The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

[Zarex]

That sounds like an awful lot of "Marvel paying Fox for not much in return". Marvel would be far better off just ignoring Fox, letting them have their train wreck, and continuing to produce other movies.

Perhaps. And I fully concede my bias towards having the FF in the MCU, financials be damned. But I think this is the time to offer the carrot rather than the stick, as Marvel appears to be doing with Sony and Spider-man.

Assisting FOX in earning back what anyone with eyes could see was a horrible investment may not be popular. But if there's a way for Marvel to get their characters back with a relatively modest investment ($50 million?), minimal if any damage to the FF brand, while allowing FOX to proudly declare "We win!" without getting anything of real value, I think they should take it.

 

[kaijunexus]

Outside of X Men: Apocalypse, which will likely experience a drop off at the box office due to increased competition and no mash up with the OT cast, the upcoming FOX slate looks pretty weak:

FFINO - August 7, 2015
Deadpool - February 12, 2016
X Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Gambit: The Movie - October 7, 2016
The Wolverine 2 (or 3) - March 3, 2017
FFINO 2 - June 2, 2017

Outside of the X Men sequel, I don't have any confidence in that lineup.

Agreed. I mean...let's look that this for a second...

FFINO - Don't even need to say anything. We all know what this is.

Deadpool - Many comic fans love Deadpool. Many comic fans only love Deadpool in small doses. The GA doesn't know Deadpool at all. I have my doubts about the potential success of this film.

X Men: Apocalypse - Let's be honest. It's probably gonna be pretty good and will very likely be a box office success.

Gambit: The Movie - Very similar to my Deadpool assessment, but it has two things going for it. Gambit doesn't have the potential to be super annoying like Deadpool, and people love Channing Tatum. This one is going require that all the pieces come together just right.

The Wolverine 2 (or 3) - People have got to be feeling some Wolverine fatigue by this point. Could be good quality, but it's going to take a lot to make this a blockbuster.

FFINO 2 - Very doubtful it's even happening.

So we've got one sure-fire hit, two films that have some potential to be successful, and three movies that are likely to make Fox almost no money whatsoever.

Doesn't look great for Fox at the moment.

 

[Endeavor]

they are Fox fans (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that)

But there IS something wrong with that. This is a superhero forum. It's about the characters... Or at least I think it should be.
It's not a "what an awesome company that is" forum. Or "who's the best money maker and who are their lackeys" forum. I imagine there are some dark places in the internet where you can go sniff corporate behinds, but this should not be the place for that.

 

[Art Freak]

Hopefully the moving/announcement of FFINO 2's date is simply housekeeping by FOX and positing their much more popular franchise of APES in a better position to succeed. They'd look pretty foolish having two of their own IPs released on the same day so they had to move FFINO 2. It was technically announced already, long ago. This is further proof they don't believe in it. It is just a moveable pawn after all.

From Coming Soon:

The third Untitled Planet of the Apes Movie, the sequel to last summer’s major blockbuster Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, was moved to July 14, 2017, giving them another year to work on that, while The Fantastic Four 2, the sequel to this summer’s reboot of the Marvel superhero team, was moved from that date up to June 2, 2017.

 

[Kelly]

Really? I just want to talk about the movie details. Jabs about "deluded" thinking aren't productive, nor are requests to put "your money where your mouth is." End of topic for me.

I understand what you want to do, but this is probably not the thread to do that in....

The discussion in here is of course going to be on a negative trend for this movie, considering the vast majority of people want the movie to "just not happen" and the rights revert back to Marvel, hence the title of this thread.

As much as I wish the overall perception of this movie was a good one, it just isn't, and that is the reality of it. You have some here that, yes.... can be very rude, and are simply here to mess with those that are excited for the movie, they have been and will be taken care of in the future, WILLIE IS NOT ONE OF THOSE. So, instead of jumping to conclusions, really read what is being said and try and understand from the "decades long fans" point of view. They want a FANTASTIC F4 movie, just like you do...THAT you can agree on, but what they are seeing and hearing, IN THEIR OPINION is not showing a FANTASTIC movie, and they are going to make that opinion known. You can't take that personally, it is just the reality of the situation at this point. I can assure you, if come time for the movie to come out, or heck even trailer, shows us something totally different from what we are hearing....THE LONG TIME FANS will be right with you praising the heck out of the movie, but they know what they have wanted to see in an F4 movie, going on 3 decades now, and have yet to see it. You do have things to agree on, but just because their "hope" for a good movie is not as high as yours doesn't mean their desire for that great movie is not as great, or greater, and in some cases even greater than yours.

