The Flash The Flash season 2 episode 2 "The Flash of Two Worlds"

[Lencho01]

I loved the Earth-2 aesthetic how it's quite modern and in the present but still looks very Golden Age as a tribute to the original pre-crisis Earth-2 from DC Comics. Reminded me of Burton's Batman.

Yeah, I thought it was really cool and made me wish we saw more stuff like that in superhero media outside the comics.

 

[Silliminite]

Loved this episode. Massive improvement over the premiere, and a 9/10 for me.

The recreation of the Barry/Jay cover, Cisco's hilarious dialogue towards the start of the show, the sensational lightning-dash moment and, finally, the real Harrison Wells' introduction to the show in the classy Earth-2 (I presume) aesthetic. All really well done.

Also, Patty Spivot and Jay Garrick are excellent additions to the show, very well portrayed by the actors, especially the former.

Glad the show's back to its high quality.

 

[Steyin]

Great episode, and back on track. I like Patty a lot after one episode. Heck I think even Iris got better. Curious to see where it all goes.

 

[The Shape]

I loved the Earth-2 aesthetic how it's quite modern and in the present but still looks very Golden Age as a tribute to the original pre-crisis Earth-2 from DC Comics. Reminded me of Burton's Batman.

Same here.

 

[Guts]

The premiere just ignored the most important events that happened in the season 1 finale (except for the singularity) like how was Barry grieving over the fact that he failed to save his mother back in time last season? Did Barry tell Iris, Joe, Caitlin and Cisco about what happened after he returned to the present time? When he went to the past and saw his future-self warning him not to save his mother? Maybe he did tell them, but they don't tell us. That was a disappointment, and I looked forward to seeing a scene dealing with the aftermath of Barry's trauma for not being able to save his mother

I don't see how he would be traumatized by it. Not saving her was a choice he made on his own.

 

[Still Wynning]

So, who else gets the impression that "Zoom" is most likely an Amalgam of Zoom and the Black Flash?

Also, as much as I smiled about the 52 breaches, wouldn't that mean that there are 53 worlds in total?

I'm guess this Zoom is an amalgamation of Hunter Zolomon Zoom and The Rival.

 

[Eni]

Hey, maybe it's not germane to you or others but if Barry and pals are going to keep using the facilities, keep coming up with new gear and use the tech there, then I think that kinda needs an explanation in the show. Where are the resources to do that coming from? Hey, the real explanation is it's a show where they already have that set built and damnit, they are gonna get some use out of it.

But really... The computers, satellite hook ups, and yes the power for things like the holding cells, which they are still using... That should somehow be explained even if it's, "Wells gave you ownership and with that you are now in charge of the funds budgeted to keep STAR operational" or something. And the playing with action figures thing I think is apt. It came to me when they went all those episodes holding those prisoners in the Pipeline. When we were kids you always got the play set with some sort of "jail" to put the bad guys in, but since we're kids we don't think about the logistics of keeping a human being locked up, much less ones with powers. It was enough just that they were " behind bars". And apparently for a nice chunk of the previous season... The writers of the show were in the same mindset because the show never touched on it. Characters in cells for weeks looked exactly as they were when they first arrived. That to me is silly. That's power Rangers level nonsense. I can't go two days without a shower or a shave but these characters were held in cells with no bathroom facilities and no sense of how Barry and friends fed or cared for them in any way. My gut tells me that's why they wrote out the villains they were holding. It was an untenable situation they had written.

And I do think, given what this team of protagonists has gone through, that yeah, they probably should be concerned about the bodies of dead meta humans from other dimensions falling into the wrong hands. They know that there are men like Eiling out there that are trying to harness meta human abilities ect.

I like the show. I have watched it every week, but these things stick out to me as a weakness in how they approach their world and stories and characters. I am all for "it's just a show just relax" when it comes to a lot of my super hero fiction. I don't think things like magic or super powers all need airtight explanations. This show has already gone "timey-whimey" with it's time travel/timeline stuff and.., that doesn't bother me. But I do think there are aspects in terms of writing for this to be a world that I can buy into without having to just hand wave it as "it's just a show" that have been and continue to be sloppy. Again... I think many fans just give it a pass because "it's fun" and feel somehow such details would detract from that. I think such things would enrich the show, but... Strokes and folks and all that.

Maybe Wells didn't just leave Barry the labs but also money to run it? Or maybe Cisco is selling patents to inventions he made at the side and they get money that way? I get where you're coming from even though I don't really feel bothered by the lack of explanations just yet. It's just episode two so far, so they will probably come forth with some explanations later on.

