The Joker Thread - Part 1

[Eddie Dean]

People really not taking into account that these pictures are shot on a long lense from very far away. Why would they have someone interacting with your main actor that looks close enough to another actor in the cast that a lot of people think it’s him? You guys heard of Occamm’s Razor? Use your mind. It would be like if the guy who played one of Falcone’s goons in Batman Begins looked like Gary Oldman.

 

[DKDetective]

People really not taking into account that these pictures are shot on a long lense from very far away. Why would they have someone interacting with your main actor that looks close enough to another actor in the cast that a lot of people think it’s him? You guys heard of Occamm’s Razor? Use your mind. It would be like if the guy who played one of Falcone’s goons in Batman Begins looked like Gary Oldman.

They also have another matching freckle in front of the end of their right sideburns:

So now we have an actor who not only bears a close resemblence to Keoghan in terms of overall facial structure and hairstyle, but in the high definition closeups of the side of his head has the same right ear shape and two freckles in the exact same locations, one at the base of the jaw below the ear and one just in front of the sideburn.

 

[Boom]

I swear to God I am going crazy because at a glance that guy did not look like Keoghan to me.

Something about the eyes.

 

[Eddie Dean]

It’s shot from super far away with a long lense and Barry had a bunch of films that where released a long time after filming and he looks different now. I can see why on first glance you’d think it wouldn’t be him, but the details and just common sense all leads it to be Barry.

 

[DKDetective]

He’s been hinting at it for over a year in his mailbags and tweets. I’m not going to dig them all out for you Eddie. If you don't believe it, so be it. There were a couple of other ppl who said the same in response to Jett back then.

But there is no chance in hell that THIS is Barry Keoghan. If anyone says yes you simply don't know Barry's face very well lol.
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It’s shot from super far away with a long lense and Barry had a bunch of films that where released a long time after filming and he looks different now. I can see why on first glance you’d think it wouldn’t be him, but the details and just common sense all leads it to be Barry.

I can't believe some people in here are making me do this, but I think this is pretty definitive:



Apologies for my poor, old school Microsoft Paint skills, but I'm old and rusty. The freckle pattern is pretty clear if you zoom in.

I swear to God I am going crazy because at a glance that guy did not look like Keoghan to me.

Something about the eyes.

It's okay. At least, you are seeing the light and willing to re-consider your opinion... Unlike some others.

 

[Lily Adler]

I can't believe some people in here are making me do this, but I think this is pretty definitive:
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Apologies for my poor, old school Microsoft Paint skills, but I'm old and rusty. The freckle pattern is pretty clear if you zoom in.


It's okay. At least, you are seeing the light and willing to re-consider your opinion... Unlike some others.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm confused by the theory that Barry "Creepy Kid in that Deer Movie" Guy is considered "too big of an actor" for a bit part/not to be recognized at a test screening? I have seen him in a number of movies, and didn't even realize his name until I watched The Green Knight.

I am also confused by why anyone would watch anyone other then the other lead from Brokeback Mountain after Nightcrawler, but it's a funny world we live in.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I'm confused by the theory that Barry "Creepy Kid that Dear Movie" Guy is considered "too big of an actor" for a bit part/not to be recognized at a test screening? I have seen him in a number of movies, and didn't even realize his name until I watched The Green Knight.

I am also confused by why anyone would watch anyone other then the other lead from Brokeback Mountain after Nightcrawler, but it's a funny world we live in.

Maybe people don't know him by name necessarily but they're starting to recognize him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Maybe people don't know him by name necessarily but they're starting to recognize him.

Starting to, yeah. But people in here are acting like he's Brad Pitt or Leo. That's not who he is. Maybe he plays a cop and becomes more later after what happens in The Batman. But the idea that those photos aren't him, is just kind of ridiculous. He even has the right haircut.

 

[Eddie Dean]

He's an up and comer, but he's not big enough to not be playing a supporting role.

 

[emielaen]

All of these “use your minds” are pretty funny

 

[Mindreaper21]

Just pay attention to the detail in the ears. It’s not rocket science.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm not getting too in the weeds in this, but for argument's sake, even if that's Barry...just the fact that this random 'unimportant' character seems to be sharing a moment with Bruce Wayne seems kind of interesting, no? It only makes me want to know more about who this character might be.

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Entirely opinion based smh

He's friends with Michael Uslan. First one I saw hint about Keaton's return before the trades picked it up. He may not be a full-on insider, but he definitely catches wind of some of the bigger things.

