The Flash The flash season 2 episode 18

[zenith16]

A thought just occurred to me, The "Jay" we've been seeing this season said he got his helmet from his father, the extended promo shows Jay giving his helmet to a kid, what if Zoom/Zolomon is the real Jay Garrick's son somehow?

it's possible but we don't know how much was he truth with him. we'll have to see but it's very possible and likely. Or it's the other way around an he was remembering he gave his son that.

We'll find out this coming episode.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

A thought just occurred to me, The "Jay" we've been seeing this season said he got his helmet from his father, the extended promo shows Jay giving his helmet to a kid, what if Zoom/Zolomon is the real Jay Garrick's son somehow?

I think the child IS Jay ...
and Jay and zoom are the same person

Jay traveled back in time to same himself from his condition, and accidentaly changed his whole life, eventually turning his younger self into zoom

I already posted this better explained in the previous page of the thread

 

[Dark Raven]

This thread needs the episode title.

Didn't Caitlin see someone who was Jay's doppelganger, who was explained to be Hunter Zolomon? He was on earth 1. Why don't team Flash try to find him in light of all the events?

 

[zenith16]

This thread needs the episode title.

Didn't Caitlin see someone who was Jay's doppelganger, who was explained to be Hunter Zolomon? He was on earth 1. Why don't team Flash try to find him in light of all the events?

cause she believed every word he said about him zolomon being normal and noth bothering to ask him any thing and what she said about velocity 9 to jay saying the latter version of the serums was curing him is also contrary to what she told barry, when it was actually 6 that was killing jay. but she said it was 9 .

To me it seems she's ether messed up about the who situation About jay supposedly dying or the writers have some wire's cross with her explanation's where Jay was involved, and in what he told herwith zolomon and what she told others with the different versions of the velocity serum.

 

[zenith16]

Got some photo's and looks who's in danger. I also put it in spoiler tags too

LOOK: NEW "THE FLASH" PHOTOS TEASE MAJOR REVELATION, CHARACTER AT RISK

Three spoilery new photos from "Versus Zoom" show a major character at Zoom's mercy.

Spoiler

In "Versus Zoom," another character will learn Barry's secret. Several spoilery new photos from the next episode of "The Flash" show Wally West looking an unmasked Barry Allen straight in the eye. The unfortunate Wally, who hangs perilously in Zoom's clutches, appears quite surprised to see Barry and Iris on the other side of Zoom's wrath.
LOOK: Zoom Stands Unmasked Before the Team in New "The Flash" Photos​

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BARRY IS READY TO FACE ZOOM; HUNTER ZOLOMAN’S STORY IS REVEALED – Equipped with the tachyon device, Barry (Grant Gustin) believes he is fast enough to stop Zoom (guest star[COLOR=#1B8EDE !important]Teddy[/COLOR] Sears) and wants to open the breaches to catch him. [COLOR=#1B8EDE !important]Harry[/COLOR] (Tom Cavanagh) strongly advises against that plan but after Barry convinces him, Harry reveals that Cisco (Carlos Valdes) has the power to re-open the breach. Meanwhile, Hunter Zoloman’s (Teddy Sears) painful story on Earth-2 is revealed. Stefan Pleszcynski directed the episode written by Joe Peracchio & David Kob (#218).​

Starring Grant Gustin, Carlos Valdes and Jesse L. Martin, "The Flash" returns Tuesday, April 18 at 8 pm EST on The CW.​

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[Web-Head]

Spoiler

https://twitter.com/grantgust/status/718649081506045952

 

[Avenging Angel]

Nice subtly there Grant. Way to spoiler it even more.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Are we actually back?

 

[Web-Head]

Whaaat?!? A lot to take in this episode

 

[regnak]

Great plans Team Flash. You couldn't ko Zoom while he was snared(at least try) and I am sure nothing can go wrong with giving more power to a serial killer.

 

[Rowen]

This episode was awesome I still can't believe that jay is zoom. I like zooms black out fit with blue lightening.

 

[BestGirl]

Barry must be the world's biggest frigging idiot, opening the breach between Earths One and Two even though Zoom was contained on Two and he was warned against it. Now Zoom can rampage wherever he pleases.

