The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

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That's the quote. Has this guy posted anything since?

And the part about the film lacking fun is the part that really bothers me. The FF are meant to be a dysfunctional family where Ben and Johnny prank each other constantly. Reed Richards is incredibly intense about his work, he's a fast talker, he lacks social graces and doesn't realize when he's boring people when he's rambling. Sue exists to keep the other three in line and is often the only adult in the room. Anything else simply isn't the Fantastic Four. That's assuming its true. I took it with a grain of salt six months ago but it appears a bit more credible with all of the other rumors flying about.

yeah I post here a good bit. I also posted the link to tigerdroppings dot com where other rumors i.e. the house trashing came up. After talking to several people I am 95% positive that happened as "multiple sources" told me this.

Anyway take it for what it's worth. I certainly have no interest in scooping, but this IP is important and could be great, so I've been following it closely. The random chance that it filmed in my hometown gave me access to people working on the film. That's all really.
 
I suggested this in another thread, but I'll mention it here as well. Fox should seriously consider working with Marvel after Apocalypse and Wolverine 3. Most of the Foxverse cast will be out of contract at that point and some of them are getting a bit old to realistically sign on for more. There's a very good chance that by the time the MCU hits Phase 4, the X-films will be recasting major roles. If you're going to have to recast the main characters and shift to a modern timeline anyway, why not do that in the MCU? They could even acknowledge the current X-continuity as an Age of Apocalypse-esque alternate reality, and maybe even bring select cast members over All-New X-Men style.

Agreed! I really think that one of the reasons that the Fox-verse has been making decent money is because of Hugh Jackman and Bryan Singer. Jackman is getting up there in age and sooner or later, they are going to have to replace him and I think that's when you will see their box office go down. They built their entire universe around that one guy and I think at that time, it's going to bite them. That's why I don't get this F4/SS thing with MCU. They should have worked with them instead of being greedy. Now this thing will come back to bite them because not only will they have to recast, but they don't have a clue about what they are doing with their cinematic universe. It's like they are just throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks. They have no clue where to go after Apocalypse. As much as I think Singer is doing a decent job with the Xmen(not really a fan of his Xmen FYI)I honestly don't think he does as well. You saw Marvel building a cinematic universe since Iron Man 1 but Fox just throw random crap in films..........eh. To make a long story short(to late I know)they have no clue what they are doing. Forcing F4 into the X-verse is one of the stupidest ideas I've heard because there is no build up nor any sign whatsoever that they exist in the same universe nor is there really an enemy that is common between the two. I can see them doing something stupid like Magneto teaming up with Doom to conquer the world with Doom betraying him at the last minute but still doesn't make sense.
 
Where'd you get that from? Also, you might wanna check with a mod to see if that's ok to post here. Been hearing that Sony have been giving sites who post stuff from the leaks hassle (though I don't think there's too much Sony can actually do about that).
 
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There is a Rachel O'Connor involved in the production of the Spider-Man films for Sony.
 
It is interesting in that it lends weight to the Trankgate rumour, it also suggests that people outside Fox know about it. So why are the film journalists holding off reporting on it? A director self-destructing like that is massive clickbate for the site that gets it out first.
 
Is that from the Sony hack? No offense but a guy who's only post is something like this comes off a tid bit odd.

Im just a lurker on this site. Also been following this mess. Found something interesting so posted it here.
 
It is interesting in that it lends weight to the Trankgate rumour, it also suggests that people outside Fox know about it. So why are the film journalists holding off reporting on it? A director self-destructing like that is massive clickbate for the site that gets it out first.

I suspect many people know something major went down, but few know the real details (that's an interesting element of the posted exchange - it mentions "the truth about Josh Trank" - indicating there are a lot of rumors but few people have the solid truth).

Any news sites who want to maintain their reputation will be very reluctant to post rumors. They're probably looking for something more substantial and those who know the real details aren't talking.

At this moment, I feel confident he's off the film and the commonly believed reason is his dogs did a lot of damage to a house. But I believe that's the story Fox wants to float and there's much more to it than that. If things were going well (or even tolerably), Fox wouldn't have taken the drastic action of firing him just because of some damage.

