The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

[MadVillainy]

I think however, that lends to Reed's seemingly "out of touch" mentality...whereas Sue seems to be in touch with everyone. To me that is a part of their characters and age has something to do with that...

In the movies, Sue seemed to be the one out of touch with everyone and for all practical purposes a *****.

How does their age difference lend to his out of touch mentality?

 

[Surfer]

If it reverted to Marvel though, the only problem with doing a slightly older version of the Fantastic Four characters is, in the movies (unlike their comic book counterpart) the actor's do age, and since movies don't come out that quickly they might find the actors unable to play the characters in all of the films they wanted to connect them with due to their age. So, for that reason I guess I would be open to going a little younger to keep them connected a bit longer, but not too much younger.

Surfer

 

[MadVillainy]

Didnt RDJ not start playing Stark until he was like 40 or 41? Isnt he about to play Stark again and he's about 50? Isnt Ruffalo almost 50? Benedict Cumberbatch has signed on to play Strange and he's in his late 30s

Casting them older is fine.

 

[Surfer]

How does their age difference lend to his out of touch mentality?

I think she was just refering to their maturity levels.

Surfer

 

[Kelly]

I don't think comparing the F4 to IM or the Hulk is a very good comparison.

The F4 are a family, who will have a family, and that is an important part on down the line. You start out too old, and you have stunted their ability to have their relationships grow as they grow older.

 

[Dark Raven]

If anyone's ever watched "Scorpion" on CBS, that's about a team of geniuses (based on the life of Walter O'Brien) who solve global threats. The two lead characters on there are actually a good template for how Reed and Sue should be portrayed.

The lead character Walter, played by Elyes Gabel, has the 4th highest IQ in the world. He's not in touch with the world, but he's not so withdrawn, shy or nerdy in a way that some see Reed. Walter is arrogant and has a sense of self importance, while being somewhat brash and argumentative. However, he's also a man of action and one of his pastimes is racing fast sports cars. He's the most action-orientated of the team and definitely a leader.

The lead female, Paige, played by Katherine McPhee, is on the team to keep him (and the rest of them) in touch with reality and to ensure that everyone has the appropriate socially acceptable response. She's the only non-genius of the team but she's essential to its survival and is also described as being the glue that holds them together. She also is warm and very maternal, being a single mother herself of a young genius son. She often has to teach Walter about certain social graces but she's not some combat ready female - just an ordinary mother.

If you've ever watched that show, I think that would be a very good way to portray Reed and Sue without making Reed seem too weak and unsure of himself like he was in the Tim Story movies, while making Sue very maternal but not needing to have this rather *****y attitude like Jessica Alba had and feeling the need to prove herself as a strong woman.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't think comparing the F4 to IM or the Hulk is a very good comparison.

The F4 are a family, who will have a family, and that is an important part on down the line. You start out too old, and you have stunted their ability to have their relationships grow as they grow older.

Relationships can grow. It doesnt matter the age.

-Reed can become more attentive of Sue and sensitive of what's going on around him. He can also care more about people and not be as absent minded and in his own world.
-Johnny can learn to stop such a jerk, cocky guy.
-Sue can learn to be less shy and become the influential hero that she has within her.
-Ben can learn to accept his body change for what it is. And learn how to do deal with what he has become and that despite his appearance, he's still Ben Grimm.
-In addition to that you have Reed and Sue dealing with the birth of their children which can show them grow as parents and adults. And also you have the whole team gaining their powers which can show them grow as people dealing with fame, power, etc.

And all those can happen and be shown through character interactions and actions.
I don't see what age has to do with it unless Im not understanding or missing something.

It doesnt matter what age you are you can still grow as a person/character and have character development. Character growth has no age limit.

People get married/start their families in their 50s and still grow as people

 

[Kelly]

And wouldn't come close to following ANY story within 616 or UFF as far as the comics, which is kinda one of the problems of this production.

So, um....no thanks...not really interested in seeing a group of 40 to 50 year olds living through those things.

 

[MadVillainy]

And wouldn't come close to following ANY story within 616 or UFF as far as the comics, which is kinda one of the problems of this production.

