Daredevil The Inevitable Costume Thread - Part 1

[Quasar]

I saw that Trial of the Incredible Hulk back when it aired, and actually hoped when Daredevil showed up in his black suit that somehow it wouldn't be Daredevil. (The word Daredevil was spray painted in red earlier in the show, giving him some hope, only to dash it later!) I didn't mind the black suit in the Netflix series, other than it appeared to lack any eye holes. But I did get tired of it before the end of the season.

And just FYI, Dark Raven's the female of the species.

 

[InKaH]

I didn't mind the black suit in the Netflix series, other than it appeared to lack any eye holes.

What the f**k would he need eye holes for??? [BLACKOUT][/BLACKOUT]

 

[Blind_Lawyer]

What the f**k would he need eye holes for??? [BLACKOUT][/BLACKOUT]

To see out of, duh!

 

[InKaH]

To see out of, duh!

Oh yeah... my bad.

 

[Filmfreak]

The thing with no eye holes though is that it kinda killed suspension of disbelief in an otherwise relativily realistic concept that the series has.

I know that no one really suspects a blind man and they kinda threw a cool reference to that at the penultimate episode but we're talking about so many people staring at him directly knowing that he can't possibly see from that mask without ever crossing anyone's mind who he might be especially with a blind lawyer in the mix all of a sudden.

Sure one can say that it was also dark whenever DD was around but there were times where I couldn't really buy it.

 

[SuperSanchez]

To see out of, duh!

You mean like this?

 

[metaphysician]

How exactly is a person supposed to tell that he can't see? They only see him in dark and poorly lit conditions. He also spends a lot of time doing impossible stuff. Given the limited evidence, people are far more likely to go "he's got funky powers" than "he's blind."

 

[Da-Scribe]

I mean Charlie Cox saw through it just fine so I don't see any reason to think you have to be blind to warrant your eyes being covered.

 

[Blind_Lawyer]

You mean like this?

Jesus, that's the kind of things nightmares are made of.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I mean Charlie Cox saw through it just fine so I don't see any reason to think you have to be blind to warrant your eyes being covered.

I was curious how they did it. Were people actual unable to see out of that thing?

Anyway, I have absolutely no problem with the way it was portrayed. It's taken from Man Without Fear and the whole point is he's blind so he doesn't need to see anyway. Generally, he's moving so fast and you're too busy getting your ass kicked that you don't notice there's no eye holes.

 

[Filmfreak]

How exactly is a person supposed to tell that he can't see? They only see him in dark and poorly lit conditions. He also spends a lot of time doing impossible stuff. Given the limited evidence, people are far more likely to go "he's got funky powers" than "he's blind."

You really can't tell that a guy with a black cloth in his head that completely covers his eyes is not able to see anything especially at night? I'm not saying everyone should realize it instantly but I'd guess one of them should at least suspect him of being blind especially when they know Murdock shows up in the mix and gets involved with Fisk's affairs at the same time as DD.

Of course one would think that getting their butts handed to them wouldn't really leave much room to think any of these but there were certainly moments with specific characters where it got too obvious.

Take Claire for example. In episode 2 she finds him and removes the mask to check his eyes with a flashlight. She only suspects that he can't see when she sees the movement of his pupils and yet she had no idea when she took off a mask with no eye holes.

You can't honestly tell me that it wasn't far fetched at times with characters that got to see him up close.

I'm not saying that it ruined the experience or anything for me and at the end of the day it still is a comic book show about a blind guy who fights crime and senses anything within a two block radius. Just saying they could have handled it better at certain points.

 

[ernesth100]

I mean, even if the villains did know DD was blind it wouldn't change much. There are probably several blind people in the city. And he's a lawyer who plays the part of helpless blind man really good. So he'd still have his secret identity and still be kicking bad guys asses.

 

[Marvel Spider]

I mean Charlie Cox saw through it just fine so I don't see any reason to think you have to be blind to warrant your eyes being covered.

Exactly. Someone actually wore that in real life and was able to see.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

Take Claire for example. In episode 2 she finds him and removes the mask to check his eyes with a flashlight. She only suspects that he can't see when she sees the movement of his pupils and yet she had no idea when she took off a mask with no eye holes.

Simple explanation: She assumed that people could see through that mask. The evidence that there was an actor wearing that mask and actually seeing through it validates her assumption.

 

[Filmfreak]

Simple explanation: She assumed that people could see through that mask. The evidence that there was an actor wearing that mask and actually seeing through it validates her assumption.

