The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 7

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[Orba]

I don't think they want to hold on to the rights for dear life as they just don't want to see the rights return to Marvel without some sort of compensation. The FF franchise is far more valuable in Marvel's hands than Fox's, I think they just don't like the idea of that happening without them making something out of it also.

 

[Dark Raven]

I mentioned this in the previous thread before it was locked:

Apparently the rights to John Carter of Mars just reverted back from Disney to Edgar Rice Burroughs with plans to entice a new studio to adapt the author’s “Mars” cycle.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...arter-revert-back-to-edgar-rice-burroughs-inc

Could the same happen to with Fox after FFINO fails at the box office? Or would they still hold onto them at all cost? But it's not like the two previous FF films were so successful. You'd think they would do a Disney and let the rights revert back to the original creators. But no. They seem to want to hold onto it for dear life.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Wow. Part 7 (which looking back now is basically Part 8). This thread's got some legs.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I mentioned this in the previous thread before it was locked:

Apparently the rights to John Carter of Mars just reverted back from Disney to Edgar Rice Burroughs with plans to entice a new studio to adapt the author’s “Mars” cycle.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...arter-revert-back-to-edgar-rice-burroughs-inc

Could the same happen to with Fox after FFINO fails at the box office? Or would they still hold onto them at all cost? But it's not like the two previous FF films were so successful. You'd think they would do a Disney and let the rights revert back to the original creators. But no. They seem to want to hold onto it for dear life.

I suppose Fox could be spiteful and hold on to the rights for another 7 years. But I'm beginning to think this is Fox's last shot at the property. Indicators (i.e. complete silence and lack of promotion) are that it's not going well but they've budgeted it low enough that it shouldn't hurt them too much even if it underperforms. (Moving it to August I think at least gives them a shot at leading the box office that weekend purely on the basis of the Marvel brand alone.)

Afterwards, they could keep playing dog in the manger but I believe they still have to pay some kind of ongoing license fee for the property even while dormant and they do have investors to answer to. I would expect they would become more aggressive at trying to get something for it. But if the film does in fact underperform or even flop they will not be in the strongest of positions to negotiate for it. I think Marvel has enough on its slate that it can afford to do the long game. If they make a bold play for anything then I'm thinking it's Spider-Man.

 

[Docker2.0]

Wow. Part 7 (which looking back now is basically Part 8). This thread's got some legs.

It just goes to show you the type of hype this film has. The most active thread in this forum is the one where people want it to go back to Marvel. And it's not just here, it's pretty much universal.

 

[marcvader]

Any hype is good hype.

 

[Nokio]

Of course they are gonna try and hold on to the rites for another 7 years. All they have is Xmen and the F4. They don't have a stable of characters to launch and movie. Although they really screwed the pooch with Xmen. Fox had the opportunity to launch multiple Xmen spin offs but they were hell bent on just centering everything around wolverine and not putting any development or effort into the other characters that people could care less about a Cyclops or Storm stand alone film. They had potential with Xforce, Xfactor, Excalibur, and Genrration X to launch even more films. Them are some real idiots over at FOX. Now they've rebooted the franchise with so so results. The movies are stuck in the past and they want to focus on Mystique because of Lawrence's popularity when Mystique has never been that interesting as a stand alone character. They don't get it, Fox and Singer just do not get it.

 

[Raiden]

I really wish Marvel can refuse to let Fox use their logo in the intro, as a way to show their disapproval over the whole movie.

 

[Xrathe]

I find it hilarious the most popular topic regarding this film is hope for its failure.

I for one will refuse to see this at the box office just because I want it to flop desperately, because I really want Galactus and other cosmic entities available to Marvel.

They can't just put out crappy movies in perpetuity as the contracts have earnings clauses that cause them to revert if the movies aren't making x amount of dollars. (See: The Punisher)

 

[Docker2.0]

I find it hilarious the most popular topic regarding this film is hope for its failure.

I for one will refuse to see this at the box office just because I want it to flop desperately, because I really want Galactus and other cosmic entities available to Marvel.

They can't just put out crappy movies in perpetuity as the contracts have earnings clauses that cause them to revert if the movies aren't making x amount of dollars. (See: The Punisher)

Right there with you buddy. I have no plans to see it at all but I get the feeling it will make it's budget back simply because it was filmed in a warehouse and cheap as possible. Hopefully this thing gets slammed from every single angle.

 

[Dark Raven]

Right there with you buddy. I have no plans to see it at all but I get the feeling it will make it's budget back simply because it was filmed in a warehouse and cheap as possible. Hopefully this thing gets slammed from every single angle.