So, um....no thanks...not really interested in seeing a group of 40 to 50 year olds living through those things.

Woah how is anything like I said nothing like ANY story, UFF or 616?

Look how Sue developed from when she first appeared to now. How is that not just like how I described her development in my last post?
Same with Ben, there have been stories of him trying to and even going against the FF in order to regain his human form? How does that go against the idea of Ben struggling to come to terms with/accept his condition?
Hasn't Johnny Storm selfishly abandoned his team before? But still hasn't he selflessly sacrificed his life?

Im not the biggest FF fan, in that I don't know everything or even a huge substantial amount about them like I do my other favorite heroes. But I know enough that Im not pulling their character development out of thin air.

Look at a lot of, imo, good choices for Reed: Hugh Dancy, Patrick Wilson, Billy Crudup or even for Ben like John Beranthal or Bobby Cannavale...should they be written off because they're 40 yrs old or near 40? No.

Im not saying that the FF should be in their 50s and 60s, but should the Fantastic Four all be in their 20s? Because 30s, 40s, whatever I havent heard a good reason why their development couldnt happen

Exec: We have the chance to get Jessica Chastain or Charlize Theron for Sue Storm
Exec 2: Yeah but theyre like 40 so let's scrap that idea.

 

[Kelly]

Woah how is anything like I said nothing like ANY story, UFF or 616?

Look how Sue developed from when she first appeared to now. How is that not just like how I described her development in my last post?
Same with Ben, there have been stories of him trying to and even going against the FF in order to regain his human form? How does that go against the idea of Ben struggling to come to terms with/accept his condition?
Hasn't Johnny Storm selfishly abandoned his team before? But still hasn't he selflessly sacrificed his life?

Im not the biggest FF fan, in that I don't know everything or even a huge substantial amount about them like I do my other favorite heroes. But I know enough that Im not pulling their character development out of thin air.

Look at a lot of, imo, good choices for Reed: Hugh Dancy, Patrick Wilson, Billy Crudup or even for Ben like John Beranthal or Bobby Cannavale...should they be written off because they're 40 yrs old or near 40? No.

Im not saying that the FF should be in their 50s and 60s, but should the Fantastic Four all be in their 20s? Because 30s, 40s, whatever I havent heard a good reason why their development couldnt happen

Exec: We have the chance to get Jessica Chastain or Charlize Theron for Sue Storm
Exec 2: Yeah but theyre like 40 so let's scrap that idea.

I would like a solid 4 movies. That would go over a 12 to 15 year period of time.

As I have stated several times, I would love to have Charlize Theron if we had a stand alone movie....Jessica Chastain is no where near the beauty that Sue should be, though she is a fantastic actor.

People who are in their 40s and older are pretty well set in who they are, there is no real development in what they want to be, who they want to be, etc. There is development in questioning are they where they want to be, who they want to be, have they done the right things, lived a life they can be proud of, what is the next step, etc. That is not really development I want to see in an F4 movie. So, if it is a stand alone movie, fine....do a cool SyFy type of movie and let it ride.

If it is a series of films, no, I do not want to see the F4 into their late 40s and early 50s. I would rather see them over their late 20s into their 30s and possibly longer if that is possible for this franchise, so I would much rather see much younger actors in their late 20s early 30s begin that journey, and follow some of the great story lines like Malice etc when Sue was still young in her understanding of her powers, and then 3rd movie in hit some of the very real family aspects that were so well written in the MK series. I liked those stories as they age they were in the comics at that point which was Sue early 30s, Reed early 40s, Ben same age, and Johnny early 20s. It worked well, and that is what I would like to see. Again, just my opinion...

I'm not saying it can't be done your way, I just don't happen to think it would be all that interesting to watch that's all. Just an opinion...

Also, no where did I say they should all be in their 20's, in fact I have said the opposite, that is one of the problems I see with this movie, they are all in their 20s. Which is what I stated just today.

 

[Xeno-noesis]

I agree with casting younger for a Marvel film. Not the nonsense we have right now with Fox.

Is an early 20's Johnny, a late 20's/30-ish Sue, mid-30's Reed and Ben around 40 the standard structure?