Zoom is somehow less intimidating now that I know Jay is the one behind the mask. I wish Henry Allen had been Zoom.

Other than those things, I really liked the episode. It had a certain tension to it, the kind that comes out whenever Barry faces an archnemesis.

 

[samsnee]

I still don't get the time double thing. So Jay went to the past and convinced his past double to come to the future so he could kill himself?

Also the beginning of the episode set up the crossover with the Supergirl episode. Kind of wish Barry mentioned it when he got back a few seconds later.

 

[Guts]

Zoom said that he's not fast enough to make a speed mirage, but earlier this season Barry did a speed mirage and the season so far has focused on Barry becoming just as fast as Zoom

 

[Web-Head]

Zoom said that he's not fast enough to make a speed mirage, but earlier this season Barry did a speed mirage and the season so far has focused on Barry becoming just as fast as Zoom

I'm pretty sure Zoom is faster than the Reverse Flash too.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Zoom said that he's not fast enough to make a speed mirage, but earlier this season Barry did a speed mirage and the season so far has focused on Barry becoming just as fast as Zoom

I think he meant not fast enough to use a speed mirage to be on two Earth's at once, not that he's not fast enough to use one at all.

 

[zenith16]

I'm pretty sure Zoom is faster than the Reverse Flash too.

no he used a time Remanent cause a speed mirage can't act as a sentient person acting on it's own free will . but a Remanent which similar to a pisonic Echo (via x-men AND MARVEL OVER ALL) can. a mirage isn't possible to act two earths at once.

the person will have to be present and that's not possible to do, between two earth. unless you can literally multiply .

I still don't get the time double thing. So Jay went to the past and convinced his past double to come to the future so he could kill himself?

Also the beginning of the episode set up the crossover with the Supergirl episode. Kind of wish Barry mentioned it when he got back a few seconds later.

yeah its similar to a psionic echo like with some people that travel through the asral plane with their psionic powers. I guess for speedsters with time travel a piece of them is left in the time stream like a copy trapped in the time stream and it's sentient . I do under stand it but I have a feeling no matter how i explain there's always some that will be confused. it's just a copy of that person in trapped in the time stream.

 

[zenith16]

Barry must be the world's biggest frigging idiot, opening the breach between Earths One and Two even though Zoom was contained on Two and he was warned against it. Now Zoom can rampage wherever he pleases.

Zoom is somehow less intimidating now that I know Jay is the one behind the mask. I wish Henry Allen had been Zoom.

Other than those things, I really liked the episode. It had a certain tension to it, the kind that comes out whenever Barry faces an archnemesis.

well we have to remember though Barry did give hope to the man in the iron mask that he'd return to rescue him he'd have to come back some time .

Did he play into zoom's hand? yes sadly that was the case. but there three things he promised that poor victim he'd rescue him. he has to honor it. and that person life is in danger.

Also there's the other earth(2) is in danger as well. there were just other factors.

The problem is there just wasn't much of plan to deal with zoom once they were face to face yet again, that was Barry and team flash's issue there.


yeah the problem is Barry isn't much of a strategist (crime fighter) yet.

 

[zenith16]

the thing I found interesting is that Cisco went from simple precog(where t5he multiverse ins involved), to what looks like psychometric (seeing people via objects that other person owned or touched), to what seem like version of telepathy added with his vibrational powers and now he can open breach's with his vibration powers .

the original vibe was mostly like (quake from marvel) only reason he can sense portals, like specifically only boom tubes was cause a boom tube gave him his powers.

So he can sense them cause they were the source of his powers . this other stuff where he's showing large scale psion9ic powers is interesting & new territory

 

[Hazexander]

Ok so i have a theory after seeing this episode of who the man in the iron mask is i think ir is earth 2 Wally West becuz once i saw earth 1 wally locked Up next yo him their build looked similar and now we no there Jay was not earth 2 Flash he was on y pretending to be a hero so u have to think who is the real flash on earth 2 and since they said we wont get the reveal of the man in the mask til the last episode i think ir would be a nice setup for it to be wally goinh into season3 also hunter zolomon is a wally west villian so it would make sense that wally is the flash of earth 2

 

[zenith16]

