The Joker Thread - Part 1

[AndyTrevino]

Not suggesting Dafoe for this particular franchise, this is just something I found.
We often focus on his look but I think his voice is really great too.

This reminds me a lot of that Smilex commercial from the 1989 movie and the commercial from that TAS Laughing Fish episode.

 

[emielaen]

I've wanted him in a comic book movie for a long time now

he should be co-writing and starring in DCs Plastic Man.

 

[emielaen]

I seriously need this Joker to have Joker Venom. Can you imagine how horrifyingly twisted his victims would look? Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t mind Joker slicing people from ear to ear like Black Dahlia, but having people to laugh to death is still one of his best kill methods.

I’d love for the extreme and extraordinary chemist to come to the forefront.

 

[metaphysician]

I’d love for the extreme and extraordinary chemist to come to the forefront.

I would suggest not limiting it to chemistry. In my perfect world, the next incarnation of the Joker would brilliant engineer and inventory more broadly, because my preferred next version of the Joker is "the Anti-Batman": an individual driven by tragedy to achieve extraordinary heights of genius, willpower, and courage. Just with a radically, catastrophically different ideology. Whereas Bruce seeks to impose order on the malicious chaos of the world around him, the Joker seeks to control the chaos, to ride it like a tiger. Its not about an ideological drive to encourage others to believe in anarchy ( that's the Ledger version ), but a personal belief that the world is chaos, and that they are personally suited for thriving in such an environment. This Joker doesn't care about what others believe, except insofar as it makes them vulnerable or amuses him. He's selfish and, technically, rational, but also profoundly whimsical; power is about being able to do what you want, even if what you want is absurd. . . because you have the power.

Or basically, Batman is a genius prodigy vigilante, who's end goal is to transform Gotham into a just and happy place. The Joker is a genius prodigy crimelord, who's end goal is to rule Gotham, and transform it into a place where he, the Joker, can do whatever the hell he wants.

( If you want to imagine Aiden Gillan in clown makeup, feel free. "Chaos is a ladder" is a great philosophy in Gotham City. )

 

[AndyTrevino]

I would suggest not limiting it to chemistry. In my perfect world, the next incarnation of the Joker would brilliant engineer and inventory more broadly, because my preferred next version of the Joker is "the Anti-Batman": an individual driven by tragedy to achieve extraordinary heights of genius, willpower, and courage. Just with a radically, catastrophically different ideology. Whereas Bruce seeks to impose order on the malicious chaos of the world around him, the Joker seeks to control the chaos, to ride it like a tiger. Its not about an ideological drive to encourage others to believe in anarchy ( that's the Ledger version ), but a personal belief that the world is chaos, and that they are personally suited for thriving in such an environment. This Joker doesn't care about what others believe, except insofar as it makes them vulnerable or amuses him. He's selfish and, technically, rational, but also profoundly whimsical; power is about being able to do what you want, even if what you want is absurd. . . because you have the power.

Or basically, Batman is a genius prodigy vigilante, who's end goal is to transform Gotham into a just and happy place. The Joker is a genius prodigy crimelord, who's end goal is to rule Gotham, and transform it into a place where he, the Joker, can do whatever the hell he wants.

( If you want to imagine Aiden Gillan in clown makeup, feel free. "Chaos is a ladder" is a great philosophy in Gotham City. )

I'm not super invested in a sympathetic Joker, especially after Phoenix. It's more harrowing and makes more sense for him to be kinda twisted from the start, given that everybody's afraid of The Joker in the comics and just how naturally violence and manipulation seem to come to him

 

[emielaen]

I would suggest not limiting it to chemistry. In my perfect world, the next incarnation of the Joker would brilliant engineer and inventory more broadly, because my preferred next version of the Joker is "the Anti-Batman": an individual driven by tragedy to achieve extraordinary heights of genius, willpower, and courage. Just with a radically, catastrophically different ideology. Whereas Bruce seeks to impose order on the malicious chaos of the world around him, the Joker seeks to control the chaos, to ride it like a tiger. Its not about an ideological drive to encourage others to believe in anarchy ( that's the Ledger version ), but a personal belief that the world is chaos, and that they are personally suited for thriving in such an environment. This Joker doesn't care about what others believe, except insofar as it makes them vulnerable or amuses him. He's selfish and, technically, rational, but also profoundly whimsical; power is about being able to do what you want, even if what you want is absurd. . . because you have the power.

Or basically, Batman is a genius prodigy vigilante, who's end goal is to transform Gotham into a just and happy place. The Joker is a genius prodigy crimelord, who's end goal is to rule Gotham, and transform it into a place where he, the Joker, can do whatever the hell he wants.

( If you want to imagine Aiden Gillan in clown makeup, feel free. "Chaos is a ladder" is a great philosophy in Gotham City. )

Brilliant.

