The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 5

[Donut]

The trailer has to fool people & look good or it wont make money. Especially off of the fan base

 

[Dr Tactics]

I don't think you have to worry about that. You have to remember that the scene took place in ancient Egypt. When he was still young and growing up. The next film takes place in the 1980's, I'm sure there will be an adult actor in the role.

How shocking would it be if the trailer for this FF film actually looks good.

As shocking as when its snowing in Miami... That did happen about 37 years ago so I guess a good FF trailer is possible in respect

 

[SpideyFan866]

the fact FOX didn't even put Apoc's trade mark lines on his young face has me worried for their interpretations of the character

I don't think he always had those.

 

[Crimz]

I read that they have started filming outside with a young Reed and Ben and haved casted Reed's mother. To me, this sounds a lot like that alleged first synopsis, of the whole getting powers separately.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't think he always had those.

pretty sure he did... not positive. but pretty sure

 

[Dr. Thanos]

pretty sure he did... not positive. but pretty sure

Nope, he hasn't always had them.

I read that they have started filming outside with a young Reed and Ben and haved casted Reed's mother. To me, this sounds a lot like that alleged first synopsis, of the whole getting powers separately.

That's if they even get powers! Because as we know, the best approach is the "grounded" version where the names are just abstract representations of their character. The Invisible Woman as a girl who feels "invisible" because she's ignored, anyone?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Nope, he hasn't always had them.




That's if they even get powers! Because as we know, the best approach is the "grounded" version where the names are just abstract representations of their character. The Invisible Woman as a girl who feels "invisible" because she's ignored, anyone?

to be honest... i cant really see his mouth in the image to be able to tell... there's shadow over where they'd be

 

[Gabe99]

Comics Alliance March 25, 2011:
Welcome to the Future Foundation: ‘FF’ #1 Annotation

FF #1 came out this week, a reboot and continuation of the longstanding Marvel franchise by Jonathan Hickman, Steve Epting, Rick Magyar and Paul Mounts.

One month after the death of Johnny Storm, the Human Torch, the surviving members of the Fantastic Four — Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic), Sue Storm (The Invisible Woman) and Ben Grimm (The Thing) — kick into high gear as the Future Foundation with new uniforms, a new mandate and new members

Comics Alliance August 9, 2012:
Fraction Forms ‘FF’ And ‘Fantastic Four’ Futures With Allred and Bagley

Fraction will be joined by Ultimate Spider-Man co-creator Mark Bagley on Fantastic Four, as the two send the Richards family (along with Uncle Johnny and Uncle Ben, of course) on a road trip across time and space

During the road trip, which is planned to last a year, their place in the Marvel Universe will be taken by a hand-picked replacement team, who’ll be taking over the FF book with art by Mike Allred. That team will include Ant-Man, Medusa, She-Hulk and a brand new character called “Miss Thing,”

The Fantastic Four At Marvel In 2015 – But How?

Could possibly Fantastic Four comic will still exist but with a different cast. A very different cast. And very different to the movie – a creative solution to Perlmutter’s demand.

 

[wobbly]

Nope, he hasn't always had them.

He has. That's a reduced down shot from the cover of his 1st origin issue. His face in the book (once fully revealed, it's covered or obscured by bad art for much of it, as in the cover shot) has the trademark lips and cheek lines.

 

[Dr. Thanos]

He has. That's a reduced down shot from the cover of his 1st origin issue. His face in the book (once fully revealed, it's covered or obscured by bad art for much of it, as in the cover shot) has the trademark lips and cheek lines.

Ah, alright. I haven't read anything with Apocalypse in a few years, so I wouldn't know.

But he's a shapeshifter anyway, so it's not like they can't add the lines in the 2016 movie just because he didn't have them in that flashback.

 

[fangz]

I think maybe I figured this out this morning.

This whole time I've been puzzled how Trank could be going along with this all, and how the actors could and all this. And I've thought of him as being like Fox's new kid on the block and sitting around waiting for them to tell him what's going on.

But I thought today... what if Trank is the whole reason for all the weirdness? And this makes so much sense. He's probably not communicating with them, probably not really acting like people usually do. I think that he fundamentally just doesn't care at a level that most people making these kind of films end up at least acting like they care.