Ok so i have a theory after seeing this episode of who the man in the iron mask is i think ir is earth 2 Wally West becuz once i saw earth 1 wally locked Up next yo him their build looked similar and now we no there Jay was not earth 2 Flash he was on y pretending to be a hero so u have to think who is the real flash on earth 2 and since they said we wont get the reveal of the man in the mask til the last episode i think ir would be a nice setup for it to be wally goinh into season3

lol then they did alot to throw us off prior cause they had the mole on jay's neck prior when barry and jessy trapped with him and that was white dude.

it just mean guess they were trying make up their mind on who they want it to be cause they really wan o throw people of and still surprise people.

anyway it's possible cause of joe mentioning that, ( and the writers/ show runners are a bit weird.) and That it is earth 2 wally.

But again and I've said this before during the earth event. why didn't earth 2 iris and joe not mention him. with how thing turned out over there with barry's mother still alive, and with earth 2 henry, shouldn't that mean earth 2 wally should have been raised by joe?

thing's shouldn't played out that way where those two have no knowledge of him. you know?

 

[El Seven]

OK, I love The Flash but what the hell did I just watch? Things I either missed or that didn't add up:

1. Was this not meant to be the episode where Barry visits Supergirl? If so, did they really spend the first 15 minutes and change of the episode wondering how to open another breach when Barry literally just got back from another Earth and said nothing?

2. Is Jay Garrick just a completely fictitious persona that HZ made up after the breach opened? We know that HZ of Earth 1 is a regular guy, and we know HZ of Earth 2 is nuts, but didn't "Jay" have a history with Harry on Earth 2 prior to the breach opening? Was HZ just parading around on Earth 2 as "Jay"/The Flash because of boredom or is there a 3rd individual with HZ's face on Earth 2 who's actually named Jay? (My head hurts after typing that one).

3. If HZ can time-travel, why not just stop himself from taking the original Velocity 6 and keep from getting sick in the first place?

4. So... he convinced a earlier version of himself to commit suicide in the future? That's their actual explanation?

There were other WTF moments but those were the ones that stuck out the most.

 

[Legendver2]

I don't understand why Barry can't jump into Earth-2 instead and contain things there instead of inviting Zoom into Earth-1? And we know he is faster than Zoom now with the tachyon boost, so why didn't he go after him after Zoom released Wally. They were all just standing there like idiots

 

[El Seven]

I don't understand why Barry can't jump into Earth-2 instead and contain things there instead of inviting Zoom into Earth-1? And we know he is faster than Zoom now with the tachyon boost, so why didn't he go after him after Zoom released Wally. They were all just standing there like idiots

A valid point. I also don't recall the breach staying open after Zoom arrived, but, I was already distracted by other nitpicks, so I may have missed it.

 

[zenith16]

OK, I love The Flash but what the hell did I just watch? Things I either missed or that didn't add up:

1. Was this not meant to be the episode where Barry visits Supergirl? If so, did they really spend the first 15 minutes and change of the episode wondering how to open another breach when Barry literally just got back from another Earth and said nothing?

there was serious mess up in schedule inthe cw this year according to my sister, and it'll be a while ,but we will see barry make the trip to earth end up on super girls earth and still head there to earth 2 and back.

2. Is Jay Garrick just a completely fictitious persona that HZ made up after the breach opened? We know that HZ of Earth 1 is a regular guy, and we know HZ of Earth 2 is nuts, but didn't "Jay" have a history with Harry on Earth 2 prior to the breach opening? Was HZ just parading around on Earth 2 as "Jay"/The Flash because of boredom or is there a 3rd individual with HZ's face on Earth 2 who's actually named Jay? (My head hurts after typing that one).

let just wait it's possible Jay is ether made up alias like in small ville or the man inthe iron mask is the real one .

3. If HZ can time-travel, why not just stop himself from taking the original Velocity 6 and keep from getting sick in the first place?

cause that's not how villains think he did kill his version of cisco and he was there waiting for weeks after that stupid mistake.

4. So... he convinced a earlier version of himself to commit suicide in the future? That's their actual explanation?

technically he convinced an ehco(it's an entity spawned from the time stream ) not his actual past self. if it was his true past self he shouldn't exist ether after his past self death.

There were other WTF moments but those were the ones that stuck out the most.

yeah well your head will hurt more so I'll have to be careful with the explanations