That's a good point. I still think that having someone see through that mask in real life in the pitch black of night instead of a specially lighted movie set is kind of far fetched but at the end of the day it's not something that I had much of a problem with anyway.

 

[cryptic name]

You really can't tell that a guy with a black cloth in his head that completely covers his eyes is not able to see anything especially at night? I'm not saying everyone should realize it instantly but I'd guess one of them should at least suspect him of being blind especially when they know Murdock shows up in the mix and gets involved with Fisk's affairs at the same time as DD.

Of course one would think that getting their butts handed to them wouldn't really leave much room to think any of these but there were certainly moments with specific characters where it got too obvious.

Take Claire for example. In episode 2 she finds him and removes the mask to check his eyes with a flashlight. She only suspects that he can't see when she sees the movement of his pupils and yet she had no idea when she took off a mask with no eye holes.

You can't honestly tell me that it wasn't far fetched at times with characters that got to see him up close.

I'm not saying that it ruined the experience or anything for me and at the end of the day it still is a comic book show about a blind guy who fights crime and senses anything within a two block radius. Just saying they could have handled it better at certain points.

Anyone who took the time to consider while encountering Daredevil (which is a stretch in most cases, other than maybe Urich) would be much more likely to assume the material of the mask was something he could see out of without people seeing in from the other side. No one would think the man flipping around, fighting 5 guys at once, and throwing things with incredible accuracy was blind because his mask didn't have obvious eye holes, that's crazy.

 

[Breogan]

HAHA no. I'm just curious, show of hands please, how many people knew of the black suit before the Netflix series? .

I did, that's not what sold it though, it was more it's likeness to Miller and Romita Jr. The Man Without Fear.

Plus it just looked badass, in an urban-Zorro way.

 

[Blind_Lawyer]

Simple explanation: She assumed that people could see through that mask. The evidence that there was an actor wearing that mask and actually seeing through it validates her assumption.

Ummmmm...I don't know. Sure, I'll buy she just assumed he could see through the material. But the real world actor validating the assumption of a fictional world character? Where is the evidence to back that up, and how does a scene like this work?

 

[cryptic name]

I did, that's not what sold it though, it was more it's likeness to Miller and Romita Jr. The Man Without Fear.

Plus it just looked badass, in an urban-Zorro way.

I actually wish they'd gone a step further and given him some retro Adidas like this in the series instead of boots.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

You mean like this?

 

[Enriquespy]

Ummmmm...I don't know. Sure, I'll buy she just assumed he could see through the material. But the real world actor validating the assumption of a fictional world character? Where is the evidence to back that up, and how does a scene like this work?

Well, in Mexico many luchadores use black mesh masks and have no problem seeing. Some have "Secret identities" and nobody asumes they are hypersensitive blind lawyers.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Ummmmm...I don't know. Sure, I'll buy she just assumed he could see through the material. But the real world actor validating the assumption of a fictional world character? Where is the evidence to back that up, and how does a scene like this work?

Because there is cloth that exists in the real world that people can see through. That logic can still be applied to a fictional world.

Even throwing that out, they live in a superpowered world. People are for more likely to think he has powers than to believe he is living with a disability.

 

[Blind_Lawyer]

Well, in Mexico many luchadores use black mesh masks and have no problem seeing. Some have "Secret identities" and nobody asumes they are hypersensitive blind lawyers.

Because there is cloth that exists in the real world that people can see through. That logic can still be applied to a fictional world.

Even throwing that out, they live in a superpowered world. People are for more likely to think he has powers than to believe he is living with a disability.

But that's not what aNarcHy2day was saying. They were saying Claire Temple assumed that because Charlie Cox could see through the material, that the material must be mesh. Claire is a fictional character while Charlie Cox is the real world actor. I understand that in a fictional (and real) world someone would assume the person can see through the material because that material's existence is commonplace, but not because an actor from the real world was able to hit their mark while wearing it.

 

[Enriquespy]

That's ok. it's a missuse of meta logic or something.

 

[Da-Scribe]

But that's not what aNarcHy2day was saying. They were saying Claire Temple assumed that because Charlie Cox could see through the material, that the material must be mesh. Claire is a fictional character while Charlie Cox is the real world actor. I understand that in a fictional (and real) world someone would assume the person can see through the material because that material's existence is commonplace, but not because an actor from the real world was able to hit their mark while wearing it.

That's not how I read his/her post. I read it as basically saying what I reiterated. Her assumption was logical because such a thing exists in the real world. It wasn't some meta kinda reference or something.