So this is all just speculation, but looking at it this way makes so much more sense. Like how Kate Mara in that interview is like... yeah, it's weird, i know, but that's the truth.. I don't know much about this movie. and how she says, i guess u gotta trust Josh Trank for this. and also how Kinberg mouthpiecing for the first time at that convention did that interview where he was talking about FF and kinda rolled his eyes after he said, we're shooting in a couple weeks. i guess...

and it's Trank. He's not dealing with Fox the way that movie makers are supposed to. and it probably has to do with the movie itself. things like script, maybe cast, maybe lots of things.

Becuz if you look at that Kate Mara interview, if she was doing a movie for Werner Herzog and we heard that he said just show up, we'll figure it out then... i don't wanna talk about this stuff now, it's actually really annoying me, just show up.

no one would think that was weird at all. you'd just think... well that's Herzog, i guess everyone will show up and they'll figure it out then.

This is totally all not a mystery if u think of it like this. What would happen if you hired Werner Herzog to do a comic book movie? And that is probably exactly what is happening. That's why Fox was all desperately pulling some last ditch check to see if they could get anyone else to do this. Back when those rumors came out.

This is actually great for the movie, i think. It just takes the wind out of any hope that this is Fox bluffing for a little more money from Marvel. I think this is actually what it is, unfortunately enough.

 

[fangz]

But then now, i just realized that if this is the case, there's a really good chance that Trank's not gonna put up with the movie.

Trank might just walk any day.

if it really is him that's been making everything weird, he really could just be like, i'm fed up with this, i'm doing Star Wars for heaven's sake, i don't have to deal with this mess.

maybe. i don't know. hope survives for me.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think maybe I figured this out this morning.

This whole time I've been puzzled how Trank could be going along with this all, and how the actors could and all this. And I've thought of him as being like Fox's new kid on the block and sitting around waiting for them to tell him what's going on.

But I thought today... what if Trank is the whole reason for all the weirdness? And this makes so much sense. He's probably not communicating with them, probably not really acting like people usually do. I think that he fundamentally just doesn't care at a level that most people making these kind of films end up at least acting like they care.

So this is all just speculation, but looking at it this way makes so much more sense. Like how Kate Mara in that interview is like... yeah, it's weird, i know, but that's the truth.. I don't know much about this movie. and how she says, i guess u gotta trust Josh Trank for this. and also how Kinberg mouthpiecing for the first time at that convention did that interview where he was talking about FF and kinda rolled his eyes after he said, we're shooting in a couple weeks. i guess...

and it's Trank. He's not dealing with Fox the way that movie makers are supposed to. and it probably has to do with the movie itself. things like script, maybe cast, maybe lots of things.

Becuz if you look at that Kate Mara interview, if she was doing a movie for Werner Herzog and we heard that he said just show up, we'll figure it out then... i don't wanna talk about this stuff now, it's actually really annoying me, just show up.

no one would think that was weird at all. you'd just think... well that's Herzog, i guess everyone will show up and they'll figure it out then.

This is totally all not a mystery if u think of it like this. What would happen if you hired Werner Herzog to do a comic book movie? And that is probably exactly what is happening. That's why Fox was all desperately pulling some last ditch check to see if they could get anyone else to do this. Back when those rumors came out.

This is actually great for the movie, i think. It just takes the wind out of any hope that this is Fox bluffing for a little more money from Marvel. I think this is actually what it is, unfortunately enough.

Well we can start with Trank's tweets. Those were dismissive of the fans and came off as arrogant, to say the least. Is that because he's an arrogant person or just poor at communicating via a medium such as twitter . . . or both?

It seems reasonable to suspect that the reason his account disappeared is that Fox wasn't happy with it. And that's likely why we haven't heard one word from him since.

So is that good or bad for the film? Hard to say. He could have a great vision and he doesn't give a crap what anyone else thinks and he's going to push forward with it and let his film do the talking for him. That's cool . . . as long as he has the talent and vision to pull it off. And while I normally might like that sort of attitude in a director, this is a bit of a special case, because there is the tradition of the FF to consider. It's not all about Trank's vision because he can't scrap the source material for something he wants to do that doesn't match the FF.

Also, it's a bit premature for a one-film director to be so full of himself. I'm reminded a bit of this scene from Bull Durham:

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhGq7qmm6dw[/YT]

And in addition to what we've seen on Twitter, we also have the rumors (which I believe were likely based on at least some fact) that Fox was looking to replace him late in the game. What would have lead them to consider such drastic action? And if they considered such drastic action, what's that mean about the current relationship between Fox and Trank regarding trust etc.? Will he be able to get what he needs from them? Will he make decisions to spite them?

