The Flash The flash season 2 episode 17 "Flash Back"

[Spider-Aziz]

Bad guy travels back in time, the mess made is his work.
=> agree ( you're talking about Eobard killing Barry's mother right ? )

Yep, as a prime example from this series.

Good guy travels back in time to fix a mess or change something competently, a bigger mess happens.
=> save for this episode, nothing drastic happened when Flash went back.

That's why I like this change.

Except for when Booster Gold does it.
=> I don't know who Booster Gold really is only that he is a guy who stole stuff to become a hero, I saw him a long time ago in a Justice League TV show.

What you know of him is intact.
He is also from the century of Eobard Thawne.
Wonder if a comic ever dealt with that, none of Flash comics had that.

Note 2 : I was more annoyed by Flash wanting to do good ( to the point of being careless and dumb ) than the null effect when he came back.

Why does barry take stupid pills everytime he time travels? Also why was first season star labs team ok with two barrys n the discovery of time travel?

He was pretty cautious in this episode, more than usual.
I guess Star Labs were ok just to not exceed the scheduled episode time, and budget.

 

[Avenging Angel]

The only things really worth noting about the episode were the doppelganger scene, Hartley, Thawne and Barry finally outwitting him.

I think this show needs to really think before they recycle old plots from what Barry did in Earth 2. This was their attempt at an homage to Back to the Future, it was just OK. It makes me miss season 1 due to how fresh everything was.

It wouldn't hurt if the show came back in season 3 with a more lighter tone. It's trying way too hard to be X-Men.

 

[Avenging Angel]

lol that Barry Barry fight really was some bad CGI. Maybe the worst i have seen on this show. That was like ps2 level looking.

It was horrible, I admit I laughed really loud.

 

[samsnee]

Is there a reason why time wraiths late wearing flash like costumes?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Is there a reason why time wraiths late wearing flash like costumes?

I don't recall a reason, but that was definitely a very interesting choice for their look, have to think that they did that for a reason that they'll address at some point down the road, maybe it's what happens to speedsters when a time-wraith does manage to kill them.

 

[Dark Raven]

I liked the premise of the episode, but was annoyed because we were promised contextual setup for "Worlds Finest" and didn't get any.

The article originally said it was in the April 5th episode. It wouldn't make any sense really for this episode here to set up the Supergirl crossover, because throughout the episode, he hadn't learned to travel faster yet. How could he possibly end up on Supergirl's world either when he was time travelling to the past, or coming back from the past to the present? In the latter case, he hadn't even viewed the file that Thawne had given him yet.

So it makes more sense that they're going to attempt to cross universes in the next episode, which is where the set up might be. Now it may be that the April 5th episode has been pushed back if there isn't any next week, but it makes more sense for it to be there. Where could it possibly have fitted in during this episode? So the set up might in fact be 2 weeks after the crossover, instead of the day after or the week after.

 

[Cybermaxis]

This was an exciting episode. So many scenes were very suspenseful and full of tension, leaving me on the edge of my seat. Barry meeting his past self was nerve-wracking, and Barry's battle of wits with Wells/Thawne -- after Thawne realized who he was -- was extremely intense. I liked how they used the Pied Piper again, and how they showed just how ill-prepared Barry was for the risks of time travel. Very thrilling story.

Absolutely loved that scene between them in the Time Vault.

 

[divan]

I wouldn't be surprised if they use this episode to "resurrect" the Harrison Well's version of RF. I mean, the guy correctly deduced he was going to die when he saw Future Barry so perhaps he made some contingency even if he bought Barry's lie.

 

[Syncos]

so Barry goes back in time alters a noted event, and the only major change is piped piper is good and having dinner with his parents? this episode was Ludacris, they even say how Ludacris and dangerous this idea was and the whole butterfly effect thing, yet nothing changes despite them having another super genius for an ally for months and how much could of been altered by that.

Only thing we know of. Barry was only back in the regular timeline for a couple minutes of the episode. Hardly enough time to know what's really changed. My guess is that Thawne-Wells is still alive.