 

[Zarex]

But there IS something wrong with that. This is a superhero forum. It's about the characters... Or at least I think it should be.
It's not a "what an awesome company that is" forum. Or "who's the best money maker and who are their lackeys" forum. I imagine there are some dark places in the internet where you can go sniff corporate behinds, but this should not be the place for that.

It is entirely reasonable that a number of posters prefer the Donner/Singer X-Men series of films to superhero movies put out by Marvel, Sony and WB. What I don't undersatnd is why so many X-Men fans (Jaymes e 06 is a notable exception) feel compelled to support FFINO out of loyalty to FOX despite the company treating the First Family like gum left on the sidewalk.

FOX's FFINO and the X-Men franchise have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and supporting the Tranktastic Four due to the corporate logo is like an MCU fan buying a "Million Dollar Arm" Blu-Ray because Disney.

 

[Art Freak]

Hey, I like those sappy Disney true story movies! A better example might be THE SHAGGY DOG featuring RDJ but otherwise your analogy is spot on.

 

[Dasher10]

Outside of X Men: Apocalypse, which will likely experience a drop off at the box office due to increased competition and no mash up with the OT cast, the upcoming FOX slate looks pretty weak:

FFINO - August 7, 2015
Deadpool - February 12, 2016
X Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Gambit: The Movie - October 7, 2016
The Wolverine 2 (or 3) - March 3, 2017
FFINO 2 - June 2, 2017

Outside of the X Men sequel, I don't have any confidence in that lineup.

I disagree. Deadpool has a very acclaimed script that leaked years ago, Gambit is getting a script written by CHRIS CLAREMONT and Wolverine 3 has a good director. I still doubt that FF is going to be good in any regard due to the rumors about Trank, Kinberg being reluctant to talk about it and how completely unfaithful Trank's take on Doctor Doom is.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I disagree. Deadpool has a very acclaimed script that leaked years ago, Gambit is getting a script written by CHRIS CLAREMONT and Wolverine 3 has a good director. I still doubt that FF is going to be good in any regard due to the rumors about Trank, Kinberg being reluctant to talk about it and how completely unfaithful Trank's take on Doctor Doom is.

I agree in that it's all about the script and director (and studio support, but if the studio knows they have a good script and director, they'll support it - just like they won't support the FF since they have a bad script and director).

Any of those could be made into a great movie or could be made into a terrible movie (including FF2) - it's all about the skill and vision of those making it.

I had zero interest in Guardians of the Galaxy, but it was getting good reviews and it was Marvel, so I went to see it and it was a good film.

 

[2094]

What does the INO stand for in FFINO haha

 

[Kelly]

What does the INO stand for in FFINO haha

In Name Only...

 

[Human Torch]

FFINO Obviously this one will bomb hard

Deadpool I think this stands a chance of being a "modest" success.Most detractors still enjoyed Ryan in Origins and it should be quirky enough to be different from the standard X-fare.

X Men: Apocalypse Will probably be the only hugely successful film.

Gambit: The Movie I.....don't really think Gambit is strong enough to carry a solo film.I can foresee it becoming Origins Gambit,where they throw in a ton of guest stars.But I don't see it taking off.Tatum is also a big "meh".

The Wolverine 2 (or 3) I think this has the potential to be pretty big.It depends on the direction (Will he finally don the Blue & Gold? Omega Red?)
and if this will be Hugh's farewell performance,a lot of nostalgia could bring it extra good will.

FFINO 2 Wishful thinking of the highest order.

