The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[Lencho01]

CW’s DC Crossover Producers Tease the Repercussions of ‘Invasion!’ (SPOILERS)

 

[The Caped Knight]

CW’s DC Crossover Producers Tease the Repercussions of ‘Invasion!’ (SPOILERS)

Spoiler

[BLACKOUT]What will be the repercussions, or fallout, in the upcoming episodes?

Kreisberg: As far as “Flash” is concerned, in Episode 7 Cisco and Barry were probably at their lowest point — because Cisco learned that Dante had died as a result of Flashpoint. Their friendship has been renewed through the course of these episodes, and when we come back in Episode 9 Team Flash is in a really good place. They need to be, because they’re going to confront Savitar in Episode 9.

With “Supergirl,” it doesn’t really have that big an impact. She’s the one who brought the light. It was really Barry and Oliver who had to go on a journey, and she brought the fun and charm and kicka–ness.

Would you consider this the button on Flashpoint, or will there continue to be more ramifications going forward?

Kreisberg: There’s a villain coming up that’s another one of those husk villains created by Alchemy, so there’s that to deal with. The mid-season finale, Episode 9, kinda creates a new problem for our heroes that they weren’t anticipating — something that they’ve never faced before. Flashpoint won’t loom as large as the challenge that presents itself in Episode 9.

Was the message that Barry sent from the future talking about Flashpoint, or was it about more changes he makes sometime in the future?

Kreisberg: The message from the future relates to Flashpoint, but it also may relate to something else coming up.

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[ZIPBAGS]

That, and they are theoretically potentially faster than he is

And this is why I didn't want them to be introduced yet. Too early in Barry's career as the Flash and it diminish's him. Since they seem to make every speedster faster than him.

 

[Legendver2]

And at the start of the season, Cisco was also pissed off because Barry (from the alternate timeline) refused to go back in time and save Dante in the first place.

Like Oliver said, anyone who was in Barry's situation would have done the same thing.

Was it ever clarified that the team can differentiate between pre- and post-Flashpoint Barry? Maybe if they understood that this is a more or less new Barry, it would make it more understanding? If not, then it really seems Cisco is pissed because Barry didn't go back to save his brother, but went back to save his own mom, which caused his brother to die. That angle makes more sense and portrays Barry as more of the hypocrite. It also begs how different is post-Flashpoint timeline compared to OG. Did the team also approve of Barry going back to save his mom in post-Flashpoint timeline like they did in OG? It makes even less sense for Cisco to be mad if Barry did exactly that since they were supportive of it before.

 

[Matt]

Did anyone else find it odd that the President of the United States was killed off as an afterthought with virtually no repercussions? I mean, since it would seem that the alien invasion is going to be covered up, how does that even get explained to the public?

 

[Dr Lee]

pretzel?

 

[The Shape]

Did anyone else find it odd that the President of the United States was killed off as an afterthought with virtually no repercussions? I mean, since it would seem that the alien invasion is going to be covered up, how does that even get explained to the public?

Yup, but that was probably the least-stupid thing about these episodes.

The Flash S3 overall has been very disappointing.

 

[Thome216]

Well I'm not saying that Cisco didn't have a right to be angry at Barry, but the way that he expressed it went way overboard.

If Cisco had any maturity, he would have at least held off his emotional feelings until the Alien Invasion was over. Instead, he constantly kept reminding everyone on how he didn't like Barry anymore and how Barry shouldn't be trusted.

To be fair, Cisco really only brought it up himself just once, and that was about the future recording. The other instances were people asking him about it and trying to pressure him to get passed it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Did anyone else find it odd that the President of the United States was killed off as an afterthought with virtually no repercussions? I mean, since it would seem that the alien invasion is going to be covered up, how does that even get explained to the public?

The other more pressing matters trumped that.

 

[Herolee10]

Does anyone else feel like they've made Cisco's overpowered by now giving him the ability to just touch anything and see past, present and future events? Before he could only see things if something in time had changed or if it had something to do with other earths.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Did anyone else find it odd that the President of the United States was killed off as an afterthought with virtually no repercussions? I mean, since it would seem that the alien invasion is going to be covered up, how does that even get explained to the public?

I wanna know how they cover up the alien ship floating in the sky, the aliens clearly seen in the streets... Oh, wait... The writers on these shows don't give a **** about quality and consistency in the least and it seems neither do the majority of people who watch it.

The truth is at this point, all of us that are fans of these characters but keep getting disappointed by these shows need to walk away. Just walk away. There's nothing here to see that's worthwhile. Anything that has a smidge of quality to it is going to be overshadowed by everything else. Others enjoy it and it may bring some new fans into the fold but for those that keep hoping things will improve... They ain't. Move on.

 

[zenith16]

Does anyone else feel like they've made Cisco's overpowered by now giving him the ability to just touch anything and see past, present and future events? Before he could only see things if something in time had changed or if it had something to do with other earths.

he's had that ability since last season of season 2


Cisco can make portals to other universe's along with his original vibrational wave powers which in the books that was used to sense and track down boom tubes opening's which were the original of his powers. the only difference is in the books he was just earth shaker like quake and knew how track portals

But in this show he's shown psychometric the ability to see things via touching an object's that belong to another person and has shown pisonic ability to telepathically speak to someone like zoom and and an alien .

