Justice League The Joss Whedon Thread

Considering that I watched the Burton films as a child without adult supervision, I find them perfectly suitable for children. And I seem to recall kids having a great time with the Nolan films as well.


How did those perform at the box office?

Shifting the goal posts I see. The point being discussed was that superhero movies should be made keeping kids in consideration. The box office has nothing to do with it.

For instance, Tim Story's Fantastic Four movies were suitable for kids, how did those perform at box Office ?
 
In any case, this is perhaps a silly argument to have at all, considering the studio made the necessary cuts to get a PG-13 version of BvS in theaters. So cooler heads prevailed in that sense.
When in reality all the studio needed to cut was him dropping the F bomb and the Seal giving the middle finger and you could've kept the movie as is.
 
When in reality all the studio needed to cut was him dropping the F bomb and the Seal giving the middle finger and you could've kept the movie as is.

Lol true. And the blood, but they had taken it out already in the TC.
 
Shifting the goal posts I see. The point being discussed was that superhero movies should be made keeping kids in consideration. The box office has nothing to do with it.
You don't think Superman Returns or HULK would have made a bit more money had they appealed to a wider range of age demographics? Those films catered to niche audience bases (Superman Returns relying on nostalgia from the Donner base, for example), and as a result nobody else turned up for them. That's what I was getting at.

For instance, Tim Story's Fantastic Four movies were suitable for kids, how did those perform at box Office ?
Fair enough. There's no exact science to this. All I'm saying is that I don't think there is any excuse for these characters not to be adapted in such a way that they appeal to universal audiences - adults, children, men, women, seniors, and any number of ethnic groups alike. Frankly, I find it quite distressing that so many fans online seem to advocate alienating kids with these movies. Your mileage may vary on that, in which case I'll agree to disagree.
 
Ironically, Marvel Studio's The Incredible Hulk was made to appeal a wide demographic (Kids, adults and teens) but the result at Box Office was same. :oldrazz:

It made same amount of money. (more of less) and what's more.. both movies have exactly same average RT rating. (6.2/10)
 
Fair enough. There's no exact science to this. All I'm saying is that I don't think there is any excuse for these characters not to be adapted in such a way that they appeal to universal audiences - adults, children, men, women, seniors, and any number of ethnic groups alike. Frankly, I find it quite distressing that so many fans online seem to advocate alienating kids with these movies. Your mileage may vary on that, in which case I'll agree to disagree.

Yeah, a balance needs to be there, I think Nolan's Batman Begins, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2, Iron Man and Wonder Woman are good example of getting the balance right. Not too kiddified and not too mature.
 
Ironically, Marvel Studio's The Incredible Hulk was made to appeal a wide demographic (Kids, adults and teens) but the result at Box Office was same. :oldrazz:

It made same amount of money. (more of less) and what's more.. both movies have exactly same average RT rating. (6.2/10)
I have my own theories as to why the Hulk films keep underperforming, though that's a topic for another thread.

I don't think The Incredible Hulk's accessibility to children had anything to do with it necessarily.
 
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I have my own theories as to why the Hulk films keep underperforming, though that's a topic for another thread.

I don't think it's accessibility has anything to do with it.

Because Hulk like smouldering fire.
 
I have my own theories as to why the Hulk films keep underperforming, though that's a topic for another thread.

I don't think The Incredible Hulk's accessibility to children had anything to do with it necessarily.

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We live in a world where critics consider MCU films to be "phenomenal". That's idiotic.

A glass house? Should I delete those films from my sig just in case someone could ridicule me because of them?

So when someone write things against BvS because he thinks it sucks, it's alright, when someone do the same with MCU, it's not alright. Sure. :o

Somebody considers Batman and Superman R rated film to be something idiotic. Somebody else considers film critics over-praising mediocre unchallenging films idiotic. Just an example of what different people can find idiotic about this whole situation.
The difference is that BvS is a terrible movie. Call it subjective, numbers don't lie. A Spider-Man movie, in it's second reboot within the past 10 years, surpassed BvS at the box office. Thor's 3rd movie is likely to follow suit. Let's not even get into which one did better with the critics.

You're a brave soldier calling out MCU films for being over-praised mediocre unchallenging films while having BvS as one of your top CBM's. Good for you though, sticking up for what you believe in.

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Spider-man w/ Iron man movie*

Thor w/Hulk movie*

not that it makes BvS look better obviously
 
Spider-man w/ Iron man movie*

Thor w/Hulk movie*

not that it makes BvS look better obviously

Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Lex Luthor, Doomsday... All for the first time on screen together. Lol, no it doesn't make BvS look better.
 

