Iron Man 3 The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[Ultimatehero]

But that potential is dampened a little bit if someone else playing Tony goes toe to toe against Mandy.

Which won't happen. Robert is a stand-up guy. He respects Iron Man just as Hugh Jackman respects Wolverine. We got lucky in a sense that. Iron Man helped put Robert on the map and he's thankful to that, Iron Man is kinda like a kid to him now. Same thing with Jackman - Wolverine put him on the map, so he will forever be grateful to that character.

I'd say we are probably only looking at one more Iron Man film though and three more RDJ Iron Man movies. Avengers 2, Iron Man 4, Avengers 3. Then it's finished. He'll have completed the character's journey/story. It's clear that Iron Man's big finale will be in between Avengers 2 and Avengers 3, seemingly wrapping it up.

I also strongly think Marvel will shake things up after Avengers 3 by - like Marvel itself does - bringing in a new roll call or something we don't know about yet.

Robert has given no inclination in not returning.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'd say we are probably only looking at one more Iron Man film though and three more RDJ Iron Man movies. Avengers 2, Iron Man 4, Avengers 3. Then it's finished. He'll have completed the character's journey/story. It's clear that Iron Man's big finale will be in between Avengers 2 and Avengers 3, seemingly wrapping it up.

Do you have access to Kevin Feige's files on phase 3? How else do you figure that Avengers 3 will be the end of Iron Man's journey? When Feige himself said he is keen to "James Bond" it and keep it going as long as profitable. One would think Marvel has more vision then the standard Hollywood three parters.

 

[Chris B]

I have a quick question for those who have read the novelization: do Iron Man and the Mandarin ever physically meet and have any sort of fight?

 

[kaijunexus]

Spoiler

They take it multiple times and if they don't -- they explode. It's injected once, then its inhaled.

Tony doesn't take it.

There is a "cure" but Tony forgot the formula since it came to him so many years ago at a New Years party. Maya wants him because she thinks he knows a cure. He doesn't.

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I like that they're establishing that Tony's ability to control the armor is derived from his own genius rather than Extremis. It maintains that Tony is still just an abnormally intelligent human being without any real superpowers...just like he should be.

As much as I love the Extremis arc (and like the influences it has had on the IM3 plot), I now find it unfortunate that it was catalyst for giving Tony what amounts to superpowers in the comics now.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Do you have access to Kevin Feige's files on phase 3? How else do you figure that Avengers 3 will be the end of Iron Man's journey? When Feige himself said he is keen to "James Bond" it and keep it going as long as profitable. One would think Marvel has more vision then the standard Hollywood three parters.

At the very least it would be where this Iron Man's story ends. They're setting Mandarin up to be the villain of the next film.

One thing that is for sure - this is not nor is Avengers 2 Robert's final film. If you look at the way he talks about the character and his reaction to the fans, that's fairly obvious to say the least. He's in it for the long haul or to finish this Mandarin story up.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

At the very least it would be where this Iron Man's story ends. They're setting Mandarin up to be the villain of the next film.

If Feige genuinely intends to "James Bond" it, then the same Iron Man story will continue with another actor.

One thing that is for sure - this is not nor is Avengers 2 Robert's final film. If you look at the way he talks about the character and his reaction to the fans, that's fairly obvious to say the least. He's in it for the long haul or to finish this Mandarin story up.

Let's hope so. But it's a little more complicated than having the utmost glee for the character and universe. The contractual and egotistical stars will have to align at the right place.

 

[Ultimatehero]

It is actually obvious what he meant when you're looking at the series as a whole. Feige wants to explore other territory as he more recently said. It seems definitive that after Avengers 3 we are probably looking at a five year gap before the next Iron Man movie. It will be continuing, and probably with a different actor after that point. But with enough time in between -- not just cranking out more and more Iron Man films every two to three years. James Bond doesn't do that.

If it's one thing RDJ is not is egotistical. The guy is one of the most stand up guys in Hollywood similar to Hugh Jackman. He's not the kind of guy to say "give me more money or I jump ship." That's some actors - that's not RDJ. We're talking about a guy who humiliated Ben Stiller because Stiller was being an ass to the crew and RDJ stood up for them. We're talking about that guy. The guy who Shane Black helped restart his career and RDJ just repaid the favor by standing behind him for this film.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It seems definitive that after Avengers 3 we are probably looking at a five year gap before the next Iron Man movie.

How is that definitive? To claim something as "definitive" you would need undeniable proof.

Feige wants to explore other territory as he more recently said.

That doesn't preclude Iron Man.

It will be continuing, and probably with a different actor after that point. But with enough time in between -- not just cranking out more and more Iron Man films every two to three years.

That'll depend on Iron Man's popularity in the Box Office. We will see him less if one of the other properties overtake him as the Studios' golden child or if it squanders its own popularity (for a variety of reasons). We will see him just as much if they don't.

James Bond doesn't do that.

It did however continue a single, unbroken (if loose) continuity until 2002.

If it's one thing RDJ is not is egotistical.

I don't remember specifying anybody.

The guy is one of the most stand up guys in Hollywood similar to Hugh Jackman. He's not the kind of guy to say "give me more money or I jump ship." That's some actors - that's not RDJ. We're talking about a guy who humiliated Ben Stiller because Stiller was being an ass to the crew and RDJ stood up for them. We're talking about that guy. The guy who Shane Black helped restart his career and RDJ just repaid the favor by standing behind him for this film.

Contract negotiations are an ugly battle that turns even the most nicest of guys into calculated businessmen.

