The Flash just now aired,so I don't see the problem of contradicting anything in MOS.
Arrow fits the same mold as Batman.An urban myth.If Batman can have existed for 10 years or so dealing with his regular rogues gallery without notice,Arrow shouldn't have much problem doing the same in his little corner of the universe.
We were talking about MOS having Superman be the first super. Going the opposite direction, you have Det. West going on about how "There is no controlling the weather" and decrying Barry's description of the supernatural as the musings of a scared little boy. Dr. Snow sees superpowers and says "that's not possible."
This is all nitpicky little detail stuff, that should be unnecessary. The thrust of the themes in both cases is to present the world's first public superhero with super powers and show how that incredible revelation changes the world around him. I shouldn't have to go into detail to point out the dialogue that describes it as so, because the storytellers did a great job of communicating that through the themes and settings and the reactions of the characters, and without that element, both stories lose part of their power. But I do have to, which says a lot about how far we are willing to go for a crossover.
Have you guys seen the new Batmobile? I don't think this Batman is an urban myth.
I've seen it, but I'm not a citizen of Gotham City, so I can't really draw any conclusions about what they have or haven't seen of it, much less what conclusions they've drawn.
Ha, an interesting question, because I've loved a lot of cheesy shows over the years. Honestly, the TYPE of cheese really matters for me, I think. There's a type of cheese that comes from predictability and lack of imagination, and then there's a more knowing type of cheese and camp that doesn't hide from the cliches, basically says, "yeah, we're just gonna gonna go for it," but is otherwise surrounded by a lot of imagination and personality. I feel like in the Buffy days in particular, Joss Whedon was the master of the latter, expertly subverting cliches one minute and yet other times fully embracing them when the time was right.
I dunno, there's a certain type of cheese that always works for me because I feel like the writers are really clever, inventive people who know exactly what they're doing, but the majority of the time it feels like shows are cheesy not because they're going for it, but because they don't know how to do it and NOT be cheesy. If that makes any sense, lol. Arrow has always felt like the latter to me, which is probably why I've never really warmed up to it.
That's real interesting. I don't pick up cheese in some of the stuff you do, so it kinda throws me, but it makes sense. I think it's because I don't predict stuff, or maybe I just read predictability as familiarity rather than lack of imagination. Not sure. Interesting though.
I really don't think it would take much retconning. Like Travesty said, they could just pass it off as the world discovering that aliens exist, not that superheroes are real. And at least at the end of the Flash pilot, the general public is not aware of his existence. And it looks like it might stay that way for at least a little bit before people realize it, based on next week's preview. So you could say that Barry started operating a week or so before the Smallville and Metropolis battes of MOS (which all occurred in a day or two, I think), and then the whole "who is the first public superhero" question is answered.
It's a moot point anyway; it's not going to happen. I just think it wouldn't be hard to make it work.
I had considered that idea 'what if they just happen at the same time.' And while that might work on a technical level (still not okay with Barry being busy while the world is ending), you've undermined both events thematically as in the world each is building, these characters are seeing the first superhuman, but we're cleverly making it so that they aren't, and they're reactions, instead of being reflective of the world changing, are just reflective of their ignorance of a separate property in the same universe.
This is also how Marvel dealt with the issue in Phase I, having 'Fury's Big Week' with Thor, The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man II all during the same time frame. It works better there because there is no theme of 'this is the world's first superhero' Iron Man already threw that out in the end credits. There's no "their mere existence changes everything" theme, so when you make it so that their existence doesn't actually change anything, you're not undermining the film in Marvel's case... it's not the same barrel of apples with The Flash and Man of Steel.
