The Flash The Flash season 3 episode 6 - "Shade"

[zenith16]

The tape and the written Will are two separate things the tape was included with the written Will. With your comment about it needing to be in the tape makes zero sense the lawyer had not watched the tape and knew that Barry was the new owner hence it was written in the Will.

So with that said the lawyer's comment about the watching of the tape to be a requirement of the transfer of ownership implies that it was a stated condition in the Will that for the transaction to be final Barry must first watch the tape.

the problem is they didn't care to show anything written in this show of the flash. and other shows always shown that it was important. but to these writers as they couldn't care less.

And it's important to every other writers even animated writers, But these ones for some weird reason. (they are still better the arrow writing team , but it's weird.)

and there have been a ton of wills done on shows that have done this and have shown voice recorded tapes and video tapes wills and testaments to make it easier where wills are involved too.

All in such shows.

I mentioned some and in some shows like different strokes. which was prime time comedy of all things too.


I was born in 78. so most shows from 80's til now which dealt with such things action and mysterys, I've seen most of them (won't claim I've seen them all.)and they've shown that stuff. that always important to a show. it's just something I wish these writers here didn't treat as secondary to an after thought, as in not caring at all.

but it's time to move on from this. I've dragged this long enough.

I just hope they re open star labs as I said.

and hope they put barrys suit in the time vault he's fast enough to getit from there. and it'll save alot trouble with at least some certain villain finding out who he is so fast.

 

[Gu3ree]

We'll see where this goes. Again Cisco feared the same thing when they tried to make him reopen the breachs and he freaked and said no. he said him self , he thought he turn evil with useof his power like vader and they said other wise and he's still him self today .

Caitlin may be putting more pressure on her self then she should and her freak out are what may lead her to make bad mistakes . this is one of those thing's in that she will make it become true, if she keeps her mind set that way.

Cisco didn't turn evil and there's nothing saying she must become evil cause another version of her in another reality was.

that version made a chose, just like Cisco's doppelganger did to become evil . and that what set cisco apart from reverb chose. The same should be the same for Caitlin

What if Alchemy gives her fake visions? Thinking of it though, I'd really be down for Caitlin really turning into Killer Frost. As I've said before, I never cared for the Caitlin character that much, and while it could be a bad turning point, it might be a really good turning point, tragic as it may be. It would move the story forward a great deal. It wouldn't have the same impact Arrow had though with Deathstroke. Some things did move the story with Arrow forward, Sara's death, but not Laurel's death. Not that I'm saying Caitlin should die, but something tragic happening to her instead, like her becoming an enemy of Team Flash.

 

[zenith16]

What if Alchemy gives her fake visions? Thinking of it though, I'd really be down for Caitlin really turning into Killer Frost. As I've said before, I never cared for the Caitlin character that much, and while it could be a bad turning point, it might be a really good turning point, tragic as it may be. It would move the story forward a great deal. It wouldn't have the same impact Arrow had though with Deathstroke. Some things did move the story with Arrow forward, Sara's death, but not Laurel's death. Not that I'm saying Caitlin should die, but something tragic happening to her instead, like her becoming an enemy of Team Flash.

Hmm she hasn't shown signs of this . and I think this more like cisco's case where it was just taking it's time activating it's self. like it did for other's like cisco and the other new half of fire storm jeffson jackson who likely wouldn't have found out til the star labs team found both him and that scientist that went bad in that same episode in helping prof stein.

as to the rest of what you said I think she'll be a mess for while and be more on the misunderstood list . or they can go full villain with her . it can go ether way. but like I said there nothing that say she has to end up like earth 2 killer frost she just has to realize this the same way they got cisco to do so.


Now if it was in deed Alchemy Though, well it'll give her edge regardless cause he messed with her and she been through alot of crap especially falling in love with super powered cereal killer. so even if she stays good I don't think she'll treating bad guys that nice.


she does have mean streak it seems and that in it's self can make her interesting as a hero.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It was nice to see Caitlin confront Cisko with what he saw a few minutes into the episode after the scene of him vibing the future of Vibe vs Killer Frost.

I don't want Julian to be either one of Savitar or Dr. Alchemy, and I sure wouldn't want him to be one of the mannequins standing there with Alchemy.

 

[zenith16]

It was nice to see Caitlin confront Cisko with what he saw a few minutes into the episode after the scene of him vibing the future of Vibe vs Killer Frost.

I don't want Julian to be either one of Savitar or Dr. Alchemy, and I sure wouldn't want him to be one of the mannequins standing there with Alchemy.

that was the kid with the hologram tech right?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

that was the kid with the hologram tech right?

He's Barry's lab partner.

