The Flash The Flash season 3 episode 15 "The Wrath of Savitar"

[Mister J]

I'm pretty much over the 'Barry does something he shouldn't and everyone (at least, someone) *****es at him, while we largely ignore the stupid things everyone else does'.

Relying on too much manufactured drama is this show's biggest issue. Conflict usually comes across feeling forced. The characters would be better off making decisions with a Magic 8 Ball.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, I feel bad for Barry's character. Every time something goes bad, it seems to be a bad habit where everyone else takes a piss on his character and unload the entire blame on him.

Granted, Barry has made some mistakes in the past...but tonight's episode really went overboard with the forced drama.

Wally getting sucked into the Speed-Force was all on him so I don't know why Joe had to be a dick about it and make Barry feel even worse than he already does.

Not to mention, why the hell did Wally have to oust Barry like that regarding his engagement to Iris? Not even his business at all.

And Iris's reaction; don't even get me started.

Also, I don't know why Caitlin had to feel bad about things at the end as well. As far as I understood, if Caitlin hadn't kept a piece of the stone for herself, then Savitar would have had the entire stone with him when Barry threw the box into the Speed-Force last winter.

 

[Steelsheen]

wow that was a really good ep rarely give 10s but this one did.

yeah a bit high on the teary heartstrings pulling, but it was all well played out, everybody had a part (except Earth 2 Harrison Wells, or is he still there or did he leave *couldnt remember)

and i think it was real clever writing how we were all thinking how to stop Savitar one way and didnt realize that it was all the other way around. i quite liked that t:

Does anyone else thing the statement about Savitar choosing the speed could be a hint that Savitar is Wally.

yes this exactly. also if we review all of Savitar's lines in this ep, it fits Wally to a T. specially the part when he said "I created myself". Wally stealing the last fragment of the Philosopher's Stone and throwing it into the speedforce then getting sucked into it completes the circle.

i'll be surprised though if its not Wally. i cant think of any other Speedster who fits all the clues.

Why did Barry just watch Wally get sucked into the Speed Force? He had a chance to do something before the Speed Force took him.

yeah the optics of that sent the wrong perception to the audience. the only thing i can think of is that for CGI-budgetary and scheduling reasons, its simpler to do a CG speedforce and Wally all on his own than to have to work around Grant Gustin trying to interact with Keiynan and the CGI.

 

[smallville fan]

Jessie should have gone off with Barry in those final scenes and tried to save Wally. That's my only gripe with this episode.

 

[Paradox1]

Amazing episode for Wally, great episode in general. I teared up watching him get sucked into the speed force.

 

[Lencho01]

I liked the episode, but people were making some weird decisions that defied common sense.

I thought the Savitar suit looked pretty great. Actually reminded me of the Doomsday one in Smallville since the actor had to be/appear bigger than everyone else.

 

[zenith16]

Probably because he makes a dumb decision throughout the series. When Joe said, "It's not your fault", I was like, Yeah, it is!

ohhhhhhhh any ways they'll get him back.

 

[The Chris]

It felt like one of those episodes where it is supposed to be Barry's decision making that i question, but really it was others I questioned, particularly Wally's total foolishness. Now i could that was because of Savitar's influence but Wally is usually an immature egocentric goof.

 

[Batmannerism]

ohhhhhhhh any ways they'll get him back.

True, Flash doesn't leave us hanging for long.

To be honest, I'm not sure Barry could have stopped Wally being sucked into the speed force - I mean who knows how its power works ?

Not a bad episode, the drama came close to being a bit forced - but Barry's guilt ridden face at the end was pretty convincing.

Does anyone else thing the statement about Savitar choosing the speed could be a hint that Savitar is Wally.

You, and the others who have raised this might be onto something.
On one level it's a neat idea, that Barry and Wally effectively create their own
nemesis although that's kind of already happened with Reverse Flash.

I guess the big "but" here is that not only is it a predestination paradox,means that Savitar (future Wally) gives a powerless Wally speed so he can lose everything, go nuts and become Savitar, get trapped in the speed force then escape by trapping Wally just to mess with the Flash.
Doesn't sound so good when you think about it - but this show plays really fast and loose with time and paradoxes so who knows.

