other than Henry allen even more but i wont get into that here and now i'm to tired.

 

[antsman41]

Except we did.

Well, **** me then.

Why do his hands look so dark then... are they using instagram filters in those scenes, ha?

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think he's just dirty lol.

 

[Still Wynning]

Another clue to add credence to the fact that it's the real Jay Garrick in the cell: the code he was using.

In a reaction video I watched, one of the reactors pointed out that the code was used during Vietnam by POWs to communicate from a biography he read.

Why is this important? Because Jay's father fought in the War of the Americas (Jay mentions it in episode 2) meaning he was a soldier, which means he would have known the code. Even though Jay may not have fought in the war himself, he could have learned the code from his father.

The person in the prison would have to have been a soldier on the war or knew one in order to have known that code, meaning that the person in the iron mask on the prison is most likely the real Jay Garrick.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Another clue to add credence to the fact that it's the real Jay Garrick in the cell: the code he was using.

In a reaction video I watched, one of the reactors pointed out that the code was used during Vietnam by POWs to communicate from a biography he read.

Why is this important? Because Jay's father fought in the War of the Americas (Jay mentions it in episode 2) meaning he was a soldier, which means he would have known the code. Even though Jay may not have fought in the war himself, he could have learned the code from his father.

The person in the prison would have to have been a soldier on the war or knew one in order to have known that code, meaning that the person in the iron mask on the prison is most likely the real Jay Garrick.

But Barry knows the code and he wasn't a POW and isn't associated with any to our knowledge.

 

[antsman41]

And who the hell is the 'Jay' we know?

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Barry telling the guy in the mask that he would come back for him was a dick move.

 

[Lencho01]

FLASH Facts: Barry Allen

FLASH Facts: Iris West

FLASH Facts: The Thawne Family And The Reverse Flashes

FLASH Facts: Team Flash

FLASH Facts: Atom Smasher

FLASH Facts: Jay Garrick

FLASH Facts: Captain Cold

FLASH Facts: Firestorm

FLASH Facts: Linda Park

FLASH Facts: Earth-2

FLASH Facts: Gorilla Grodd

FLASH Facts: Vandal Savage

FLASH Facts: Wally West Part 1

FLASH Facts: Wally West Part 2

FLASH Facts: The Turtle

FLASH Facts: Tina McGee and Patty Spivot

FLASH Facts: Tar Pit

FLASH Facts: Deadshot

FLASH Facts: Velocity 9

 

[SuperBatman]

Its going to be intersting to see how they explain all this and finding out who ZOom really is.

 

[Yellow Flash]

I think Jay Garrick is fake. I think Hunter Zolomon is posing as Jay Garrick. They hinted this when earth one "Jay" was actually Hunter Zolomon.

Here is my theory guys.

He was originally working for Zoom as Hunter Zolomon. His job was to use Hunter to steal Flashes powers (Since he is also a smart scientist). However, when that time came Hunter Zolomon betrayed Zoom and took the power for himself. Then he kept running and running (Just like Wells mentioned) from Zoom until the breach opened eventually landing him on earth one. However, the transfer of his powers did not last since he was not a natural speedster and his body rejected it resulting in his terminal illness.
Then he stayed in earth one and well you know the story after that. I think Hunter never planned to go back to Earth 2 until Zoom snatched him out before the portal closed.

 

[bes628]

Would it be possible to think that Zoom is not even a human being but some type of Monster ?

***** idk anymore. Zoom is a straight up savage.

 

[ernesth100]

Im beginning to think Zoom isnt anyone like you said. He's some sort of evil beast born of all the bad in the speed force

 

[superboy13]

Im beginning to think Zoom isnt anyone like you said. He's some sort of evil beast born of all the bad in the speed force

Wasn't there a shot of Zoom taking off his mask during one of the extended promos?

So, yeah, Zoom has to be someone.

 

[storm-x-fan]

The man in the iron mask kept tapping even when Barry was telling him Jay is alive, etc. What was he tapping then? Anyone figured out the code?

Something is fishy about Jay Garrick. I don't think he's Zoom, but I think he's not a good guy. Notice how he is standing so close to the breach at the end? It's like he *wants* Zoom to grab him, not that he knows Velocity-9 can fix him...

