The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread

[BeserkerHilf]

I have this theory that one of the unannounced phase 3 release dates that they won't talk about for at least another year is for Fantastic 4. In my theory, they have been hypothetically developing it in case the rights revert (like figuring out how it fits into the MCu) without getting too much into the writing process or anything that could cause a legal battles over the rights.

 

[Green Goblin]

DD needs a film right now

 

[spideyboy_1111]

DD is going to be ALOT longer than F4

 

[Green Goblin]

I have this theory that one of the unannounced phase 3 release dates that they won't talk about for at least another year is for Fantastic 4. In my theory, they have been hypothetically developing it in case the rights revert (like figuring out how it fits into the MCu) without getting too much into the writing process or anything that could cause a legal battles over the rights.

Can they do that?

 

[Dark Raven]

Can they do that?

Anyone can do that. It's just like fan fiction or a fan movie. You yourself could develop a Fantastic Four movie treatment or script. It's only when things become public or official that trouble begins.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I have this theory that one of the unannounced phase 3 release dates that they won't talk about for at least another year is for Fantastic 4. In my theory, they have been hypothetically developing it in case the rights revert (like figuring out how it fits into the MCu) without getting too much into the writing process or anything that could cause a legal battles over the rights.

...no.

DD needs a film right now

Not really. Marvel is keeping to big, high concept properties for movies along with characters that are important to the Avengers team. Daredevil would be better served on TV imo, spinning out of Agents of SHIELD maybe in a similar way Flash is spinning out of Arrow.

 

[Green Goblin]

Grrrrr Just give the rights back to Marvel Grrrrrr

 

[Zarex]

Grrrrr Just give the rights back to Marvel Grrrrrr

We get it - you don't care what happens to the FF film rights. And most of us posting on his thread (myself included) care way too much. But when I first started reading comic books, the FF were THE Marvel super hero team, and I truly believe they are every bit as deserving of a big budget on-screen treatment as the X-Men, Avengers or the Justice League. And the fact that FOX, which has already released two awful FF films is threatening to pump out another film that will likely kill the franchise for good - I admit that it bothers me way more than it should. So try to understand that loyal fans of the FF are going to " keep hope alive" that the First Family's next adventure takes place in the best possible place for success - and that clearly is the MCU.

 

[Green Goblin]

We get it - you don't care what happens to the FF film rights. And most of us posting on his thread (myself included) care way too much. But when I first started reading comic books, the FF were THE Marvel super hero team, and I truly believe they are every bit as deserving of a big budget on-screen treatment as the X-Men, Avengers or the Justice League. And the fact that FOX, which has already released two awful FF films is threatening to pump out another film that will likely kill the franchise for good - I admit that it bothers me way more than it should. So try to understand that loyal fans of the FF are going to " keep hope alive" that the First Family's next adventure takes place in the best possible place for success - and that clearly is the MCU.

Don't worry I want the rights back too but at the end of the day I don't care about movie studios and who owns who. I just think that for one film the FF have a universe that is large enough to be explored forone film.

 

[BETArayBill]

Is it wrong that even if this is the best superhero movie ever that I don't want it to make a dime so the rights go back to marvel?

 

[psylockolussus]

Yes its wrong, in my opinion.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

considering the F4 can never be used to their full potential without the combination of Black Panther, The Inhumans, The Kree, Namor, She-Hulk, and the list goes on.....

I don't think it could ever be the best superhero movie ever not without being able to use them to there fullest. (and lol the Fantastic Four unfortunately probably wont ever carry the title of best superhero film ever.. anyway...)

 

[Project862006]

if f4 needs other heroes to reach full potential then that means they cant stand on their own

 

[Project862006]

...no.


Not really. Marvel is keeping to big, high concept properties for movies along with characters that are important to the Avengers team. Daredevil would be better served on TV imo, spinning out of Agents of SHIELD maybe in a similar way Flash is spinning out of Arrow.

this is exactly why i wanted dd to stay way from marvel studios

a DD film could be like batman begins

 

[BeserkerHilf]

...no.

My, what an eloquent and well-thought out retort! It's so hard to see things from my perspective now with your detailed breakdown of how I've been going about this all wrong!

 

[Green Goblin]

Is it wrong that even if this is the best superhero movie ever that I don't want it to make a dime so the rights go back to marvel?

Yes, it's called fanboyism (MCU fanboyism)

 

[Zarex]

if f4 needs other heroes to reach full potential then that means they cant stand on their own

That's not true. Iron Man was perfectly capable of standing on his own. But battling with Thor, squabbling with Cap and being caught by Hulk helped move the franchise to the $1 billion + level. The benefit of a connected universe is that every character helps every other one. The FOX FF could be ok, but divorced from The Hulk, Namor and the female members of the Inhuman royal family the franchise will be unable to reach its full potential.

This reboot is important, and long time fans of the First Family want it to have every opportunity to succeed. A rushed, low budget, X-Men linked version put out soley to retain rights that have value to Marvel could kill off the franchise for good. That's why people on his thread are so passionate about having the rights revert.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

if f4 needs other heroes to reach full potential then that means they cant stand on their own

Standing on their own isntt the same thing as being used to their full potential... And this heroes listed art all heroes to them all the time. Especially Namor, the kree and the inhumans. The frightful four are already ridiculously diminished because of rights (no medusa , hydroman, sandman) , they don't have crystal either who's a big part of the mythos, and Namor is a realllllly huge part of the fantastic four.