 

[Dark Raven]

I wouldn't be surprised if they use this episode to "resurrect" the Harrison Well's version of RF. I mean, the guy correctly deduced he was going to die when he saw Future Barry so perhaps he made some contingency even if he bought Barry's lie.

How would he know though that Eddie was going to shoot himself? That was very sudden and spur of the moment, and not something he could really plan for. He might try to anticipate that Team Flash would come up with various plans to stop him, but not some random element where someone decides to take their own life to prevent one's existence.

 

[haephestus]

The Flash is still probably my favourite current TV show, but this episode was ... confusing.

I really needed to re-watch the Pied Piper episode/s before watching this episode because even with Cisco's very quick summary of past events at the start of the episode, I was lost as to *when* Barry had travelled back in time to. The Time Wraith seemed unnecessary and will surely be used or not used by the writers whenever they feel like allowing or prohibiting time travel by Barry (as the script requires), instead of genuinely addressing the risks and issues associated with time travel.

Also, I find it completely implausible that Barry's adventures in the past, which included an early reveal of his time travel abilities, whatever he was doing by interfering in Pied Piper's established sequence of events, the introduction of the white symbol, everything with the Time Wraith (including the fact that it is a serious side effect of time travel), etc had only the slightest effect on the subsequent 12 months of events with the net result being that the Pied Piper is now an infrequent ally of Team Flash (although apparently not so frequent that he has actually helped them in any obviously positive way since everything else seems to be exactly the same despite the addition of a rich, arrogant, super-genius to the team).

Maybe they're saving the other "effects" of Barry's time travelling for future episodes, but it was really odd that Cisco and Caitlin were exactly the same, even wearing the same clothes and with the same hairstyles despite all of Barry's ... meddling in the past.

 

[Justin]

I enjoyed this episode.

Very nice use of the butterfly effect with the Pied Piper who I believe has history of being good in comics. Could be a fun recurring character.

Great to see Cavanagh play his original role again. He's great as RF.

I found the part with the 2 flashes to be a bit underwhelming though.

This episode was fun but could have been executed better. I preferred the supergirl crossover this week but it was an improvement on trajectory. 7/10 i would say.

 

[zenith16]

Is there a reason why time wraiths late wearing flash like costumes?

I don't recall a reason, but that was definitely a very interesting choice for their look, have to think that they did that for a reason that they'll address at some point down the road, maybe it's what happens to speedsters when a time-wraith does manage to kill them.

I do re call the reason. I had this conversation with my youngest sister the day before when it aired . it has to do with the avatars of death's for speedster that peep's wanted zoom to be with in the show and to represent ins stead of of him being person.




the wrath would known other wise be known as



Black Flash
New Earthand max Mercury is also related to the same type of thing from flash lore . the time wraths looks represent them


their kinda like the food Chane where sharks and wolf's keep population of fish and what wolfs eat in nature in balance the time wraths or what they were known in the comic's as avatar of death's stop speedster from screwing with time.


we also have to remember what Eobard told Barry when he had him cuffed to his chair . there are other flash's and alot ot them have had runin with the wrath's in the show. and prior to that the day Eddie died and we saw jay's helment come through the singularity and they asked Eobard what the helment ment? and Eobard said it mean's it's time for him to go. again he knew that helment.

Eobard thawne seems aware of alot.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I do re call the reason. I had this conversation with my youngest sister the day before when it aired . it has to do with the avatars of death's for speedster that peep's wanted zoom to be with in the show and to represent ins stead of of him being person.




the wrath would known other wise be known as



Black Flash
New Earthand max Mercury is also related to the same type of thing from flash lore . the time wraths looks represent them


their kinda like the food Chane where sharks and wolf's keep population of fish and what wolfs eat in nature in balance the time wraths or what they were known in the comic's as avatar of death's stop speedster from screwing with time.


we also have to remember what Eobard told Barry when he had him cuffed to his chair . there are other flash's and alot ot them have had runin with the wrath's in the show. and prior to that the day Eddie died and we saw jay's helment come through the singularity and they asked Eobard what the helment ment? and Eobard said it mean's it's time for him to go. again he knew that helment.