 

[Ultimatehero]

In that as a story teller it makes the most sense. You have stop taking words so literally.

So, MARVEL is going to start making four films a year? It's obvious that in order to pave way there will need to be more time in-between.

Then you have Avengers. Main point being, RDJ is quite clearly not going to jump ship right before they get to the finale of the story he started with.

Nobody's saying not the same continuity. And here moreso than in James Bond. But, Mandarin will not remain a bad guy for every single Iron Man film. You're not going to have Mandarin staying the big bad in the sixth film. That would just be repetitive and horrible story-telling. With the way this film ends it's obvious that he is the big bad in the forth film. Then there will be another big bad for the next set of Iron Man films probably.

And hey, you're free to be cynical - but from the insider stories I've heard about him, that's not him. Some actors take below salary even if they believe in a film and the film needs its budget elsewhere and THAT is the kind of guy RDJ is.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Nobody's saying not the same continuity. And here moreso than in James Bond. But, Mandarin will not remain a bad guy for every single Iron Man film. You're not going to have Mandarin staying the big bad in the sixth film. That would just be repetitive and horrible story-telling. With the way this film ends it's obvious that he is the big bad in the forth film. Then there will be another big bad for the next set of Iron Man films probably.

Whoa whoa whoa... how do we know this? Where is this info coming from? I must be outta the loop.

 

[CrypticOne]

I don't understand....

Spoiler

Does Tony go through Extremis? And for what reason would he go through this process?

 

[Xeno]

RDJ is having a blast in China.

 

[Spuzz]

D'awwwwwww

 

[kaijunexus]

Spoiler

They take it multiple times and if they don't -- they explode. It's injected once, then its inhaled.

Tony doesn't take it.

There is a "cure" but Tony forgot the formula since it came to him so many years ago at a New Years party. Maya wants him because she thinks he knows a cure. He doesn't.

Actually, I just realized...

Spoiler

If Tony doesn't take the Extremis virus...then what is he doing in the hospital getting surgery from Dr. Wu?!

 

[Ultimatehero]

The whole third act seems to have changed in that...

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Pepper is taken prisoner to the docks -- whereas in the film she is taken onboard Air Force One (she was not there in the book).

Mandarin I doubt would be a bigger presence however because they'd need to almost cram him in there the way it is now.

He might take it. He keeps on getting panic attacks. Maybe it's at the very end though and it's the only thing that can keep him alive.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Whoa whoa whoa... how do we know this? Where is this info coming from? I must be outta the loop.

Read a page back -- spoilerish, let that slip. But, yeah, he has a presence in this film but is being set up for the forth film big showdown. Which also explains why we see so little of him in all the previews.

 

[darkslayer101]

I have to admit... I was leery at first, but now I'm kind of loving that this film apparently is just continuing to build up the Mandarin as this behind-the-scenes uber-villain as Iron Man 1 did, but is still not featuring him as the MAIN bad guy.

I have no doubt that there will be an Iron Man 4 and that it will display the Mandarin front and center in all of his glory and he actually goes toe-to-toe with Tony Stark. I would imagine Mandarin will probably have augmented his rings in some way to actually engage with Iron Man physically by that point...

Now I am now not that worried about killian being the main baddie if what you posted is what marvel follows

 

[Scarlettess]

btw Ben Kingsley is on Johnathan Ross (ITV) right now talking about Iron Man 3. (not much we don't know already, or he hasnt already said)

 

[Scarlettess]

they just showed an exclusive clip of mandarin

Spoiler

threatening to shoot someone from the US government in front of, i assume, the president,

(put quote in spoilers in case anyone doesnt want to know)

Spoiler

"He looks like an innocent man. I will shoot him, in the head in 30 seconds, live on TV."

edit: Ben's now singing haha hes quite good actually.

 

[chamber-music]

Was that Geroge Clooney's cousin Miguel Ferrer aka Bob Morton form Robocop in that Air Force One clip standing by the president?

 

[Ultimatehero]

To add to the Extremis debate, here are the final lines of the film (and definitely because it sounds like a Shane Black line, it has his stamp all over it):

Spoiler

"So maybe it ends here, or maybe it just begins again. The circle of life, right? Just like The Lion King. See it turns out that Iron Man wasn't a home, and it wasn't a shell. It was a cocoon. And now I'm a changed man. I'm Tony Stark."

The story is that he doesn't need the armor to be a hero.

It's about him having to overcome feeling like he isn't enough against these powered heroes -- so the threat here is him against powered human bad guys. That a mortal man is good enough.

Taken from that, I think that pic might just be from an operation to save whatever medical illness he has.

 

[protocida]

Robert Downey Jr. mentioned that [BLACKOUT]Dr. Wu is the reason why he's alive at the end of Iron Man 3.[/BLACKOUT]

I'm guessing that

Spoiler

Tony takes Extremis at the end to enhance his mental abilities enough to control all the 42 armors, and then Dr. Wu surgically removes it using the "cure" Stark comes up with before the Extremis causes him to go kaboom.

 

[Blu3H3ll]

Spoiler

Clip on Jonathan Ross was interesting even though it was shorter than a TV spot. Kingsley first explained that he based his character on somebody who felt righteous - a villain who thinks he is right which makes it scarier. He said the accent can't be defined but there was definitely an American tone to it in the clip. The clip showed how much access The Mandarin has to the media as he says 'I will shoot him, in the head in 30 seconds, live on television. The pauses were perfect and he sounded so sinister. Can't wait to see more!

 

[marvel_freshman]

Someone recorded it

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[T"Challa]

Kingsley looks and sounds pretty sinister.