 

[zenith16]

He's Barry's lab partner.

oh yeah , sorry, lol the one that hates him cause he's keeping secrets. hmm he'd be too obvious. So I see your point. I still find it weird that aren't any other CSi in that police department of that city. it's just plain weird.

 

[Guts]

Savitar reminds me of Megatron from the Michael Bay Transformers movie.

 

[Syncos]

What if Alchemy gives her fake visions? Thinking of it though, I'd really be down for Caitlin really turning into Killer Frost. As I've said before, I never cared for the Caitlin character that much, and while it could be a bad turning point, it might be a really good turning point, tragic as it may be. It would move the story forward a great deal. It wouldn't have the same impact Arrow had though with Deathstroke. Some things did move the story with Arrow forward, Sara's death, but not Laurel's death. Not that I'm saying Caitlin should die, but something tragic happening to her instead, like her becoming an enemy of Team Flash.

I'm really worried about Flash following the same terrible path Arrow did.

Cisco has powers and might be in the field more. Caitlyn now has powers and will either be a villain or a hero, either way her role is going to change. Every character is a superhero/villain. Nobody is going to be normal anymore.

As soon as everyone on Arrow was a full time vigilante, the heart of the show was gone, and that's when it started to fall apart. It's only starting to come around now because of glimpses of a normal life / secret identity again (mayor queen)

I really hope they find a way to control or restrict Caitlyn's power, so she can be her. Solving problems with science, not just stabbing things with icicles.

 

[famicommander]

Cisco has powers and might be in the field more. Caitlyn now has powers and will either be a villain or a hero, either way her role is going to change. Every character is a superhero/villain. Nobody is going to be normal anymore.

Iris, Joe, HR, Harry, Julian (unless he's Alchemy)

 

[Paradox1]

Great episode I loved all the Wally stuff, I'd give it 4.

 

[Nathan]

I really hope they find a way to control or restrict Caitlyn's power, so she can be her. Solving problems with science, not just stabbing things with icicles.

I wonder if I'd be the only one ok with it, if they manage to clear out the Lab. I'd even be completely fine with having her be evil. I just really want Barry to be competent on his own, without asking 3 different people for their opinions. The more people they can get away from a computer screen, the better.

 

[Mister J]

I want Wally to get his powers and shut up or step in front of another moving car, either dying or going into a coma. Jesus, enough already. At the very least, can Iris just plant another right cross on him when he gets to wailing?

Julian as Alchemy strikes too obvious. They couldn't have set it up more. I was thinking an unmasking was coming before Savitar showed up from the set of the latest Transformers movie. Like others, I think there's some bait and switch with the Killer Frost/Vibe vision.

I would have like to seen Shade be used as the baddie for an entire ep. Break up all the other drama and maybe be more cunning criminal than as menacing and brutal as he was here.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

^Harsh.

 

[Guard82]

I liked how this episode escalated the conflict between Team Flash and Alchemy. When Alchemy began trying to influence Wally and transform him, things got a lot more interesting. I thought the episode started off kind of slow, but it picked up when Wally started receiving the more painful visions from Alchemy.

I'm interested to see what happens after Wally gets his powers, and what happens with Team Flash's showdown with Alchemy's cult, especially now that Savitar has emerged.

It was neat seeing the Shade, a classic villain, in this episode, but I wish the writers had done more with him, and I wish they had made him more interesting than he was.

The best part of the episode was the progress on Caitlin's arc. Her struggle over gaining ice powers and possibly evolving into Killer Frost was portrayed very well. Despite Caitlin's fears, I don't think she's actually going to become evil like her Earth-2 counterpart. I think Cisco may have misinterpreted the vision. Caitlin doesn't have a reason to turn evil right now. Getting superpowers isn't enough to make her evil; she would need an actual motivation, and so far, she doesn't have any. More likely she'll turn out to be a superhero.

Barry's conversation with Iris was well-written, and I liked a lot of the comic relief that HR provided.

 

[Syncos]

I wonder if I'd be the only one ok with it, if they manage to clear out the Lab. I'd even be completely fine with having her be evil. I just really want Barry to be competent on his own, without asking 3 different people for their opinions. The more people they can get away from a computer screen, the better.

I hope this isn't the case. Barry just being able to do everything himself would be terrible and easy. He's a smart dude, and should be able to handle some stuff on his own, but he's already been doing that pretty well this season.

The people behind the computers are supposed to be our proxy (the viewer) like the companions of Doctor Who. Flash has incredible powers. We can't relate to that. But being able to research or presume to know how Flash should handle something is what viewers do every episode.

I hate to beat this comparison to death, but it's like in Arrow. Once everyone was a costumed crime fighter, we lost our proxy. It was easier for someone to relate to a billionaire playboy, than a costumed archer.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I want Wally to get his powers and shut up or step in front of another moving car, either dying or going into a coma. Jesus, enough already. At the very least, can Iris just plant another right cross on him when he gets to wailing?