 

[SuperBatman]

I don't think the man in the Iron Man was tapping at all he was looking Frustrated that the Flash and Jesse wasn't getting the Message he was trying to give them. Or he was upset that Jay Garrick was on Earth 1.

Some points after rewatching the episode

After Jay tells Iris and Catylin that he needs to go take a nap Zoom shows up on Earth 2 and beats Barry up

Jay hardly comes to help Iris and Catylin when Geomancer is attacking Star labs.

In Fact he doesn't show up on Earth 1 again until Zoom leaves so its pretty fishy that either Jay Garrick is Zoom or he is involved.

But then comes the question of how Zoom and Jay Garrick are on different Earths at Different times we except in Flashbacks and the end of this episode have never seen Jay Garrick and Zoom in the same scene at the Same time and for all we know Jay Garrick could've been making that whole Flashback up.

 

[SpideyVille]

Has the name "Edward Clariss" come up yet?

 

[Avenging Angel]

Jay not being there for Iris and Caitlin during the attack was a big tell. How could you nap during an earthquake? How come they didn't suspect it either?

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Probably because Jay was been in the room with them while Zoom was beating the **** out of Barry. Didn't Reverse Flash use speed doubles already in the show? Maybe that's what's going on.

 

[stillanerd]

I'm also leaning into the camp that the Man in the Iron Mask is the real Jay Garrick of Earth-2, and that the Jay Garrick we've come to know and love is really Hunter Zolomon of Earth-2. I also think the notion that, if that theory is true, then the real Jay and Earth-2 Hunter are identical twins. Perhaps, when Jay on Earth-2 became the Flash, Hunter became jealous of his brother for getting powers while he didn't. So Zoom approached Hunter and told him "I can give you all the speed you want if you help me take out your brother." So Hunter did, took his brother's place by pretending to be the Flash, and Zoom gave Hunter Velocity-6 to mimic Jay's speed. But of course, since Velocity-6 is only a temporary boost and highly addictive, Hunter had to keep coming back to Zoom for more, but only if Hunter did what Zoom told him to do. Like go to Earth-1 and infiltrate Team Flash as Zoom's spy and gain their trust. But of course, Hunter has come to genuinely like Team Flash, especially Caitlin, but he can't tell them he's not the real Jay Garrick or that he's working for Zoom.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe "Jay" is Zolomon but not his brother, and Wells has never met the real Garrick before but only the person he thought was Garrick, which was Zolomon. Maybe the man in the iron mask is the real Jay, who is played by a completely separate actor, or maybe by John Wesley Shipp. Maybe E2 Henry Allen looks different. Just because Barry saw "dad and mom" on his speed dial, he might have assumed Henry was exactly the same. Did we ever see photos of him?

 

[mr. peasant]

Colour me weird but I feel the show is setting Jay up as Zoom; either as a misdirect or as deliberate foreshadowing. Think about it - the show has straight up said that Jay Garrick (Earth-2) is Hunter Zolomon (Earth-1). And Hunter Zolomon is Zoom in the comics. Now, with the Man In The Mask spelling J-A-Y, it strikes me as some pretty heavy-handed clues towards Jay being Zoom.

Perhaps Zoom is a future version of Jay who's been corrupted by Zoom/himself after getting snatched back through the portal at the end of Episode 14. Somewhat something like a self-fulfilling prophecy by Zoom to engineer his own existence.

 

[ernesth100]

Im wonder when Jesse and Wally are gonna be up as Speedsters.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Colour me weird but I feel the show is setting Jay up as Zoom; either as a misdirect or as deliberate foreshadowing. Think about it - the show has straight up said that Jay Garrick (Earth-2) is Hunter Zolomon (Earth-1). And Hunter Zolomon is Zoom in the comics. Now, with the Man In The Mask spelling J-A-Y, it strikes me as some pretty heavy-handed clues towards Jay being Zoom.

Perhaps Zoom is a future version of Jay who's been corrupted by Zoom/himself after getting snatched back through the portal at the end of Episode 14. Somewhat something like a self-fulfilling prophecy by Zoom to engineer his own existence.

Something along these lines is what I am thinking. Jay was a good guy but he comes to E-1 and loses his powers. Thus starts his obsession with regaining his speed and getting faster. The V-9 in his system starts a process where he either becomes addicted to Speed Force or needs it to live. But this happens in his timeline after he's brought into the breach.