At the moment you get these odd few articles that say how it looks to be better than Tim Story's effort and how this "grounded and gritty" version will be an exciting new take on the FF. After the movie, I'm sure you'll get dozens of articles (even by some of the same writers) saying "what were they thinking?", in the same way as people write about Tim Burton/Nicholas Cage's Superman Lives, Batman and Robin or Elektra.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Well if you guys are right and this movie is just for rights then Fox is being incredibly selfish, they are like 'If we can't make money out of this franchise then no one will,even if that means losing a bit of money over it'

The fact that this strategy is incredibly juvenile and childish makes me question its validity

Though you guys may have a point, Daredevil's production fell apart at the last moment and Marvel got the rights,it could be possible that F4 was heading towards a similar path but Fox thought- 'What the hell! Just get 4 random guys and one cheap director so it doesn't revert back like Daredevil'

They probably expected Disney/Marvel to reimburse the movie mid-production and buy the rights off, but Marvel told them to piss off and made their own cosmic group with GoTG which arguably became more popular than F4 would ever be (Groot and Rocket became instant fan favorites,I doubt likes of Human Torch and The Thing could garner so much popularity) and now Fox looks to be in deep ***** with Marvel no longer interested and the fans no longer wanting the movie

Just hope you guys are wrong

 

[Spiderdevil]

Although they really screwed the pooch with Xmen. Fox had the opportunity to launch multiple Xmen spin offs but they were hell bent on just centering everything around wolverine and not putting any development or effort into the other characters that people could care less about a Cyclops or Storm stand alone film. They had potential with Xforce, Xfactor, Excalibur, and Genrration X to launch even more films. Them are some real idiots over at FOX. Now they've rebooted the franchise with so so results. The movies are stuck in the past and they want to focus on Mystique because of Lawrence's popularity when Mystique has never been that interesting as a stand alone character. They don't get it, Fox and Singer just do not get it.

You don't give Fox enough credit, they were screwed as far as X-men were concerned when X3 and Origins turned out to be collasal failures, they turned it around with 3 great movies which breathed new life into the X-men franchise and Wolverine. I don't understand how you can call a critically acclaimed movie as 'so so results'

While I agree that the movies seem to be stuck in the past but I think Singer and co will figure something out after Apocalypse

As for solo movies,stop kidding yourself,a Cyclops or Storm solo movie were never gonna work.They are working on a solo Wolverine movie and a Deadpool movie, if Deadpool becomes a success, we will definitely see X-force, have faith. There are also rumours about a Gambit movie in the works

 

[Iceman]

I don't think they want to hold on to the rights for dear life as they just don't want to see the rights return to Marvel without some sort of compensation. The FF franchise is far more valuable in Marvel's hands than Fox's, I think they just don't like the idea of that happening without them making something out of it also.

Probably right. Even F4 done well isn't something that would naturally support sequels every few years over decades. X-Men is different because you get a world of characters with a roster that can be completely rotated multiple times. If they could get a deal on F4 I think they'd take it.

 

[starscream22]

You don't give Fox enough credit, they were screwed as far as X-men were concerned when X3 and Origins turned out to be collasal failures, they turned it around with 3 great movies which breathed new life into the X-men franchise and Wolverine. I don't understand how you can call a critically acclaimed movie as 'so so results'

While I agree that the movies seem to be stuck in the past but I think Singer and co will figure something out after Apocalypse

As for solo movies,stop kidding yourself,a Cyclops or Storm solo movie were never gonna work.They are working on a solo Wolverine movie and a Deadpool movie, if Deadpool becomes a success, we will definitely see X-force, have faith. There are also rumours about a Gambit movie in the works

............Here it is Marvel Studio's hits one home run after another with lesser known characters. Yet people are still praying for Fox to get their head out of the sand and "possibly" thrown them a bone one day this lifetime.

I have no such setbacks. I support the studio that gets it right more times than not. BTW FOX practically did to Viper and Silver Samurai that they did to Deadpool in Origins. Not everyone loves those 3 FOX-men films as much you clearly do. And since there's only been 1 to go north of $500 million. I stand by the notion that they're mediocre at best and not good "X-MEN" films.

You don't give Fox enough credit, they were screwed as far as X-men were concerned when X3 and Origins turned out to be collasal failures

I'm quite sure if they did claim to have gotten screwed then it was due to self infliction. t:

 

[RAE072]

Well Ultron has been officially revealed on film and...oh wait, what's that sound?

It's the sound of trankDoom wetting himself.

 

[Spiderdevil]

............Here it is Marvel Studio's hits one home run after another with lesser known characters. Yet people are still praying for Fox to get their head out of the sand and "possibly" thrown them a bone one day this lifetime.

I have no such setbacks. I support the studio that gets it right more times than not. BTW FOX practically did to Viper and Silver Samurai that they did to Deadpool in Origins. Not everyone loves those 3 FOX-men films as much you clearly do. And since there's only been 1 to go north of $500 million. I stand by the notion that they're mediocre at best and not good "X-MEN" films.

BTW untill last year I wasn't a Fox/X-men or MCU fan,but with the TWS and DOFP they have won my confidence
And it doesn't matter what notion you stand by,the fact remains that the majority of Audience and critics loved First Class, The Wolverine and DoFP(especailly DoFP) hence they were a success. Everybody is entitled to his opinion but when concluding if a film is a success or not, the collective opinion of the GA and critics is what is taken into consideration

And I agree that Marvel has been pretty successful, but they have had their fair share of hiccups like TDW, TIH. Even likes of IM2 and Thor have been mediocre movies.Just like what Fox did with Deadpool, they did with likes of Mandarin. Yes their record has been better than most studios but it hasn't been perfect

For now I am more than happy with Fox dealing with X-men

 

[See Cap Run]

Everybody is entitled to his opinion but when concluding if a film is a success or not, the collective opinion of the GA and critics is what is taken into consideration

And I agree that Marvel has been pretty successful, but they have had their fair share of hiccups like TDW, TIH. Even likes of IM2 and Thor have been mediocre movies.