I think it's extremely unlikely that Trank is still working on the film. Fox knows these rumors are out there. If things were humming along relatively normally, they'd get photos, reports, Josh Trank himself out there . . . anything to put these rumors to rest if things are progressing relatively normally.
 
Not sure, but I think the supposed leak above is fake. The time stamp for Rachel saying "Sad I won't see you tonight" is for a couple minutes before the message from Simon Kinberg indicating what table she can find him at and says "See you soon". So, why would you tell someone where to find you if they are not coming especially you wouldn't say see you soon. Also the information suggests that Kinberg told Amy Pascal the truth about Josh Trank, when to me it would have seemed more believable if Rachel was telling Simon that she had told Amy the truth about what he had told her about Josh Trank. I mean it seems like Rachel and Simon are friends if this message is true, but not sure I believe he would then bypass her then with these details and provide them to Amy Pascal directly. To me it just seems like the information exchange is a little off as to who is doing and saying what. So I call bull#$// on this but I could be wrong. As I wouldn't mind it being true and it lending more creedence to the fact this film sounds like it's in trouble.

Surfer
 
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I suspect many people know something major went down, but few know the real details (that's an interesting element of the posted exchange - it mentions "the truth about Josh Trank" - indicating there are a lot of rumors but few people have the solid truth).

Any news sites who want to maintain their reputation will be very reluctant to post rumors. They're probably looking for something more substantial and those who know the real details aren't talking.

At this moment, I feel confident he's off the film and the commonly believed reason is his dogs did a lot of damage to a house. But I believe that's the story Fox wants to float and there's much more to it than that. If things were going well (or even tolerably), Fox wouldn't have taken the drastic action of firing him just because of some damage.

I think it's extremely unlikely that Trank is still working on the film. Fox knows these rumors are out there. If things were humming along relatively normally, they'd get photos, reports, Josh Trank himself out there . . . anything to put these rumors to rest if things are progressing relatively normally.

Yeah, I wonder how long it will be until something is said about what is going on. It has to come out eventually, as such you would think that if Fox were smart they would have some sort of strategy in place for the story eventually going public. So will they try to reveal their version of events to reach the public first or would they risk allowing an unauthorised version to leak to be the first the public see.

I must admit I can't help but wonder if the Sony leaks have any more discussions of the production.
 
Not sure, but I think the supposed leak above is fake. The time stamp for Rachel saying "Sad I won't see you tonight" is for a couple minutes before the message from Simon Kinberg indicating what table she can find him at and says "See you soon". So, why would you tell someone where to find you if they are not coming especially you wouldn't say see you soon. Also the information suggests that Kinberg told Amy Pascal the truth about Josh Trank, when to me it would have seemed more believable if Rachel was telling Simon that she had told Amy the truth about what he had told her about Josh Trank. I mean it seems like Rachel and Simon are friends if this message is true, but not sure I believe he would then bypass her then with these details and provide them to Amy Pascal directly. To me it just seems like the information exchange is a little off as to who is doing and saying what. So I call bull#$// on this but I could be wrong. As I wouldn't mind it being true and it lending more creedence to the fact this film sounds like it's in trouble.

Surfer


Interesting points, but I read it as a comment that he was at the grown up table (not directions on where to find him) and the 'see you soon' as 'we'll get together in the next few weeks'.

But I don't really think it matters if it's real or not because it doesn't say anything. It says he told 'Amy' (which Amy we have no idea) 'the truth about Josh Trank'. That doesn't tell us what the 'truth about Josh Trank' is.

Is the truth that he's doing a great job despite the rumors? Is the truth that he told Marvel to go f*** themselves because he was going to do an FF sequel instead of the Star Wars film? Is the truth that Josh Trank, Lorde and Randy Marsh are really the same person?

If someone was going to the trouble of faking something, I'd think they'd fake something interesting. The only reason this is interesting is we've already heard from many other sources that something's going on. This exact exchange would be meaningless without that broader context.
 