Maybe Savitar is future Barry ? Actually that makes even less sense.

To be honest I was just glad to see Barry land a punch or two, Savitar didn't seem quite so invincible.

I'm sure Wally will be back soon, hopefully with a better costume.

I give this one an 8, maybe - I guess it was just a bit too obvious that everyting they were doing was going to make what they were trying to prevent actually happen, you know " One often meets his fate on the road he takes to avoid it."

 

[shabadoo25]

The whole big bad, "I'm going to go screw with neophyte Flash Barry in the past because experienced future Flash Barry kicked my ass" is getting old.

Almost as old as Barry selectively choosing not to use his powers when they are really needed because the plot demands it.

 

[Grommers]

So does anyone think Savitar could be Wally?

Trapped in the speed force, could seem like an eternity, etc, and would show how twisted his mind got.

There was a number of cues last night imo, and I feel like the whole "barry" trying to rip off savitars mask, was even more of a reason why they didnt show his face this episode.

 

[superboy13]

So does anyone think Savitar could be Wally?

Trapped in the speed force, could seem like an eternity, etc, and would show how twisted his mind got.

There was a number of cues last night imo, and I feel like the whole "barry" trying to rip off savitars mask, was even more of a reason why they didnt show his face this episode.

Yyyyup. I was thinking the same thing.

In fact, it got me thinking, how does the show work in S4? Because we have three speedsters now running around Central City. Sure, they could ship Kid Flash off to Legends (which I think would be a great move), but I don't think that's the case. If Wally ends up being Savitar, then he'll probably lose his speed by the S3 finale. Jesse goes back to Earth-2 because reasons and once again we reset the status quo in S4 with Barry as the Fastest Man Alive.

 

[The Shape]

Finally, a compelling Savitar-focused episode. We need more episodes like this.

And yes, definitely seems like Savitar could be Wally, a concept that is both interesting and disappointing.

 

[The Shape]

I'm pretty much over the 'Barry does something he shouldn't and everyone (at least, someone) *****es at him, while we largely ignore the stupid things everyone else does'.

Relying on too much manufactured drama is this show's biggest issue. Conflict usually comes across feeling forced. The characters would be better off making decisions with a Magic 8 Ball.

With the CW shows (as of late), literally every aspect of drama comes from a character keeping some kind of secret from other characters until it blows up. Wally not telling people about his Savitar visions, Barry not telling Joe that Iris will die, Laurel not telling her father that Sarah Lance had died, Jimmy Olsen not telling Kara that he is now "The Guardian", etc.

There are literally hundreds of examples of this across all of the shows. It's pretty funny actually.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

So does anyone think Savitar could be Wally?

Trapped in the speed force, could seem like an eternity, etc, and would show how twisted his mind got.

There was a number of cues last night imo, and I feel like the whole "barry" trying to rip off savitars mask, was even more of a reason why they didnt show his face this episode.

It's definitely the best (or only) theory we have atm, kinda trippy really. Though I was kinda hoping Savitar's identity wouldn't be important, sometimes the villain should just be the villain. Kind of expecting the final showdown between Barry and Savitar to take place in the Speed Force itself now.

 

[DJThrawn]

I think Savitar is Eddie. He said he was there from the beginning and Eddie was ,and he said he created himself which Eddie could of by killing himself and being sucked into the Speed Force as he was passing away. Between killing himself and being stuck in the Speed Force he could be insane. His energy was blue as he was sucked in not unlike Savitar's blue energy. Not to mention the actor who has been playing has been posting a lot of pics of him being Eddie on the Flash. He has more of a motive to hate Barry than Wally does and has the "jealous lover" motive to kill Iris. Wally killing Iris never made sense to me. Eddie coming back also explains how the Reverse Flash remains in the same timeline once this season is over and Legends of Tomorrow is over.