It's fine for you to state that IM2 and Thor are mediocre in your opinion, however we should take into consideration the collective opinion of the GA and critics as your yourself just said to determine whether they were successful.

From lowest to highest on Rotten Tomatoes is as follows: Wolverine 69%, IM2 73% and Thor 77%, not to mention both IM2 and Thor out-grossing The Wolverine.

Also, I'd agree with you that TDW and TIH were slight hiccups, however if we're being fair then we should also call The Wolverine a slight hiccup since it had about the same RT rating as they do: TDW 65% and the Incredible Hulk at 67%

 

[Docker2.0]

Marvel Studios is doing something right because their movies are killing it at the box office. Haven't all their phase 2 movies grossed over $600M WW? I didn't believe that Avengers 2 would outgross Avengers 1 but man after seeing that trailer yesterday, I'm going to have to bite my tongue! There's no question I'm going to see it 2-5 times in theaters. Ultron looks straight bad ass, the Hulk and Hulkbuster armor looks amazing,rumors of Spidey appearing in the MCU and I also want to see Thanos appear in this movie. And if this leads into a WWH type movie where he meets up with the Guardians of the Galaxy................ Not trying to compare Marvel to any other studio like Fox or DC/WB but man they are getting it done right. I was listening to ESPN radio this morning coming to work and they asked the question, what sport is the hottest right now: NBA, MLB, or NBA. A couple of the callers had a write in vote for the Avengers trailer. What else was amazing was the radio host knew about the WWH storyline and Civil War as well and harped about it for a minute and had to be redirected. The hype for this film is amazing.

 

[Spiderdevil]

It's fine for you to state that IM2 and Thor are mediocre in your opinion, however we should take into consideration the collective opinion of the GA and critics as your yourself just said to determine whether they were successful.

From lowest to highest on Rotten Tomatoes is as follows: Wolverine 69%, IM2 73% and Thor 77%, not to mention both IM2 and Thor out-grossing The Wolverine.

Also, I'd agree with you that TDW and TIH were slight hiccups, however if we're being fair then we should also call The Wolverine a slight hiccup since it had about the same RT rating as they do: TDW 65% and the Incredible Hulk at 67%

You make some valid points,so lets just average the RT scores for the two franchises
X-men Franchise-73.3%
Marvel Cinematic Universe-80.4%

MCU is definitely better,but Fox is not far behind,definitely a lot better than likes of Sony and WB

Giving X-men rights to Disney will achieve nothing,X-men will be a complete mismatch in their established universe and I don't see them making better movies without repeating things,reboots are not good and must be avoided,just look at how TASM2 destroyed the franchise

 

[Spiderdevil]

Marvel Studios is doing something right because their movies are killing it at the box office. Haven't all their phase 2 movies grossed over $600M WW? I didn't believe that Avengers 2 would outgross Avengers 1 but man after seeing that trailer yesterday, I'm going to have to bite my tongue! There's no question I'm going to see it 2-5 times in theaters. Ultron looks straight bad ass, the Hulk and Hulkbuster armor looks amazing,rumors of Spidey appearing in the MCU and I also want to see Thanos appear in this movie. And if this leads into a WWH type movie where he meets up with the Guardians of the Galaxy................ Not trying to compare Marvel to any other studio like Fox or DC/WB but man they are getting it done right. I was listening to ESPN radio this morning coming to work and they asked the question, what sport is the hottest right now: NBA, MLB, or NBA. A couple of the callers had a write in vote for the Avengers trailer. What else was amazing was the radio host knew about the WWH storyline and Civil War as well and harped about it for a minute and had to be redirected. The hype for this film is amazing.

First of all,why do you care about the box office,I mean,do you get a cut from the gross? It doesn't matter as long as the movie is good and we keep getting sequels

And I agree that MCU is almost flawless right now,but they can't do everything,3 movies per year is the limit for them.I for one,am glad that we keep getting movies of lesser characters like Ant-man and GoGT while Fox deals with X-men

 

[First Avenger]

You make some valid points,so lets just average the RT scores for the two franchises
X-men Franchise-73.3%
Marvel Cinematic Universe-80.4%

MCU is definitely better,but Fox is not far behind,definitely a lot better than likes of Sony and WB

Giving X-men rights to Disney will achieve nothing,X-men will be a complete mismatch in their established universe and I don't see them making better movies without repeating things,reboots are not good and must be avoided,just look at how TASM2 destroyed the franchise

The X-movies are mostly great but You should also count the other Fox movies like DD,FF,ROTSS and Elektra.

 

[Orba]

The X-movies are mostly great but You should also count the other Fox movies like DD,FF,ROTSS and Elektra.

Hehe do that and Fox's track record drops to about a 53% average.