Eobard thawne seems aware of alot.

I meant a reason provided by the show for the wraiths appearance, I do agree that the Time Wraith is probably meant to be the show's version of the Black Flash.

 

[Gu3ree]

While I really enjoyed this episode and loved the twist, I am still bothered by one thing...that is Jay Garrick being Hunter Zolomon/Zoom.

Jesus...did the writers have that planned all along that this guy was posing as Jay Garrick? Or did they just decide to make Jay Garrick be Zoom later?

Either way, I think that it really, really sucks. I mean how could he have played with them so well for that long? Are his methods even necessary? I know it sounds a bit obvious....'well, it's because he was playing them to gain their trust,' but still I hate that this season's plotline is the same as season 1! But getting into a relationship with Caitlin, and saying he lost his speed, and going this far is completely ridiculous.

It's just not believable or realistic. Someone going this far. He's smarter than Eobard Thawne but this is just so unbelievable. I don't buy this at all.

He could have just stolen Barry's speed by now. Episode 9 was just like season 1's mid-finale. This is so terrible.

Even saving a few lives, going this far just to gain their trust?

If the guy under the mask held captive was the real Jay Garrick, they show should have given us a better hint. It just really wasn't a good twist at all. They should have suspected Jay before.

I just don't care for this at all. It made the point of learning to trust Jay in the 2nd episode pointless. And...Zoom being on Earth 1 for 6 months before he decided to speak to Barry and the team? What?

I would really prefer it if they just resolve this making that Jay who died, be the real Jay all along. Or just another clone. I don't know. Wouldn't Hunter Zolomon have trained Barry more? Because he hasn't except for throwing electricity in super-speed.

 

[zenith16]

I meant a reason provided by the show for the wraiths appearance, I do agree that the Time Wraith is probably meant to be the show's version of the Black Flash.

oh like I said Eobard sort of explained that they are there to stop speedster's from changing time one too many times. It's like how Rabbite or fish over populate and wolves and shark's are there to keep a sort of balance.


that's what I understood from what he told barry why it chased after him after barry saw it in the the time stream before reaching the past.

it took notice of him and gave chase. "it's preety much like shark " they are the speedster natural predator like how galatius is drawn to earth in the MCU cause most of the cosmic being's known as the Celestial's are born from earth and people/ humans that posses the mutant gene that have evolved enough to become them.

 

[haephestus]

While I really enjoyed this episode and loved the twist, I am still bothered by one thing...that is Jay Garrick being Hunter Zolomon/Zoom.

Jesus...did the writers have that planned all along that this guy was posing as Jay Garrick? Or did they just decide to make Jay Garrick be Zoom later?

I'm still hoping that Zoom is a future version of the Jay Garrick that we knew and loved.

They've seemingly gone out of their way to establish that:

- just because someone dies in "the past" it doesn't mean their future selves necessarily die (i.e. because we saw the original Reverse Flash, despite Eddie killing himself); and
- Velocity 9 is addictive, gives you "blue" lightning and drives you crazy (or creates an "evil" alternate person).

So, I'm going with the theory (not my own, I read it elsewhere) that Jay Garrick was who he appeared to be. In the original version of events, Caitlin "perfects" Velocity 9 and Jay returns to his world. But, on Earth 2, he becomes addicted to Velocity 9, eventually turns into Zoom and, as a result of the adverse effects of Velocity 9, needs to steal speed from other Speedsters to remain alive.

So, Zoom drains all of the Speedsters on Earth 2, past, present and future, but still wants more speed. He then travels back in time to when he knew that there were portals to Earth 1 open so that he can steal more speed from the Speedsters on Earth 1.

Of course, none of that explains Hunter Zolomon on Earth 1 or the man in the iron mask (if that prisoner is another version of Jay or a doppelganger of Jay from the past, present or future or an another Earth).

 

[Gu3ree]

I'm still hoping that Zoom is a future version of the Jay Garrick that we knew and loved.