Interesting points, but I read it as a comment that he was at the grown up table (not directions on where to find him) and the 'see you soon' as 'we'll get together in the next few weeks'.

But I don't really think it matters if it's real or not because it doesn't say anything. It says he told 'Amy' (which Amy we have no idea) 'the truth about Josh Trank'. That doesn't tell us what the 'truth about Josh Trank' is.

Is the truth that he's doing a great job despite the rumors? Is the truth that he told Marvel to go f*** themselves because he was going to do an FF sequel instead of the Star Wars film? Is the truth that Josh Trank, Lorde and Randy Marsh are really the same person?

If someone was going to the trouble of faking something, I'd think they'd fake something interesting. The only reason this is interesting is we've already heard from many other sources that something's going on. This exact exchange would be meaningless without that broader context.


True. I guess we will see where things go.

Surfer
 
Interesting points, but I read it as a comment that he was at the grown up table (not directions on where to find him) and the 'see you soon' as 'we'll get together in the next few weeks'.

But I don't really think it matters if it's real or not because it doesn't say anything. It says he told 'Amy' (which Amy we have no idea) 'the truth about Josh Trank'. That doesn't tell us what the 'truth about Josh Trank' is.

Is the truth that he's doing a great job despite the rumors? Is the truth that he told Marvel to go f*** themselves because he was going to do an FF sequel instead of the Star Wars film? Is the truth that Josh Trank, Lorde and Randy Marsh are really the same person?

If someone was going to the trouble of faking something, I'd think they'd fake something interesting. The only reason this is interesting is we've already heard from many other sources that something's going on. This exact exchange would be meaningless without that broader context.

Haha, best season ever!
 
Not sure, but I think the supposed leak above is fake. The time stamp for Rachel saying "Sad I won't see you tonight" is for a couple minutes before the message from Simon Kinberg indicating what table she can find him at and says "See you soon". So, why would you tell someone where to find you if they are not coming especially you wouldn't say see you soon. Also the information suggests that Kinberg told Amy Pascal the truth about Josh Trank, when to me it would have seemed more believable if Rachel was telling Simon that she had told Amy the truth about what he had told her about Josh Trank. I mean it seems like Rachel and Simon are friends if this message is true, but not sure I believe he would then bypass her then with these details and provide them to Amy Pascal directly. To me it just seems like the information exchange is a little off as to who is doing and saying what. So I call bull#$// on this but I could be wrong. As I wouldn't mind it being true and it lending more creedence to the fact this film sounds like it's in trouble.

Surfer
Eh, I just think the thing is a fake. I've been following the Sony hack pretty closely and this is the first time I've seen it. Not saying I'm perfect because I'm not. It's just rather odd and convenient, though I wish it was true.
 
There were tons and tons of info from emails stolen. It was said a bit back that it would take time to sift through everything (think about it, many of the emails could just be random useless conversation between people on everyday stuff and nothing juicy) so this being fake or not regardless, supposedly as more info is getting sifted through more stuff will come out.
 
Eh, I just think the thing is a fake. I've been following the Sony hack pretty closely and this is the first time I've seen it. Not saying I'm perfect because I'm not. It's just rather odd and convenient, though I wish it was true.

Yeah, I really hope it is true also, but suspect it is not because of my previous reasons. It also does not help that the information is coming from someone new that has no proven track record, that is not to suggest however it can not be true as I know being a lurker for many years myself before becoming a member, that you need to start somewhere & it would make sense if you had something to report to one come out of the shadows. So, I guess we will see.

Surfer
 
There were tons and tons of info from emails stolen. It was said a bit back that it would take time to sift through everything (think about it, many of the emails could just be random useless conversation between people on everyday stuff and nothing juicy) so this being fake or not regardless, supposedly as more info is getting sifted through more stuff will come out.