I've also been thinking that if the rights do revert or are reacquired, Peyton Reed would have first crack at the film.

 

[Orba]

Peyton Reed definitely could be a good possible if Ant-man does well, Marvel would want to thank him for rescuing the production. If Reed wants to do the FF. For me I still think Brad Bird would be high on Marvel's list, he has a good relationship with Disney and experience of live action, plus of course his experience with the Incredibles. It will probably depend on Tomorrow Land.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Has there ever been talk of Gore Verbinski doing a comic-book film? With his experience doing big-scale fantasy and connections to Disney, I'd be interested in seeing what he could do.

 

[Dark Raven]

Has there ever been talk of Gore Verbinski doing a comic-book film? With his experience doing big-scale fantasy and connections to Disney, I'd be interested in seeing what he could do.

It would probably be R-rated as there would be plenty of gore.

 

[Orba]

A bigger factor would probably be that his past few films just haven't been very successful.

 

[Human Torch]

If anyone's ever watched "Scorpion" on CBS, that's about a team of geniuses (based on the life of Walter O'Brien) who solve global threats. The two lead characters on there are actually a good template for how Reed and Sue should be portrayed.

The lead character Walter, played by Elyes Gabel, has the 4th highest IQ in the world. He's not in touch with the world, but he's not so withdrawn, shy or nerdy in a way that some see Reed. Walter is arrogant and has a sense of self importance, while being somewhat brash and argumentative. However, he's also a man of action and one of his pastimes is racing fast sports cars. He's the most action-orientated of the team and definitely a leader.

The lead female, Paige, played by Katherine McPhee, is on the team to keep him (and the rest of them) in touch with reality and to ensure that everyone has the appropriate socially acceptable response. She's the only non-genius of the team but she's essential to its survival and is also described as being the glue that holds them together. She also is warm and very maternal, being a single mother herself of a young genius son. She often has to teach Walter about certain social graces but she's not some combat ready female - just an ordinary mother.

If you've ever watched that show, I think that would be a very good way to portray Reed and Sue without making Reed seem too weak and unsure of himself like he was in the Tim Story movies, while making Sue very maternal but not needing to have this rather *****y attitude like Jessica Alba had and feeling the need to prove herself as a strong woman.

I've never seen the show,but that does sound just like what is needed for FF.

Of course,it'll probably never happen,since most of the time, writers are intent on turning Sue into "the most powerful member of the team."

 

[Kelly]

I've never seen the show,but that does sound just like what is needed for FF.

Of course,it'll probably never happen,since most of the time, writers are intent on turning Sue into "the most powerful member of the team."

She is the most powerful member of the team....

If they are going by 616 FF, Sue was very much about seeing the big picture where Reed was very detailed, too detailed at times. When Sue did give an opinion, she was usually right but she for the longest time was very much the damsel in distress until around Byrne's time....

She has separated the Hulk and Thing before when they were fighting, what keeps her from ever fully using her powers is her overwhelming desire to do good. The one time where I have seen her REALLY STEP OUT and let her emotions and anger take over recently was with one of the final MK editions when one of her employees comes to her for help from a husband that is abusing her. Sue goes after the husband and almost kills, scares the hell out of him.....afterwards she gets physically sick from it.

The movies did not get this right and totally screwed up with the characterization of Sue....but I do see the comparison of Scorpion to this, and yes that would definitely be a good start.

 

[Dasher10]

To everyone saying that Trank will still be doing Star Wars, remember that Kinberg is also working on the franchise. If any of these rumors about Trank are true, then Kinberg will probably do everything in his power to never have to work with him again in any capacity.

Either these are just nasty rumors and the film will be a hit or it'll be a bomb like Ghost Rider and Green Lantern were, the FF rights will revert to Marvel and Josh Trank will never direct a movie again. The latter seems far more likely since this film has no publicity. No production stills were released, there are next to no interviews, the cast haven't tweeted anything, etc. This simply isn't how you produce a film today. We know a lot about Furious 7, Jupiter Ascending, Age of Ultron, etc but nothing about FF.