I've been following Jett and BOF for a very, very long time. People can think what they will of him, but for him to repeatedly hint about this kind of thing is definitely his way of giving a heads up. It wouldn't be like him to base a statement like that on sheer speculation. You don't have to like it, but I'm telling you straight up that he's not saying that kind of stuff just to project his own fanboy wishes. That's never been his MO, especially on a project that he seems to have a lot of faith in. If anything, his MO is more to leave these subtle hints so he can later say "I knew all along!". Again, like him or not, that's just how it is.

For the record, I truly don't care what character Barry is playing and am just intrigued that this buzzy up and coming actor is part of an already pretty robust cast, yet they are doing NOTHING to advertise his presence in this movie. I won't be disappointed if he's nobody important. But I think there is compelling evidence mounting that it will go the other way here.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I don't suppose there's a chance we're seeing Barry's stand-in?

 

[Invader Joker]

I still don't think that Barry's role is going to be just a random cop.

 

[Eddie Dean]

A random cop? No. A cop whose role is about the same as Flass in Begins or Modine in DKR? Seems pretty likely.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I don't suppose there's a chance we're seeing Barry's stand-in?

With the same freckles and ears?

 

[Black Narcissus]

With the same freckles and ears?

Now match the side of his eyelids cause I don't see it, but I trust you., bald man. Carmen Carrera told me trust you and I shall.

 

[BatLobster]

If it weren't for the fact that Reeves is leaning so heavily into the world-building here and the fact that I already kind of expected Joker to be touched on in this movie somehow, I wouldn't be paying as much attention to this. Factor in that Barry does have growing buzz but is being kept away from the marketing for this film. Plus the fact that he happens to have a very striking face that one could easily picture behind the makeup, and it feels like like a clever little fan theory that can't be ruled out. Once you add Jett's repeated hints into the works, the fact that only Colin Farrell and Barry are following the film's makeup artist like @shauner111 pointed out...I think that's when you have to start acknowledging that there's a real chance this could happen.

I don't think it's worth getting all emotionally invested in whether he is or isn't, it's fun to speculate-- but there are some very valid reasons to be suspicious here just as there are valid reasons to be doubtful.

 

[shauner111]

Then you need your eyes checked. You need to stop focusing on features that are partly obscured or that could be distorted by the camera lens and focus instead on what is directly in focus.

Look at the ear, the shape, features and lobe are identical to the shot of Barry posted with Farrell on the last page.

They’re not. Get two new pairs of glasses.

 

[DKDetective]

They’re not. Get two new pairs of glasses.

Check the freckle pattern, it is exactly the same. Different people do not have multiple of the same freckles in the exact same locations.

 

[shauner111]

Eddie points out one recent comment from Jett, as if he doesn't have dozens more.

And I love the skating around Barry's scar. I also love collecting apologies when they come in packs of 5.

Yes it's possible that's his stand-in if Barry couldn't get there during the pandemic. But I have to repeat something...he wasn't credited as a valet. He was credited as a police officer. But let's ignore that too lol.

It's not even Barry's eyes smh.

 

[JubJub86]

Much as I don't want him as Joker, hoping it's not true, I do think you all might be onto something here unfortunately.

The logic of "he's not some one-two-scener" guy checks out. As has been said, he said he's proud of his work on the film, you're probably not saying that if you're like Ramirez in TDK level role. Combined with the fact that while he's hardly a leading-man level actor yet, he's established and on the rise.

The Gotham show theory is the other way it could go that makes sense. He's the lead/co-lead of that, they don't want to say who yet, but he's being introduced here in the film with promises of expansion. I can totally buy what that is.

If he's indeed a rogue being kept secret, revealed at the end, unfortunately I do think Joker's probably the rational conclusion from that. It's who he fits best, much as the choice would bug me. He's got the odd face, the unsettling vibe about him. Ballpark of Pattinson's age (not on board with the idea of young/younger Joker personally, but if you're Reeves & WB it makes all the sense in the world). Probably doesn't command a huge salary just yet so you can get him reasonably cheap before he 50/50 explodes as a popular actor later on.

If he is a villain, you'd figure Joker would be it. Who else would he fit as anyway, Mad Hatter? Not that many options.

*Shrugs* I feel like it's too early for Joker anyway, maybe tease him at the end of a second or even just plain leave him for a third. But pretty sure WB wouldn't see it that way. Could be this is legit, it certainly seemed like one of the more-plausible rumors from way back when during filming.

Super-sneaky-Joker-reveal or lead TV show cop would be where I'd put my money. Hope it's the latter.

 

[Captain Tired]

I don't suppose there's a chance we're seeing Barry's stand-in?

What a terrifying moment it must be to be told you look enough like Barry Keoghan that you can stand in for him.

 

[JubJub86]

Master Splinter's doing body-double work now? Poor Mr Yoshi.