 

[Eddie Dean]

McConaughey was a very popular name few years back. Let’s bring him back.

 

[Matt.S99]

Dafoe is obviously a fantastic choice, but I have to wonder if the fancast popularity will hurt his chances or not. There's also the obvious factors, like whether or not he'd say yes, if Reeves even wants him for the role, etc.

And, like Art Vandelay said, they COULD use de-aging technology and/or makeup.

instead of de-aging effects, what if they do some practical techniques to “pull back” his face to deliberately make him look more strange and creepy. Less human looking.
I feel like that could add an extra level of unsettling to the character.

 

[AndyTrevino]

instead of de-aging effects, what if they do some practical techniques to “pull back” his face to deliberately make him look more strange and creepy. Less human looking.
I feel like that could add an extra level of unsettling to the character.

Dafoe's face is already pretty stretched out though. He has a creepy-enough look to begin with

 

[AndyTrevino]

McConaughey was a very popular name few years back. Let’s bring him back.

He'd be cool, but I'd rather have him as Norman Osborn.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm not super invested in a sympathetic Joker, especially after Phoenix. It's more harrowing and makes more sense for him to be kinda twisted from the start, given that everybody's afraid of The Joker in the comics and just how naturally violence and manipulation seem to come to him

Not especially seeing what is sympathetic about a Joker who makes the word a worse place, because he can, for fun.

 

[Eddie Dean]

He'd be cool, but I'd rather have him as Norman Osborn.

Well I don't think Marvel has any interest in bringing back the Osborns

 

[SwordOfMorning]

No, if they mentioned Uncle Ben and used the Osbornes that might make their Spider-Man movies feel too much like Spider-Man movies.

 

[shauner111]

He'd be cool, but I'd rather have him as Norman Osborn.

It’d be a lot coooooler if he was Harvey.

 

[Captain Tired]

I think McConaughey is frighteningly, tremendously overrated as an actor.

Having said that, I did think he was really funny when he was acting as the straight man to Tom Cruise's Les Grossman in Tropic Thunder. I really liked him in that. Maybe McConaughey could star in a buddy cop comedy movie with Detective Chimp. Think Jim Belushi in K-9.

 

[hellblazer103]

It’d be a lot coooooler if he was Harvey.

Wasn't that a rumor?

No, if they mentioned Uncle Ben and used the Osbornes that might make their Spider-Man movies feel too much like Spider-Man movies.

Just make him motivated by Tony Stark.

Boom. They'll eat it up

 

[AndyTrevino]

Not especially seeing what is sympathetic about a Joker who makes the word a worse place, because he can, for fun.

Well, you said "driven by tragedy", so I just assumed that meant making him sympathetic.

 

[Boom]

I think McConaughey is frighteningly, tremendously overrated as an actor.

Having said that, I did think he was really funny when he was acting as the straight man to Tom Cruise's Les Grossman in Tropic Thunder. I really liked him in that. Maybe McConaughey could star in a buddy cop comedy movie with Detective Chimp. Think Jim Belushi in K-9.

To be fair, McConaughey's Rustin Cohle is one of the great television performances of the century. And while he was great in Dallas Buyers Club, I much preferred his more nuanced performance in Mud.

He had a superb 2-3 year stint, but had since fallen off the face of the earth.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Beach Bum was just last year!

 

[Captain Tired]

Uh huh. I wasn't further insulting him by fancasting him in a Detective Chimp film btw.

I just think he'd do well acting opposite a talking chimp in a comedy movie. That'd be hilarious for me to watch.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Uh huh. I wasn't further insulting him by fancasting him in a Detective Chimp film btw.

I just think he'd do well acting opposite a talking chimp in a comedy movie. That'd be hilarious for me to watch.

My sense of humor is so warped that anything with a chimp is automatically funny to me

 

[AndyTrevino]

I think McConaughey is frighteningly, tremendously overrated as an actor.

Having said that, I did think he was really funny when he was acting as the straight man to Tom Cruise's Les Grossman in Tropic Thunder. I really liked him in that. Maybe McConaughey could star in a buddy cop comedy movie with Detective Chimp. Think Jim Belushi in K-9.

I feel the same way about Johnny Depp, Gerard Butler, George Clooney, Tom Selleck, and Kiefer Sutherland (but to be fair, I've only seen those last two in mediocre primetime "dramas").

 

[Captain Tired]

Agreed on the first three. I quite like the last two. Though I don't think anyone would ever call Selleck a great actor in the first place lol

 

[AndyTrevino]

Agreed on the first three. I quite like the last two. Though I don't think anyone would ever call Selleck a great actor in the first place lol

Lmao my grandma would disagree

 

[AndyTrevino]

I'm tired of everyone saying that The Joker "does everything for a reason" and how "everything he does is to prove a point". Let's change that, even though that becoming popularized could annoy me.