 

[Zarex]

I disagree. Deadpool has a very acclaimed script that leaked years ago, Gambit is getting a script written by CHRIS CLAREMONT and Wolverine 3 has a good director. I still doubt that FF is going to be good in any regard due to the rumors about Trank, Kinberg being reluctant to talk about it and how completely unfaithful Trank's take on Doctor Doom is.

Mind you, I'm not making any judgement regarding the quality of these movies (except for FFINO. I am definitely doing that.). For all we know, Gambit: The Movie could be the Citizen Kane of kinetically-charged playing card-slinging mutant movies.

I would set The Wolverine as the high water mark for these three X-Men spin offs, and that made just $132 million domestically. So how are these three films going to make money? Will FOX incorporate foreign actors and settings into The Wolverine 2 (or 3), Gambit: The Movie and Deadpool in order to pull in overseas dollars? Will the budgets be severly restricted or cut as with Jackman's prior solo outing? Will these be more "adult" in content in order to appeal to audiences not interested in the MCU and the DCU?

Frankly, I think FOX should have greenlit X-Force.

 

[Orba]

The big thing with over the top characters like Deadpool are that if they are not handled very carefully then its very easy for them to just become annoying and put the audience off. They need a good script with a good director who knows how to handle the character, and if Fox aren't willing to make sure that they have that then they could end up with a mess.

 

[Mr.M]

X-Force doesn't have established characters. I would only green light it after a Deadpool AND Cable movie. X-Force could also be the introduction of Cable as well, but still, I think they need to introduce more of those characters in future X-films or spinoffs first to build their popularity. They can also retool the roster to include popular, staple X-Men characters. It can't be looked at as a completely foreign spinoff that looks like the bastard child of X-Men.

 

[Dark Raven]

Deadpool should really have been tried out in another movie first to see how the audience respond. And I don't mean X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Maybe he could appear in FFINO and could make disparaging comments about how it's nothing like the comic and point out everything wrong as they go along.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I honestly don't see Deadpool doing that well, it's got a pretty ****** release date when it comes to genre films and it's starring Mr. Box office Poison. Fox better be keeping the budget super low.

 

[UltraSuperGuy]

I disagree. Deadpool has a very acclaimed script that leaked years ago

"Acclaimed script"??? Sorry, a bunch of fanboys saying they really liked a script doesn't mean that it is "acclaimed".

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I think Ryan Reynolds is generally well liked by audiences, he's just made some poor choices recently. I honestly don't think it would take much to get himself back on track. Deadpool could very well be that.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think you are mistaking Ryan Reynolds for Bradley Cooper.

I don't think Ryan Reynolds is well liked by audiences, I think fanboys generally like Ryan Reynolds and that is it. Unless a film Reynolds is in is co-starring a superstar like Sandra Bullock and Denzel I believe audiences see him and know that the film is going to suck.

Hollywood has been pushing Reynolds on everyone for years and he has yet to break into the A-list some so sorely want him to break into.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Well like I said, he's made some bad choices which contributed to this perception. But he definitely has talent and could turn things around with better roles. Crap material can bring anyone down.

 

[RAE072]

Oh hey, new Ant-Man poster, that's also genuinely hilarious.

On top of all the other neat stuff Ant-Man has gotten.

Wouldn't it be great if the Fantastic Four movie was treated with the same excitement and respect that the Ant-Man movie is being treated with?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I have to be honest, I think Reynolds is talented but I gave up on him last year.

Lol Anyway I guess I'm off topic a smidge.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

"Acclaimed script"??? Sorry, a bunch of fanboys saying they really liked a script doesn't mean that it is "acclaimed".

It's pretty damn good though.

But don't worry. Fox will blow it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh hey, new Ant-Man poster, that's also genuinely hilarious.

On top of all the other neat stuff Ant-Man has gotten.

Wouldn't it be great if the Fantastic Four movie was treated with the same excitement and respect that the Ant-Man movie is being treated with?

But you don't need any set photos or a logo or anything. This is just how Fox markets their films, despite being deathly afraid to show us anything unlike other films coming out at the same time, they have the upmost confidence in FF because the dated a sequel.

My sarcasm is practically all used up after this post.