Well the other thing I didn't mention before is that it says it was sent from an IPhone. Now I don't know how things are set up at Sony and Fox, and while they may have their e-mail accounts from work (Sony & Fox) linked to the IPhones, to me it would seem text messaging is a much more popular phone tool for communicating with messages between people and it makes me wonder why they would be using e-mails. Now it is possible I just don't know how everything works, but if they were texting (the more popular message system through phones) wouldn't they be communicating through phone numbers and not e-mail accounts. Once again perhaps there is a way to text to an e-mail account, but I have always used phone numbers, and if I am right I can't see how the Sony Hack job would have access to these text messages. Once again it could be they used e-mail to communicate through their phones, but it just seems archaic compared to text messaging so I just have a hard time believing they would have chosen to communicate with that tool and that Sony had access to it. I don't know though this thought might be totally off, so what do you guys think?

Surfer
 
Interesting points, but I read it as a comment that he was at the grown up table (not directions on where to find him) and the 'see you soon' as 'we'll get together in the next few weeks'.

But I don't really think it matters if it's real or not because it doesn't say anything. It says he told 'Amy' (which Amy we have no idea) 'the truth about Josh Trank'. That doesn't tell us what the 'truth about Josh Trank' is.

Is the truth that he's doing a great job despite the rumors? Is the truth that he told Marvel to go f*** themselves because he was going to do an FF sequel instead of the Star Wars film? Is the truth that Josh Trank, Lorde and Randy Marsh are really the same person?

If someone was going to the trouble of faking something, I'd think they'd fake something interesting. The only reason this is interesting is we've already heard from many other sources that something's going on. This exact exchange would be meaningless without that broader context.

:woot::woot::woot:

Trank! Trank! Trank! I am Trank....CTFU!
 
Pretty hard to know if it's legit or if it's a fraud using the Sony hack.

On one hand, Rachel O'Connor is working for Sony and will oversee the development and production of the futures Spiderman films for the studio.

http://www.sonypictures.com/corp/press_releases/2013/12_13/121213_spiderman3.html

and it's also true that Rachel O'Connor is actually working, for Sony, with Simon Kinberg. Both are working on a Sigourney Weaver movie for 2015, Chappie.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/sigourney-weaver-joins-neill-blomkamps-651232

On the other hand, like Willie said, "the truth with Josh Trank" may mean anything. The only sure things is that, if the message is "true", it's important.

But we are not sure if it's legit, not without having the e-mail (but it's quite normal) And the Kinberg e mail mention a " d " middle name for him (sdkinberg. S is simon, kinberg is kinberg, what could mean "d") I searched on internet, but I couldn't find any middle name for him, just "Simon Kinberg". So I don't know...
 
I can't believe we've seen more pics and info about BVS than this.

That is telling. I will still see this cause of Mara, but goddamn.
 
If any of these rumors are true, then I expect Josh Trank to be the next M. Night Shyamalan in terms of box office poison. He'll go down in history as the man who sent the Fantastic Four back to Marvel, nearly ruined the careers of Miles Teller and Simon Kinberg and got replaced before his Star Wars movie could even film.

But more importantly, he'll be the reason why there was never a good FF movie until the 2020s.


Here's how I'd redo the FF for 2019 or 2020

I'd also have made the FF cast

Matthew McConaughey as Reed Richards
Emily Bunt as Sue Richards
Cam Gigandet as Johnny Storm
Seth Rogan as Ben Grimm
Keith Szarabajka as Annihilus (voice)
Sergej Trifunovic as Doctor Doom (post-credits)

The tone would be similar to Interstellar, Gravity or 2001: A Space Odyssey. More grounded than the Tim Story films but not as mundane as Josh Trank's take. The emotions I would seek to evoke from the audience would be awe and wonder. I'd seek a real astrophysicist to assist as a science consultant and get backing from NASA to provide equipment to help lower the budget.

The themes I'd play with would be optimism, faith in the power of reason to help humanity through science and the thrill of discovery. Not the type of Flash Gordon pulp sci-fi that Tim Story liked nor Josh Trank's, "kid's with disabilities" take. I'm talking hard sci-fi that grounds completely fantastic elements in real science to make the very outlandish things that appear on screen seem plausible, no matter how crazy they are.