But with all that said, we know that he has been hired to direct the new Star Wars spin-off. If he was truly a 'problem' why would Disney make such a move? They're not known for doing things foolishly or lightly.

Makes things interesting if nothing else.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

One thing to keep in mind also is that it seemed Tim Story was a bit of a push-over when it came to standing up to the studio and the film likely suffered some because of that.

For that reason, it might be nice to have someone who can push back as long as the relationship doesn't become too toxic.

And, again, it's important that Trank has the right vision. If he is strong at pushing the studio down a wrong path, that won't be good for anyone.

One other thing that I've always been very curious about is that Trank made a point of denying Teller when he was first rumored. Now I understand that sh** happens when you're making a film, but I can't imagine Trank specifically denying Teller if he was the guy Trank wanted (or even the second or third guy Trank wanted since Trank should have realized they could slip down to him). I can't help but wonder because of that if Teller was pushed on Trank by the studio.

 

[Donut]

I think maybe I figured this out this morning.

This whole time I've been puzzled how Trank could be going along with this all, and how the actors could and all this. And I've thought of him as being like Fox's new kid on the block and sitting around waiting for them to tell him what's going on.

But I thought today... what if Trank is the whole reason for all the weirdness? And this makes so much sense. He's probably not communicating with them, probably not really acting like people usually do. I think that he fundamentally just doesn't care at a level that most people making these kind of films end up at least acting like they care.

So this is all just speculation, but looking at it this way makes so much more sense. Like how Kate Mara in that interview is like... yeah, it's weird, i know, but that's the truth.. I don't know much about this movie. and how she says, i guess u gotta trust Josh Trank for this. and also how Kinberg mouthpiecing for the first time at that convention did that interview where he was talking about FF and kinda rolled his eyes after he said, we're shooting in a couple weeks. i guess...

and it's Trank. He's not dealing with Fox the way that movie makers are supposed to. and it probably has to do with the movie itself. things like script, maybe cast, maybe lots of things.

Becuz if you look at that Kate Mara interview, if she was doing a movie for Werner Herzog and we heard that he said just show up, we'll figure it out then... i don't wanna talk about this stuff now, it's actually really annoying me, just show up.

no one would think that was weird at all. you'd just think... well that's Herzog, i guess everyone will show up and they'll figure it out then.

This is totally all not a mystery if u think of it like this. What would happen if you hired Werner Herzog to do a comic book movie? And that is probably exactly what is happening. That's why Fox was all desperately pulling some last ditch check to see if they could get anyone else to do this. Back when those rumors came out.

This is actually great for the movie, i think. It just takes the wind out of any hope that this is Fox bluffing for a little more money from Marvel. I think this is actually what it is, unfortunately enough.

If that is the case then why did Disney hire him ? Unlike fox Disney actually cares about their properties

 

[SpideyFan866]

Disney probably hired him to spite Fox, like Fox are spiting Marvel.

And it feels like the Fox/Marvel rivalry has only worsened since Disney (a long time Fox rival) bought Marvel.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Disney probably hired him to spite Fox, like Fox are spiting Marvel.

And it feels like the Fox/Marvel rivalry has only worsened since Disney (a long time Fox rival) bought Marvel.

But for a Star Wars film? I could see a twisted scenerio in which they might hire him to direct: "Attack of the Hormonal Mutant Debuantes" as some sort of move to thumb their nose at Fox and make sure he's not available for an FF sequel, but this is Star Wars.

And even though I like Trank more than most around here, I'm still baffled (forget about anything happening with FF) that Disney would hire him for Star Wars when he has next to no track record.

 

[Donut]

& Disney will tell Trank NO if they do not like an idea of his. Unlike fox never did. Disney actually respects their properties. How will Trank react to that ?

 

[SpideyFan866]

But for a Star Wars film? I could see a twisted scenerio in which they might hire him to direct: "Attack of the Hormonal Mutant Debuantes" as some sort of move to thumb their nose at Fox and make sure he's not available for an FF sequel, but this is Star Wars.

And even though I like Trank more than most around here, I'm still baffled (forget about anything happening with FF) that Disney would hire him for Star Wars when he has next to no track record.