 

[Orba]

Yeah Kinberg will be doing a lot of distancing if the rumours are true. When/if the story comes out the stories won't describe Trank as a Fantastic Four director, instead every headline will call him a Star Wars director, sites will get a hundred times more clicks that way. So I can't see Disney being happy about getting pulled into things, and Kinberg is the one who claimed credit for Trank getting the job.

 

[Casius--J]

If anyone's ever watched "Scorpion" on CBS, that's about a team of geniuses (based on the life of Walter O'Brien) who solve global threats. The two lead characters on there are actually a good template for how Reed and Sue should be portrayed.

The lead character Walter, played by Elyes Gabel, has the 4th highest IQ in the world. He's not in touch with the world, but he's not so withdrawn, shy or nerdy in a way that some see Reed. Walter is arrogant and has a sense of self importance, while being somewhat brash and argumentative. However, he's also a man of action and one of his pastimes is racing fast sports cars. He's the most action-orientated of the team and definitely a leader.

The lead female, Paige, played by Katherine McPhee, is on the team to keep him (and the rest of them) in touch with reality and to ensure that everyone has the appropriate socially acceptable response. She's the only non-genius of the team but she's essential to its survival and is also described as being the glue that holds them together. She also is warm and very maternal, being a single mother herself of a young genius son. She often has to teach Walter about certain social graces but she's not some combat ready female - just an ordinary mother.

If you've ever watched that show, I think that would be a very good way to portray Reed and Sue without making Reed seem too weak and unsure of himself like he was in the Tim Story movies, while making Sue very maternal but not needing to have this rather *****y attitude like Jessica Alba had and feeling the need to prove herself as a strong woman.

Wow I've never thought of it like that. Yes I watch the show and I think that is the right route to take with the characters. Reed needs to be confident in himself and Sue needs to have more of maternal role.

 

[justanotherguy]

Reed needs to look early 40s, just like Stark and Banner.

The great thing about the F4 in the MCU is that the Future Foundation can actually exist.

They have built in growth with Franklin and Val-two characters, imo, who absolutely should be included in the films. It definitely enhances the family element.

Then you can spin-off into an FF film, Power Pack,etc.

The MCU could have F4 related films Harry Potter style, every 1.5 years without overexposure.

 

[Farren]

Yeah Kinberg will be doing a lot of distancing if the rumours are true. When/if the story comes out the stories won't describe Trank as a Fantastic Four director, instead every headline will call him a Star Wars director, sites will get a hundred times more clicks that way. So I can't see Disney being happy about getting pulled into things, and Kinberg is the one who claimed credit for Trank getting the job.

It still surprises me that Disney chose Trank in the first place. With Abrams they had one of the safest choices possible: a competent, experienced director who had made a homage to Spielberg and done a serviceable job with the Trek reboot (by industry standards anyway). I don't understand how they go from that to a filmmaker who's been untested on a major production. I'm not saying it's automatically a terrible idea, but it's strange logic after the choice of Abrams.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It still surprises me that Disney chose Trank in the first place. With Abrams they had one of the safest choices possible: a competent, experienced director who had made a homage to Spielberg and done a serviceable job with the Trek reboot (by industry standards anyway). I don't understand how they go from that to a filmmaker who's been untested on a major production. I'm not saying it's automatically a terrible idea, but it's strange logic after the choice of Abrams.

I have a feeling they're treating the 'main' Star Wars films a little different from the 'side' Star Wars films. The ones that continue the primary story will probably be higher profile with bigger budgets and fewer risks while the ones dealing with other story lines will probably take more risks.

But with that said, I highly doubt Trank will keep the Star Wars gig. Even if the worst of the rumors aren't true, it's clear there's something going on - enough that no studios are going to take a chance on him with anything other than another Chronicle type film.

 

[Docker2.0]

The only reason Disney got Trank was to "throw him off" the F4, kind of having him had divided attention. The last time he spoke with the media, he seemed to talk more about it than F4. I doubt he stays on it after he destroys the F4.

 

[MadVillainy]

The only reason Disney got Trank was to "throw him off" the F4, kind of having him had divided attention. The last time he spoke with the media, he seemed to talk more about it than F4. I doubt he stays on it after he destroys the F4.

or nah...

I dont see/hear any evidence of that