Standing on their own is fine for a film or two. But its more interesting to introduce a "grey area" villain then just have them deal with run of the mill ones.

There's alot of great stories that are important to the FF mythos fox can simply not tell because they can't use the characters involved.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yes, it's called fanboyism (MCU fanboyism)

And you'd rather just get a movie sooner than later. And would rather trade quality for "sooner the better" and a mash-up between two teams that would likely do nothing but be yet another crutch for the FF to lean on. Mark my words.... The only reason FOX wants a shared universe is to make more money. They do not care about the FF films. But they know having them interact with the much larger fanbase of the xmen WILL get more butts into the seats, no matter the film quality.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Is it wrong that even if this is the best superhero movie ever that I don't want it to make a dime so the rights go back to marvel?

I want it to be the best film ever and the biggest money-maker ever. I want it to be so good that Marvel says: "Crap, so that's the way you make a Superhero film." and the bar is raised for all future films.

. . . now, ask me how confident I am that will happen.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Will the upcoming reboot of the Fantastic Four share a universe with the future X-Men films?

“Without question I think you have to see some of these guys showing up in each other’s movies I think the most exciting thing in superhero movies, until The Avengers came along, was when Nick Fury showed up in Iron Man. Even though it was a guy with an eye patch it was really cool – and I expect we will see more of that.”

Note to web journos: FF & X-Men are NOT crossing over. Existing in shared universe does NOT mean a crossover movie, excitable ones...

Mark Millar, folks.

 

[Mr. Dent]

this is exactly why i wanted dd to stay way from marvel studios

a DD film could be like batman begins

Daredevil is not Batman. :I

Not to mention using Batman Begins as justification for giving Daredevil a film is coming from the wrong place right off the bat.

My, what an eloquent and well-thought out retort! It's so hard to see things from my perspective now with your detailed breakdown of how I've been going about this all wrong!

Get your panties out of a bunch bro. That "theory" doesn't deserve much more than that. It's not possible and not happening. 0% chance. They already know what films are going in those unannounced slots, and they're Doctor Strange, Inhumans, and a Cap, Thor, or GOTG sequel. After that they have room for one more film in 2017 and then Avengers 3 in 2018, and that other film would also be a Cap, Thor, or GOTG sequel.

Not to mention studios don't "secretly plan" for movies they don't own especially when that movie already has a release date at another studio, let alone plan it for release for just 3 years out. Your "theory" is more like a silly pipe dream. For a second I thought you were joking but seeing how devastated you are that I didn't respond with a thoughtful disagreement I guess not.

As you can see, I shouldn't have to explain this, it should be common sense. Which is why I simply said no. But it seems I was expecting too much.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I have this theory that one of the unannounced phase 3 release dates that they won't talk about for at least another year is for Fantastic 4. In my theory, they have been hypothetically developing it in case the rights revert (like figuring out how it fits into the MCu) without getting too much into the writing process or anything that could cause a legal battles over the rights.

Get your panties out of a bunch bro. That "theory" doesn't deserve much more than that. It's not possible and not happening. 0% chance. They already know what films are going in those unannounced slots, and they're Doctor Strange, Inhumans, and a Cap, Thor, or GOTG sequel. After that they have room for one more film in 2017 and then Avengers 3 in 2018, and that other film would also be a Cap, Thor, or GOTG sequel.

Not to mention studios don't "secretly plan" for movies they don't own especially when that movie already has a release date at another studio, let alone plan it for release for just 3 years out. Your "theory" is more like a silly pipe dream. For a second I thought you were joking but seeing how devastated you are that I didn't respond with a thoughtful disagreement I guess not.

As you can see, I shouldn't have to explain this, it should be common sense. Which is why I simply said no. But it seems I was expecting too much.

I suspect that the truth actually lies between these two views. I'm sure that Marvel isn't including the FF in a secret, primary plan while they don't have the rights, but I think they also realize that there is at least some chance they will get those rights (and they know better than us the status of any talks and they know the specific details of the contract Fox needs to meet).

So I suspect that they do have at least an alternate, contingency plan for what they will do if Fox doesn't start filming soon, and it looks like they will default on those rights.

Long-range plans aren't written in stone and any business with a long-range plan also has contingencies to that long-range plan.

What if movie X tanks? What if movie Y does much better than expected? What if audiences hate villain Z? What if director A leaves? What if we get the FF rights back?

All of those questions have to be considered in the long-range planning.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Mark Millar, folks.

lol yeah... if that's not talking out his ass im not sure what is... he litterally says "some characters crossing over" than takes it back the next day

 

[Mr.M]

lol yeah... if that's not talking out his ass im not sure what is... he litterally says "some characters crossing over" than takes it back the next day

I don't have an explanation, but maybe he doesn't want to impose on the creative visions of Singer and Trank, or any other people that may be attached to future projects, and he had to retract on that.

Clearly he was brought in to oversee some shared universe. So that almost certainly includes FF and X-Men. I think there is clear indecision, and Fox could be on the ropes. They need to make a decision by the end of the year IMO. I don't think they can wait until after DoFP past comes out, but if they can, then we probably will hear the same ambivalence regarding this project up until next summer.