Regarding the corpses of the possibly dead villains so far - and I don't think that 'Sanddemon' is actually dead just yet - the writers probably want those to get in the wrong hands for future stories. Or maybe the Police collected them up and locked them away somewhere. Or the goverment got their hands on them, which is quite likely. We will probably hear about this again later in the Season.

I myself give this a pass because I think this is a comic book show on TV that seems more focused on the drama and the fun instead of actual logic, which is fine if they want to do it like that. I wasn't (and still aren't) bothered by the Pipeline and them offing the villains isn't bothering me either because they probably won't be important for the story again and Barry isn't turning in to a heartless tyrant due to it either. He is a young, inexperienced guy who is trying to deal with those people any way he can. I'm pretty sure he will start to deal with them in a more delicate fashion as soon as he gets some experience and understanding of his powers. If the police of CC had to face those people, they would more than likely kill them due to lack of any other Options (if they were able to) and nobody would really care.

I think one of the reasons the writers possibly have decided to kill enemies of in this season - if they really do that - is because how everybody reacted to the Pipeline in last season, which would be quite hilarious if you think about it. That would also solve the problem with the maintenance costs of the Pipeline and the costs of keeping people in there.

 

[Loki882]

^Or they could just say that the proper authorities know about The Pipleline and have sanctioned it. Or that Iron Heights is now capable of holding metahumans and move them all that. It's actually REALLY simply to solve.

Also are we ever going to get to see Iris mourn Eddie? Seriously, two episodes now with Caitlin's pain at losing Ronnie, and Iris's reaction to Eddie's death has been completely brushed over.

 

[Nathan]

Or that Iron Heights is now capable of holding metahumans and move them all that. It's actually REALLY simply to solve.

It really is. And funny thing is, Joe actually mentioned that Iron Heights can hold Metahumans now. And yet we still end up with another dead Metahuman. He caught a frikkin' guy made of poison gas. He could have caught a guy made of "sand".

 

[ThePreface]

Also are we ever going to get to see Iris mourn Eddie? Seriously, two episodes now with Caitlin's pain at losing Ronnie, and Iris's reaction to Eddie's death has been completely brushed over.

Meh, they did that with Laurel and Tommy in Arrow season 2. I'm guessing they want to avoid retreading that road with Iris. Besides, different people react to situations differently. Maybe Iris at this point is mentally stronger than Laurel was in her season 2.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I love how this time it was Jay from his personal experience, to face his enemies, teaching Barry some tricks.
The effects for the Sandman look impressive.

I loved the Earth-2 aesthetic how it's quite modern and in the present but still looks very Golden Age as a tribute to the original pre-crisis Earth-2 from DC Comics. Reminded me of Burton's Batman.

Agreed.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Maybe Wells didn't just leave Barry the labs but also money to run it? Or maybe Cisco is selling patents to inventions he made at the side and they get money that way? I get where you're coming from even though I don't really feel bothered by the lack of explanations just yet. It's just episode two so far, so they will probably come forth with some explanations later on.

Regarding the corpses of the possibly dead villains so far - and I don't think that 'Sanddemon' is actually dead just yet - the writers probably want those to get in the wrong hands for future stories. Or maybe the Police collected them up and locked them away somewhere. Or the goverment got their hands on them, which is quite likely. We will probably hear about this again later in the Season.

I myself give this a pass because I think this is a comic book show on TV that seems more focused on the drama and the fun instead of actual logic, which is fine if they want to do it like that. I wasn't (and still aren't) bothered by the Pipeline and them offing the villains isn't bothering me either because they probably won't be important for the story again and Barry isn't turning in to a heartless tyrant due to it either. He is a young, inexperienced guy who is trying to deal with those people any way he can. I'm pretty sure he will start to deal with them in a more delicate fashion as soon as he gets some experience and understanding of his powers. If the police of CC had to face those people, they would more than likely kill them due to lack of any other Options (if they were able to) and nobody would really care.

I think one of the reasons the writers possibly have decided to kill enemies of in this season - if they really do that - is because how everybody reacted to the Pipeline in last season, which would be quite hilarious if you think about it. That would also solve the problem with the maintenance costs of the Pipeline and the costs of keeping people in there.

Oh, I think they probably will do something where they are "Oh no... The government got their hands on villain X's remains and they somehow brought him back to life/ They were experimenting on his body and unleashed this disaster we have to deal with." Ok, fine, I get that... But in our gang of protagonists we have what are presented to us as a really smart group of scientists. Barry, Cisco, Caitlyn and Stein. When supposedly smart people make incredibly dumb choices it doesn't reflect well on the wring of these shows. It doesn't HAVE to be a big thing, a simple mention that they brought the body back to STAR to cremate or whatever, zap with the science doohickey into inert atoms. Heck, you could get something humorous or even dramatic out of such a set up. At least it would show that the heroes after their experience doing this for a while are wise enough to see consequences and ramifications that should be plain as day to them, ESPECIALLY if you keep highlighting how smart they are supposed to be.