 

[Frodo]

I think Savitar is Eddie. He said he was there from the beginning and Eddie was,and he said he created himself which Eddie might of by killing himself and he was sucked into the Speed Force as he was passing away. his energy was blue as he was sucked in not unlike Savitar's blue energy. Not to mention the actor who has been playing has been posting a lot of pics of him being Eddie on the Flash. He has more of a motive to hate Barry than Wally and has the "jealous lover" motive to kill Iris. Wally killing Iris never made sense to me. Eddie coming back also explains how the Reverse Flash remains in the same timeline once this season is over and Legends of Tomorrow is over.

That's a theory I like , and I wouldn't mind if that turned out to be the case.

 

[legendkillin]

Finally, a compelling Savitar-focused episode. We need more episodes like this.

And yes, definitely seems like Savitar could be Wally, a concept that is both interesting and disappointing.

I liked the episode it was well directed. I feel that Savitar is a lame villain, he is a typical powerful angry villain. I don't care for his motive "You trapped me forever/ you made me into this". His costume is lacking, I can't buy that he was a man in that transformer get up.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Wow Barry that was stupid, you basically did exactly what Jay warned you not to do. You allowed fear and paranoia to over turn your life and actions to the point you played right into Savitar .

Hopefully his trip to the speed force Barry will wise up.

As for Wally, I think that he's more of a victim as a result of Barry's recklessness. Unlike the comics verse this version of Wally.

 

[Grommers]

It's definitely the best (or only) theory we have atm, kinda trippy really. Though I was kinda hoping Savitar's identity wouldn't be important, sometimes the villain should just be the villain. Kind of expecting the final showdown between Barry and Savitar to take place in the Speed Force itself now.

Agreed - All these twists etc, just aren't as enjoyable when they've been done on the shows so frequently, I really hope it's not Wally - but it makes the most sense imo, on why hes not there to "save" Iris etc, his speed training, being thrown into the speed force by himself to ensure his own success.

I'd like it to be Eddie too, either way, i dont' think its going to be any one but those two (unless its Jesse Quick)

 

[BestGirl]

Smh people defend Barry's manipulation for too much in here. He's been screwing with everyone's lives for years now and they're just supposed to be ok with that? Wally and Iris were both plenty justified.

Wally was justified for publicly accusing Barry of only proposing to Iris so he could save her life? What's wrong with that anyway? And where does Wally get off acting so aggrieved? He first met Iris only a few months ago.

 

[BestGirl]

and i think it was real clever writing how we were all thinking how to stop Savitar one way and didnt realize that it was all the other way around. i quite liked that t:

Yeah, it's the classic trope of the hero causing his doom to happen by attempting to avoid it. What's interesting is that the show has subverted that trope as well; Barry and his friends have been able to change the future, in some ways, so it's not completely fatalistic.

 

[legendkillin]

Wow Barry that was stupid, you basically did exactly what Jay warned you not to do. You allowed fear and paranoia to over turn your life and actions to the point you played right into Savitar .

Hopefully his trip to the speed force Barry will wise up.

As for Wally, I think that he's more of a victim as a result of Barry's recklessness. Unlike the comics verse this version of Wally.

They messed up when Barry planned to change the future by trying to do everything different. I already knew he was going to fear any little thing possibly involving Iris dying. He was not going to live life and enjoy the days he had, but instead try to alter everything. How would getting married change Iris dying? Barry just overthinking.

 

[Frodo]

I liked the episode it was well directed. I feel that Savitar is a lame villain, he is a typical powerful angry villain. I don't care for his motive "You trapped me forever/ you made me into this". His costume is lacking, I can't buy that he was a man in that transformer get up.

I'm also not that great a fan of the villain either , though if he turns out to be Eddie that would be awesome.

Save that, I think RF and Zoom have already stolen Savitar's thunder in terms of Barry's ultimate foes in imo . Hopefully next season's big bad won't be another Speedster, and will be something different and fresh.

 

[X Knight]

I'm also not that great a fan of the villain either , though if he turns out to be Eddie that would be awesome.

Save that, I think RF and Zoom have already stolen Savitar's thunder in terms of Barry's ultimate foes in imo . Hopefully next season's big bad won't be another Speedster, and will be something different and fresh.

I agree about the last part.

it's starting to get stale with the big bad being some kind of speedster.

I thought at the beginning they'd break the pattern with Alchemy as the main villain. but nope.......lol.