Julian as Alchemy strikes too obvious. They couldn't have set it up more. I was thinking an unmasking was coming before Savitar showed up from the set of the latest Transformers movie. Like others, I think there's some bait and switch with the Killer Frost/Vibe vision.

I would have like to seen Shade be used as the baddie for an entire ep. Break up all the other drama and maybe be more cunning criminal than as menacing and brutal as he was here.

Yeah, not only nothing like classic Wally, but annoying as hell to boot.

 

[BestGirl]

I wonder if I'd be the only one ok with it, if they manage to clear out the Lab. I'd even be completely fine with having her be evil. I just really want Barry to be competent on his own, without asking 3 different people for their opinions. The more people they can get away from a computer screen, the better.

They've actually done a pretty good job this season of having Barry figure stuff out for himself.

Julian as Alchemy strikes too obvious. They couldn't have set it up more. I was thinking an unmasking was coming before Savitar showed up from the set of the latest Transformers movie. Like others, I think there's some bait and switch with the Killer Frost/Vibe vision.

The writing on this show isn't that great, so it could just be that obvious. Remember in last night's episode when we were informed that Shade vibrated quickly and that was how he was able to phase and convince people he was a shadow creature? Well, Team Flash defeated him by turning lights on him. Someone explain to me how that worked.

 

[Nathan]

They've actually done a pretty good job this season of having Barry figure stuff out for himself.

But then he needs to be told how to trip a giant monster. So...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The writing on this show isn't that great, so it could just be that obvious. Remember in last night's episode when we were informed that Shade vibrated quickly and that was how he was able to phase and convince people he was a shadow creature? Well, Team Flash defeated him by turning lights on him. Someone explain to me how that worked.

My guess is Earth-19 Shade vibrates real quick, much like how Earth-2 has a Mirror Master with a different skill set.

Otherwise.... I have nothing.

 

[Nathan]

Yeah, that whole scene made no sense whatsoever. "Light is gonna slow down his molecular vibration." So I guess if someone shined a Flashlight on the Flash, as he phases through a wall, he's ****ed?

 

[TheFuture]

what if Cisco misunderstood what he saw when he vibed Caitlyn's future...

like what if what he saw was her fighting another one of his evil doppelgangers from a different earth (or maybe he's the one who turns evil himself) and she was actually the hero in that fight and he was the bad guy

or even simpler what if it was some type of a training simulation, and they weren't really fight

Yeah I thought Vibe might have been the bad guy in that vision as well. It'd be disappointing for me if it was caitlin's "fate" to become Killer Frost so I hope they throw a curve ball there.

Unfortunately after that dumb little angry look Cait gave Barry towards the end where he admitted Flash point caused her meta powers to manifest, I fear that they will go the predictable root and make evil.

Anyway I don't think we'll have to worry about it this season anyway. Savitar, Alchemy and the manipulation of Wally and perhaps even Julian as a dormant meta (really hoping they're avoiding the obvious there too) is enough to fill this season, not to mention the crossover.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

You know something?
All the breaches opened between Earth-2 and Earth-1 because of one giant whole in the sky are stupid and ignored. Forget the established rules.

 

[Justin]

the problem is they didn't care to show anything written in this show of the flash. and other shows always shown that it was important. but to these writers as they couldn't care less.

And it's important to every other writers even animated writers, But these ones for some weird reason. (they are still better the arrow writing team , but it's weird.)

and there have been a ton of wills done on shows that have done this and have shown voice recorded tapes and video tapes wills and testaments to make it easier where wills are involved too.

All in such shows.

I mentioned some and in some shows like different strokes. which was prime time comedy of all things too.


I was born in 78. so most shows from 80's til now which dealt with such things action and mysterys, I've seen most of them (won't claim I've seen them all.)and they've shown that stuff. that always important to a show. it's just something I wish these writers here didn't treat as secondary to an after thought, as in not caring at all.

but it's time to move on from this. I've dragged this long enough.

I just hope they re open star labs as I said.

and hope they put barrys suit in the time vault he's fast enough to getit from there. and it'll save alot trouble with at least some certain villain finding out who he is so fast.

Hey, I'm a lawyer and can confirm that if it is written in the will (which the attorney implies) then it would be legally Barry's in trust. No one needs to say anything on the tape, there doesn't even need to be a tape. Just because it happened that way in some 80s melodrama doesn't make it a legal requirement.

 

[Justin]

I don't think wally gets his powers. Wasn't he simply the cocoon for Savitar? I think it would be great if that turns out to be Wally's death - would give the season a much needed edge and he's a pretty poor casting.