So quick with the gif? I'm repeating what you said, I'm not arguing with you. I'm adding to your argument because I'm pointing out that BvS had multiple superheroes as well. Just like you pointed out for Homecoming and Ragnarok.

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I'm repeating what you said, I'm not arguing with you.

Sure you were buddy

I'm adding to your argument because I'm pointing out that BvS had multiple superheroes as well

You're adding to my argument by pointing out that a movie called BATMAN v SUPERMAN had multiple superheroes?

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Don't feel bad if you misread something, thanks for the laugh anyways :mnm:
 
Sure you were buddy



You're adding to my argument by pointing out that a movie called BATMAN v SUPERMAN had multiple superheroes?

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Don't feel bad if you misread something, thanks for the laugh anyways :mnm:

Yup? Wonder Woman was there, did you miss her?

It's the same as you saying that Spidey had Iron Man and Thor had Hulk.

I honestly don't see what's so confusing about this, nor did I misread anything. Clearly you've misread my post. But at least you're having fun, and that's what counts.
 
The difference is that BvS is a terrible movie. Call it subjective, numbers don't lie. A Spider-Man movie, in it's second reboot within the past 10 years, surpassed BvS at the box office. Thor's 3rd movie is likely to follow suit. Let's not even get into which one did better with the critics.

You're a brave soldier calling out MCU films for being over-praised mediocre unchallenging films while having BvS as one of your top CBM's. Good for you though, sticking up for what you believe in.

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• Numbers don't lie? Quite the contrary. Argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."
• Critics? Argumentum ad verecundiam, another formal fallacy.

I stick up for what I believe in because I genuinly feel so. I believe BvS is a fantastic movie and I know I'm quite bored by MCU films, mostly by those critics call "phenomenal" and "great fun". :funny:
 
• Numbers don't lie? Quite the contrary. Argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."
• Critics? Argumentum ad verecundiam, another formal fallacy.

I stick up for what I believe in because I genuinly feel so. I believe BvS is a fantastic movie and I know I'm quite bored by MCU films, mostly by those critics call "phenomenal" and "great fun". :funny:

Let's agree to disagree. :up:

As long as they keep the DCeU going, you still win. Which may be the case considering how invested they are at this point.
 
Yup? Wonder Woman was there, did you miss her?

It's the same as you saying that Spidey had Iron Man and Thor had Hulk.

I honestly don't see what's so confusing about this, nor did I misread anything. Clearly you've misread my post. But at least you're having fun, and that's what counts.

Do you know how to save posts on this site to enjoy later on?
 
There is a real Superhero fatique right now. Marvel has the upperhand because everybody is invested in the Avengers characters.DC doesnt have that right now. So Marvelizing the franchise wont help. They need big names and solid films right now. Average might cut it voor Marvel right now but an avarage DC film will bomb.
 
Let's agree to disagree. :up:

As long as they keep the DCeU going, you still win. Which may be the case considering how invested they are at this point.

I've lost already since Snyder is out, but otherwise.
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I've lost already since Snyder is out, but otherwise.
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Not to add salt to the wound, but has it been confirmed anywhere that he's no longer affiliated with the DCeU from a directing standpoint? I know he's involved in Aquaman, but as far as JL2 or perhaps MOS2?
 
Given the way you can interpret some of his social media reactions, I don't think he's really satisfied with what WB has done to his film. Hardly doubt he'll ever work on anything superhero related after this, especially on the DCEU front.
 
There is a real Superhero fatique right now. Marvel has the upperhand because everybody is invested in the Avengers characters.DC doesnt have that right now. So Marvelizing the franchise wont help. They need big names and solid films right now. Average might cut it voor Marvel right now but an avarage DC film will bomb.

Agreed. Strange, Ragnarok, GotG 2, all just ok movies but since MCU appeals to so much people they're more than fine.

I think DCEU will focus on solo films now, trying to continue in the path of WW (another MCU-like over-rated film :funny:). Hope they know they cannot marvelize their franchise since that's pointless, so maybe they'll finally take more time to properly develop those films instead of rushing them.
 
Given the way you can interpret some of his social media reactions, I don't think he's really satisfied with what WB has done to his film. Hardly doubt he'll ever work on anything superhero related after this, especially on the DCEU front.

I don't think he'll be turning any directing job away after his DCeU fiasco.

Nor do I think any other studio would even consider him the man for the job. Three strikes you're out.
 

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