it seem's Cisco's powers seem to be psionic in nature here on the show and broad spectrum psionic's at that and seeing how often he's practicing he may surpass super girls j'onn cause he's constantly practicing while super girl's J'onn is very rusty and isn't as skilled all cause J'onn isn't practicing his psionic's all due to fear of white martian's finding him in masses

as to this I'm kinda fine with cause I don't like hearing the excuse that supergirl team or people that help on her earth are too powerful and it being used as the excuse to keep the earths separate. the more on level/ par they are with each other the better.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/02/spoiler-room-once-upon-time-chicago-fire-supergirl

So how is H.R.’s Wally-training going to go on The Flash? — Pang

As you can probably guess, it won’t go very well. But H.R. will certainly give it the good old college try. “What I love about this version of Wells, and he’s said it himself before, but we actually show it rather than just tell it, he is a genius in his own way,” EP Andrew Kreisberg says. “He has the capacity to see other people’s talent and how to mine it and how to grow it. He sees that in Wally. Like he says in an upcoming episode, there’s nothing in it for him to help Wally, but he sees that Wally is special and that’s where he can shine, in helping other people discover their own value and helping other people develop their own gifts.”

 

[metaphysician]

Btw, this is how Barry should have responded to Cisco's piss poor behavior throughout the Crossover.lol

Indeed. Barry should have said something along the lines of "I'm sorry your brother got killed in an accident. But, you know who else died? My parents. Who were murdered. And I could have stopped their murders, which I know because I *did* stop their murders. You know why they are dead now? Because I specifically tried to put things back, which involved letting them both be murdered again."

 

[metaphysician]

Does anyone else feel like they've made Cisco's overpowered by now giving him the ability to just touch anything and see past, present and future events? Before he could only see things if something in time had changed or if it had something to do with other earths.

Eh, not really. Especially since it seems like Cisco was being a touch dramatic. Sure, he can see past and future and present events. . . but not *all* the past and present and future. He basically can see stuff that's plot relevant, and that's it.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Barry takes too many jabs to the heart. He allows people bully him into feeling guilty. Cisco takes no responsibility for his own actions and criticizes others for the same mistakes he makes. I've really had with this character. I do think they are giving him way too much screen time. Nothing is really developed he's turning into a massive jerk. He and Iris are selfish in their own way.

 

[Primal Slayer]

What all has Cisco changed to save his family and whose death has he caused?

 

[Dr Lee]

What all has Cisco changed to save his family and whose death has he caused?

Spoiler

In the Legends part of the cross over, Cisco went with the waverider back in time to capture one of the 'Dominators' to try and get information out of it. Long story short, Men in Black capture the LoT team that went back & the alien, torturing the latter. Cisco & Felicity had gone with them (Because... time Travel, Duh!) and they rescue the team. Cisco then decides to rescue the Dominator in the hope he can then help them in the future.... only it turns out the one he rescued is the one leading the charge. He'd tried to do the right thing only to make things worse... and technically, Cisco got the President of the United States killed in the same way Barry got Dante killed.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Spoiler

In the Legends part of the cross over, Cisco went with the waverider back in time to capture one of the 'Dominators' to try and get information out of it. Long story short, Men in Black capture the LoT team that went back & the alien, torturing the latter. Cisco & Felicity had gone with them (Because... time Travel, Duh!) and they rescue the team. Cisco then decides to rescue the Dominator in the hope he can then help them in the future.... only it turns out the one he rescued is the one leading the charge. He'd tried to do the right thing only to make things worse... and technically, Cisco got the President of the United States killed in the same way Barry got Dante killed.

And that's awesome, because now he has first hand experience in how tricky messing with the timeline can be and therefore he'll be more willing to cut Barry a break.

What Barry did was selfish and human, but it wasn't malicious. And that's what Cisco derived from that experience in LoT.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Spoiler

In the Legends part of the cross over, Cisco went with the waverider back in time to capture one of the 'Dominators' to try and get information out of it. Long story short, Men in Black capture the LoT team that went back & the alien, torturing the latter. Cisco & Felicity had gone with them (Because... time Travel, Duh!) and they rescue the team. Cisco then decides to rescue the Dominator in the hope he can then help them in the future.... only it turns out the one he rescued is the one leading the charge. He'd tried to do the right thing only to make things worse... and technically, Cisco got the President of the United States killed in the same way Barry got Dante killed.

Were we supposed to assume that all of this was caused by them traveling to the past? Cause if so i didn't take it that.

 

[Primal Slayer]

And that's awesome, because now he has first hand experience in how tricky messing with the timeline can be and therefore he'll be more willing to cut Barry a break.

What Barry did was selfish and human, but it wasn't malicious. And that's what Cisco derived from that experience in LoT.

Barry has gone back multiple times and been told multiple times. This isn't his first time.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Yup, LoT, Cisco, Felicity went time traveling. Instead of letting events unfold the way they should have Cisco felt that the right thing to do was to let the captured Dominator go. That same Dominator held a grudge and went for the metabomb as a first resort.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Barry has gone back multiple times and been told multiple times. This isn't his first time.

I'm talking about Cisco not Barry, he got to experience how sensitive time travel can be. Any little change, even with the best of intentions, can backfire really badly.

 

[Slade W]

I have missed episodes, so maybe there is an important detail I am not aware of, but Cisco went back to try to stop the aliens. Isn't the main reason that people are upset at Barry because he went back to save his mother which resulted in all of the changes in the timeline that people are not happy about? While I can understand why he did it, it would be considered a more selfish reason for time-traveling than Cisco's reason.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It's a nice idea to create a parallel. The problem I have is Cisco only went back in time because of the invasion he caused by going back in time. I'm fine with a good predestination paradox, but it sort of leads to the implication that he's supposed to go back in time, not that he created an aberration by doing so.