The entire plot revolves around multiverse theory and wormholes which are based in actual science as a means of circumventing the light barrier. FTL travel is already confirmed to exist in the MCU. The main problem that Earth has is a lack of materials to build that technology. The plan is to open up a portal to another universe where the speed of light is no longer a hard limit, then travel to other solar systems from there.

Reed Richards laid the groundwork for extra-dimensional travel but was taken off the project because the fourth astronaut on his crew caught the flu when the shuttle was about to take off. Also, being taken off the mission means that Reed is no longer going to get a Nobel Prize despite all his hard work. So he adds Johnny to the crew, despite him not being trained as an astronaut, hijacks the shuttle and heads into the N-Zone. Naturally, Johnny has no idea what he's doing and causes an accident in the N-Zone.

Annihilus attaches himself to the shuttle and begins stalking the FF to sabotage their equipment so they may no longer, "invade" his territory. His goal to to kill anyone involved with the project before returning home so that he won't have to worry about any rivals. Annihilus' fatalism and paranoia is meant to contrast with Reed's optimism and that contrast is what drives the plot.

When it comes to characterization, Reed Richards is a fast talking nerd. He rambles, he assumes people are paying attention, he lacks social graces, etc. He's also a bit arrogant but his main goal in life is to improve the world through science. He's the epitome of altruism and selflessness even though he comes across as aloof and uncaring towards the people closest to him.

Sue is Reed's wife who is ultimately the de facto leader of the group. Reed comes up with the plans but Sue is the one who finds ways to execute them. Reed finds Johnny's pranks funny and even eggs him on so it falls on Sue to get him to stop. When Reed gets a bit to intense and fixated on overly convoluted plans, Sue is the one who gets him back on track. And while Ben doesn't have any relation to her, he ultimately listens to her. Reed may be the main character but Sue is the one who's in charge.

Johnny is an immature man-child who just so happens to be a college dropout who associates himself with astronauts. He lives with his sister and her husband and openly admits to mooching off them so he can raid their fridge and play video games all day. After the accident in space, his goal in life is to annoy Ben as much as possible. He ultimately gets tasked with public relations where he markets the FF to the general public by appearing on talk shows and approving merchandise so the other three don't have to worry about him touching any sensitive lab equipment. His role in the narrative is getting Reed to explain complex concepts to him (and thus the audience) so that people who dont' have a background in physics can follow the plot.

Ben is somebody who was already grumpy but now has to deal with being turned into a rock monster AND a celebrity. Not only does he have to take the stairs since elevators are over capacity with him riding in them but he also has to sleep in a sleeping bag since he broke his bead the first time he tried sleeping in it. That and he now has such a unique appearance that he can't leave the Baxter Building without paparazzi ambushing him and asking for his autograph. He wants to be able to be left alone but can't because everyone asks him what it was like to be the first man to enter the Negative Zone.

Two scenes occur after the credits. The first shows that the plan to not only drop Annihilus back in the Negative Zone but send him flying at faster than light speeds has backfired as he's now reentered our universe, albeit at Hala. The Kree see a shooting star heading right for their world that stops in midair followed by several spaceships of unknown origin appearing out of nowhere. Then comes the landing when strange insect aliens land on the surface and begin their invasion. To be continued in Guardians of the Galaxy: Annihilation!

The second has the whole team on a late night talk show which zooms out to reveal a TV screen being watched by a figure breathing heavily. The camera pans around to reveal Doctor Doom.
 
McConaughey?! Rogen?! Come on now. I like all your plot descriptions but you should probably stay out of casting, brother.
 
I don't think "grounded" and Fantastic Four belong in the same sentence.

McConaughey?! Rogen?! Come on now. I like all your plot descriptions but you should probably stay out of casting, brother.

Also out of characterisations and film tone. :p
 
I get what he means by grounded though I just dont think that's the right word. From the films he said it should be like it seems instead of "grounded" he means "serious" or at least that's what I got from it.

That being said, I dont want a serious FF film that is in the tone of TDKS or even X-Men. FF should have that fun movie tone like Star Trek or most of the MCU films
 
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