 

[The Shape]

Hey, maybe it's not germane to you or others but if Barry and pals are going to keep using the facilities, keep coming up with new gear and use the tech there, then I think that kinda needs an explanation in the show. Where are the resources to do that coming from? Hey, the real explanation is it's a show where they already have that set built and damnit, they are gonna get some use out of it.

But really... The computers, satellite hook ups, and yes the power for things like the holding cells, which they are still using... That should somehow be explained even if it's, "Wells gave you ownership and with that you are now in charge of the funds budgeted to keep STAR operational" or something.

A very simple assumption can be made that explains this. Harrison Wells (and subsequently Eobard Thawne) was an immensely wealthy person that likely poured a lot of money into STAR Labs itself. STAR Labs has likely always had massive budget for its operations thanks to outside funding and various business contracts, but mostly thanks to Wells himself. Assuming ownership of STAR Labs means assuming ownership of all of the company's assets that are to be used for company operations.

If a father dies and leaves his tech company to his son, the son does not simply become the owner of the company's building that is made of brick and steel. He becomes the owner of all of the company's assets, operations, and contracts.

Furthermore, Caitlyn and Cisco are scientists who have been using the tools and resources that have been at their disposal for some time now since Wells was "alive". Cisco also seems to be somewhat of an inventor. Not that it really matters, but the show has given no indication that the team has greatly upgraded the facility or that they've been getting all kinds of new, expensive gear.

Either way, it's important to remember that each episode of this show essentially contains 45 minutes of content. There are many characters, a main plot, and various subplots that need attention each week, along with action sequences. The kind of explanations you're looking for are virtually unnecessary because they don't really affect the storylines or character development, for the most part. For Harrison Wells' lawyer or the characters to go into more detailed explanations of Wells' will or the day-to-day budgetary operations of STAR Labs and how they pay for water and electricity, it would mean losing 30-seconds to a minute of dialogue or screen time for something else in the episode that is likely more essential in pushing the story forward or developing the characters.

This is already a very "talky" show with lots of jargon and characters explaining logistics/science to the audience. I don't really feel it needs to be more talky to appease those who will feel the need to nitpick at things that are ultimately inconsequential. It's not about needing to keep things "light and breezy". It's more about focusing on what's truly important.

And the playing with action figures thing I think is apt. It came to me when they went all those episodes holding those prisoners in the Pipeline. When we were kids you always got the play set with some sort of "jail" to put the bad guys in, but since we're kids we don't think about the logistics of keeping a human being locked up, much less ones with powers. It was enough just that they were " behind bars". And apparently for a nice chunk of the previous season... The writers of the show were in the same mindset because the show never touched on it. Characters in cells for weeks looked exactly as they were when they first arrived. That to me is silly. That's power Rangers level nonsense. I can't go two days without a shower or a shave but these characters were held in cells with no bathroom facilities and no sense of how Barry and friends fed or cared for them in any way. My gut tells me that's why they wrote out the villains they were holding. It was an untenable situation they had written.

I believe you and I discussed this during the last season, but the fact that something isn't explicitly shown in a TV show or movie does not mean it never happens.

Obviously, some suspension of disbelief is required for certain aspects and concepts of this show, but regardless, you seem unwilling to make assumptions about things that occur off-screen or aren't explicitly stated. For instance, a simple assumption can be made that they dropped meals into their cells three times a day and then connected each cell to a container that allowed them to relieve themselves and clean themselves once or twice a day. With the resources of STAR Labs, it's not crazy to imagine that they would have devised a way to take car of those prisoners.

I like the show. I have watched it every week, but these things stick out to me as a weakness in how they approach their world and stories and characters. I am all for "it's just a show just relax" when it comes to a lot of my super hero fiction. I don't think things like magic or super powers all need airtight explanations. This show has already gone "timey-whimey" with it's time travel/timeline stuff and.., that doesn't bother me. But I do think there are aspects in terms of writing for this to be a world that I can buy into without having to just hand wave it as "it's just a show" that have been and continue to be sloppy. Again... I think many fans just give it a pass because "it's fun" and feel somehow such details would detract from that. I think such things would enrich the show, but... Strokes and folks and all that.

I don't think I've really seen anyone give things a pass because "it's just a show" or "it's fun so who cares". It's just that the lack of explanation of certain details, logistics, and intricacies is not something that ultimately hurts the show or hinders it from effectively telling the stories they're trying to tell.