Doesn't matter what film it is. Studios hate it when another studio (especially their rival) has one of their franchise directors under contract.

Why?

Because at anytime they can call on that director to fulfill their committments. And in turn, hinder their ability to return for the other studio's franchise.

A prime example of this is what is currently happening with Marc Webb, who's last Spider-Man film will be ASM3 due to Fox forcing him to fulfill his 2 film committment with them.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Disney probably hired him to spite Fox, like Fox are spiting Marvel.

And it feels like the Fox/Marvel rivalry has only worsened since Disney (a long time Fox rival) bought Marvel.

I don't think it's because Disney bought marvel... I think it's because Disney bought Star Wars (a previous Fox Property) sure there's been some rights issues and small battles they have with marvel. But i don't think they were mad that disney bought marvel

 

[starscream22]

If that is the case then why did Disney hire him ? Unlike fox Disney actually cares about their properties

Couple plausible things...

Trank likely doesn't have as much creative control as he would like with this reboot.
The rumors of Fox shopping around for new directors may hold some weight. Which likely doesn't sit to well with Trank who's probably despondent about this whole situation already.
Then there's the gag order Trank seems to be under. FF is a breakout opportunity for any up and coming director so to be as silent as he's been with this film does cause people to worry.


Through all this Disney saw an opportunity where they can give Trank an offer he can't refuse. Thus driving an even greater wedge in between the other studio and director.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

I think what's curious about the production is that if FOX were truly interested in putting out a quality film, they would have pressed to get things started much earlier than they did before the rights reverted.

I wonder - do all studios pick a release date, then count backwards x number of days to established the date they will start filming? It doesn't seem a really effective was to plan out any production, especially one that relies upon rights issues.

If they wanted to ensure there would be no rights issues - wouldn't it be better to set the release date for that time, and start the film production a year sooner?

 

[VenomsMom]

I am confused. Whats going on here? Is this film happening or not? And I thought this was going to be Fantastic Four III: Doomed. Wasn't that the title?

 

[fangz]

One thing to keep in mind also is that it seemed Tim Story was a bit of a push-over when it came to standing up to the studio and the film likely suffered some because of that.

For that reason, it might be nice to have someone who can push back as long as the relationship doesn't become too toxic.

And, again, it's important that Trank has the right vision. If he is strong at pushing the studio down a wrong path, that won't be good for anyone.

One other thing that I've always been very curious about is that Trank made a point of denying Teller when he was first rumored. Now I understand that sh** happens when you're making a film, but I can't imagine Trank specifically denying Teller if he was the guy Trank wanted (or even the second or third guy Trank wanted since Trank should have realized they could slip down to him). I can't help but wonder because of that if Teller was pushed on Trank by the studio.

good points. i think when this thought hit me i got carried away cuz it was the first time i considered him having a real defined stand against Fox. even tho i was aware of all the problems he must be having with them and all the rumors of disagreements about scripts and stuff.

but yeah, you're guys' points make me look at more realistically and it is more interesting a situation for that. I agree about Teller too.

and what I meant by good for the movie is... good for Trank's movie. But I don't get the feeling he cares much about FF. I don't mean that in an insulting way too, that's just why it's always been a funny thing for me, mixed bag.

And the best we can hope for if Trank gets to do something good, i think, is something maybe similar to how maybe some 3 piece folk band from South America might do a great record of modern pop covers. They would be reducing the songs to something that we weren't used to focusing on, and removed from the context we usually associate them in, and in that way give us interesting renditions of them.

that's the very best we can hope for is a great Trank cover of an FF movie.
probably the most generous way of looking at it as a Fantastic Four fan.

 

[justanotherguy]

Hello all...After searching the internet for F4 news and also praying this movie wasnt going to happen I stumbled back to this site. I am from and live in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I bartend and go to school full time. There are signs around town marked "Henry" and when talking to one of my regulars who is an professional actor/theater manager about F4 actually being shot or not, I was informed that "Henry" is the codename for F4. He says he gets calls sheets almost every day for what's going in F4, I'll try and get some more info in the future.

Hopefully this is a smoke screen. If not, maybe I should go sabotage the production so the film gets delayed. (J/K, but I wish there was a way to stop it)... take it FWIW, I've decided to look more into it and keep hope alive.