They've seemingly gone out of their way to establish that:

- just because someone dies in "the past" it doesn't mean their future selves necessarily die (i.e. because we saw the original Reverse Flash, despite Eddie killing himself); and
- Velocity 9 is addictive, gives you "blue" lightning and drives you crazy (or creates an "evil" alternate person).

So, I'm going with the theory (not my own, I read it elsewhere) that Jay Garrick was who he appeared to be. In the original version of events, Caitlin "perfects" Velocity 9 and Jay returns to his world. But, on Earth 2, he becomes addicted to Velocity 9, eventually turns into Zoom and, as a result of the adverse effects of Velocity 9, needs to steal speed from other Speedsters to remain alive.

So, Zoom drains all of the Speedsters on Earth 2, past, present and future, but still wants more speed. He then travels back in time to when he knew that there were portals to Earth 1 open so that he can steal more speed from the Speedsters on Earth 1.

Of course, none of that explains Hunter Zolomon on Earth 1 or the man in the iron mask (if that prisoner is another version of Jay or a doppelganger of Jay from the past, present or future or an another Earth).

Does sound a lot better. Next episode looks like most of the information will be revealed.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

@Spider Aziz : I understand your point of view, it wasn't clear at first.
Edit : about the null effect when Flash went back, it was fine considering the show time constraint, all in all, "they" did fine within 45 minutes.

 

[FlashFan]

I loved this episode. Now that Barry has the answer to the equation to get faster this is going to be interesting. He's gonna get faster and he's gonna be a badass. Can't wait.

 

[mr. peasant]

I'm still hoping that Zoom is a future version of the Jay Garrick that we knew and loved.

They've seemingly gone out of their way to establish that:

- just because someone dies in "the past" it doesn't mean their future selves necessarily die (i.e. because we saw the original Reverse Flash, despite Eddie killing himself); and
- Velocity 9 is addictive, gives you "blue" lightning and drives you crazy (or creates an "evil" alternate person).

So, I'm going with the theory (not my own, I read it elsewhere) that Jay Garrick was who he appeared to be. In the original version of events, Caitlin "perfects" Velocity 9 and Jay returns to his world. But, on Earth 2, he becomes addicted to Velocity 9, eventually turns into Zoom and, as a result of the adverse effects of Velocity 9, needs to steal speed from other Speedsters to remain alive.

So, Zoom drains all of the Speedsters on Earth 2, past, present and future, but still wants more speed. He then travels back in time to when he knew that there were portals to Earth 1 open so that he can steal more speed from the Speedsters on Earth 1.

Of course, none of that explains Hunter Zolomon on Earth 1 or the man in the iron mask (if that prisoner is another version of Jay or a doppelganger of Jay from the past, present or future or an another Earth).

Not strictly true. We've only ever seen a past version of Reverse Flash from when before Eddie kills himself and rendering the former into an impossibility. Prior (relatively speaking) to Eddie killing himself, Eobard Thawne's existence was always a(n) possibility/eventuality.

 

[Justin]

How would he know though that Eddie was going to shoot himself? That was very sudden and spur of the moment, and not something he could really plan for. He might try to anticipate that Team Flash would come up with various plans to stop him, but not some random element where someone decides to take their own life to prevent one's existence.

While this wouldn't change that necessarily, I actually think it wasn't so random.

I mean he should have been totally prepared for that. He himself went out of his way not to kill Eddie and involved him in the whole thing to begin with.

Thawne being as clever and knowledgable as they showed him in this episode should have been completely and totally aware of the consequences of Eddie dying and really should have moved him far away from the situation right at the start.

 

[Quasimod0]

I really enjoyed this episode, especially compared to the last two arrow episodes. This reminded me why I loved Flash right from the start.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Tom Cavanagh owned this episode both as Harry and without a doubt Thawne was magnificent !

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I really enjoyed this episode, especially compared to the last two arrow episodes. This reminded me why I loved Flash right from the start.

This show has yet to have an episode that I haven't at least found fun, really hope the show can maintain its quality, seeing Arrow go downhill because of its showrunners and their shipper pandering has been disappointing.