Of course, I welcome more details and more sound logic, but the examples you've given aren't things I view as true weaknesses of the show. If this was a show that was a little more steeped in "realism" and going for a more realistic/real world approach to telling these stories, I think certain details would matter more and some concepts would need to be presented differently.

 

[SuperBatman]

Pretty good Episode really liking already. Cisco starting to get his Vibe powers really liking Jay Garrick and Patty this should be a interesting season. I also have this sinking suspesion that Earth 2 Version of Barry Allen is Zoom.

 

[Silliminite]

They were talking about Doppelgangers and this is exactly what popped into my mind while watching the episode. It'd be nothing short of epic watching Grant portray an evil version of himself.

Edit: This was in response to SuperBatman's theory of Zoom being Barry's alt-self from Earth-2, but somehow even what I quoted contained his edited post, so I removed the quote for fear of looking deranged.

 

[SuperBatman]

They were talking about Doppelgangers and this is exactly what popped into my mind while watching the episode. It'd be nothing short of epic watching Grant portray an evil version of himself.

Sorry U quoted me when I edit my post the one thing I forget to keep in there was the theory we have that Barry Allen could be Zoom.

 

[Guard82]

Good episode. I really liked how they used both Jay and Patty. Bringing them both into the team was a brilliant move. Jay is developing a nice rapport with the rest of Team Flash, and Patty is very lovable. I loved that "Monty Python" joke that she and Barry shared.

The episode was a really nice tribute to the "Flash of Two Worlds" story from the comics. Seeing Jay and Barry together was a real treat. Also, Zoom seems like quite a scary, otherworldly guy. It'll be interesting to see how the threat he poses gets built up over the season. All in all, a very cool story.

 

[Silliminite]

Sorry U quoted me when I edit my post the one thing I forget to keep in there was the theory we have that Barry Allen could be Zoom.

Ah, I see you added it back in now. No worries.

 

[Loki882]

Meh, they did that with Laurel and Tommy in Arrow season 2. I'm guessing they want to avoid retreading that road with Iris. Besides, different people react to situations differently. Maybe Iris at this point is mentally stronger than Laurel was in her season 2.

So mourning when someone that you cared about dies makes you "mentally weak?" Riiiggghtt. Oh and I seriously doubt that there thinking about Season 2 of Arrow AT ALL when writing this show (if that's the case, they shouldn't be constantly beating us over the head with the Caitlin/Ronnie thing either, but they are). And I just don't like that it sees like he didn't matter, no one has expressed sadness at his passing this season, no one. Heck it was even played up as a joke with the Joe/Patty scene.

 

[Herolee10]

I think the producers mentioned that Iris would dig herself deep into her work as a way of coping with Eddie's death.

And it was shown that Eddie's death affected Barry as well, causing him into going solo for 6 months and having trust issues as well.

 

[Pokkle]

Good episode.
Jay is cool.
I like the Earth-2 storyline, and the modern/retro's look.
The new girl is funny.
Still don't like Iris though and Barry killing the meta was weird.

 

[DCnightwing23]

I see no point to Iris being around so much honestly. She's kind of irritating. Just be gone for a episode or two. Patty, please take her place you're incredible and everyone loves you.

 

[The Shape]

So mourning when someone that you cared about dies makes you "mentally weak?" Riiiggghtt. Oh and I seriously doubt that there thinking about Season 2 of Arrow AT ALL when writing this show (if that's the case, they shouldn't be constantly beating us over the head with the Caitlin/Ronnie thing either, but they are). And I just don't like that it sees like he didn't matter, no one has expressed sadness at his passing this season, no one. Heck it was even played up as a joke with the Joe/Patty scene.

I mean, didn't this season pick up 6 months after last season's finale? That would mean that the "worst" is over for Iris, Caitlin, and others in terms of the grieving process. The initial shock has subsided and they've accepted the losses, expressed their full range of feelings, and have begun to adjust to a life in which those people are absent. It doesn't mean their sadness has completely gone away or that they've forgotten those who were killed.

As we saw in the premiere, it was Barry who was having the most trouble letting them go, accepting the losses, and moving on in a healthy way. Even Caitlin told Barry that she's accepted it. He had to do the same and stop blaming himself.

 

[kvz5]

I liked the first ep just fine but I agree that this was stronger. I've always liked the actor playing Jay on Masters of Sex so it was great seeing him here. I hope he gets his powers back eventually. Would love to see the two of them in action together.

 

[The Shape]

I've always liked the actor playing Jay on Masters of Sex so it was great seeing him here. I hope he gets his powers back eventually. Would love to see the two of them in action together.

You know he will by season's end, but probably not for awhile.