The Dark Knight The lack of realism

[maninthechair]

Ok I will agree with some of the points you have made but it is a Batman movie. He is a fictional character and it is impossible to to film it 100% realistic. Actually, it could be totally realistic but it wouldn't be a good Batman movie. I think what people are talking about with the realism is Nolan took the fantasy aspects of the Batman world and grounded them in reality. Example. Rather than have the Joker fall into a vat of chemicals and come out looking like a clown, he's a sociopath with scars and wears face paint. Yes, some of the aspects of the movie are still a bit unrealistic but I wouldn't want it any other way.

 

[Merkel]

Batman's choices are unlikely but not impossible. But as you said, that is trully what makes him a superhero. The purest form of it.

 

[Rogzilla]

Schlosser85: I'm trying to have a discussion. God forbid, I have a different take on this movie.

Batman Begins was much more the illusion of realism. This was not and that's what I loved. I went "What the hell, pure awesomeness!" when Batman did the most amazing things, totally unrealistic and far from grounded in any realism (on the planet I live on anyhow).

What I want to sound like is not the topic. I may be the biggest A-hole out there. You sir, shoud focus on the message, not the messenger.

Then discuss. You come in, start the thread, some people respond, and you counter with "Well I give up."

And what you want to sound like is vital. If you are interested in intellectual discussion, you should phrase your opening arguments as such. Instead, you framed it as someone who has a bone with the movie and the people who praise it...not a good way to start a discussion.

So counterpoint people's statements, give us in depth, thought out analysis and people will give you intelligent discussion.

 

[3eyes]

You say that you want a discussion about it but you fail to give concrete examples about what is unrealistic leaving us nothing to argue except what has previously been refuted over and over again.

 

[Dotten]

maninthechair: Exactly! I don't want to see sweat-marks under Supermans arms, I want to see him fly.

And I did (thankfully) not see Batman sweat. This movie was far out there in many aspects, much fantasy and that is what i loved about it.

All this talking about reality and realism will be used as ammo for the haters. Don't give them that oppurtunity. This movie is excellent because it's quite awesome and Batmand does things no living man can come close to doing.

But by thinking so, I'm probably a racist and a troll. Give it a rest, please ...

 

[NEROHERO]

Let me Guss your talking about what batman was able to Do with the Bat pod Right ? and Dude most of the Doctors where i live are Dumb as ---- and i do Agrees with the guys above me. pepole have Came out of worse stuff. and that Depends on the persons Health. alot of this stuff If happned to the right person and the right things happned it chold be possable

Every body is Different Dude..hell what might not be real in terms of one person might be for another person.

I Respect your Opinion Dude however A Doctor will tell you Depending on the person and DNA and all that other stuff this might be possable.

 

[Dotten]

You say that you want a discussion about it but you fail to give concrete examples about what is unrealistic leaving us nothing to argue except what has previously been refuted over and over again.

Everything Batman does. Just start there.

Living without an operation like two-face did.

It's all in the opening post. For that the answers I get "he's a troll" and "are you a racist?".

 

[ultimatefan]

Excuse me for having a difference of opinion. Freedom of speach is a hard thing for those who not tolerate different opinion.

Fact is, Mythbusters could make a whole season dedicated to The Dark Knigh. I find it more realistic that a man comes falling down from the sky from another planet with weird clothing-codex and with super-strength, then the thought of someone managing the things Bruce Wayne does physically and mentally. Even Ghandi had his flaws.

And that's what I love with Batman in this film. That's what makes him a superhero.

If fans don't tolerate a different take on a movie one loves, then too bad. The mind is like a parachute. It functions best when it is open. I see a lot of people falling to the ground in this thread not even trying to have an opened mind. Just bashing out idiotic comments like "racist?" and so on (this is not targeted at all of you, some have good takes i like).

Why so bloody serious? It's a discussion.

More typical troll stuff "people bash me because I have a different opinion", no, they bash you cuz the way you presented your opinion is terribly weak, and you add more cheap sarcasm to your comment to attract even more animosity and play like the innocent victim you´re not. This is too easy.

One way or another, the realism thing has been debated to death. All I have to say is in this article I wrote, if anyone is interested:


http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_smoke-and-mirrors_realism_awinckt_2007.html

 

[I12DOIT]

Excuse me for having a difference of opinion. Freedom of speach is a hard thing for those who not tolerate different opinion.

Fact is, Mythbusters could make a whole season dedicated to The Dark Knigh. I find it more realistic that a man comes falling down from the sky from another planet with weird clothing-codex and with super-strength, then the thought of someone managing the things Bruce Wayne does physically and mentally. Even Ghandi had his flaws.

And that's what I love with Batman in this film. That's what makes him a superhero.

If fans don't tolerate a different take on a movie one loves, then too bad. The mind is like a parachute. It functions best when it is open. I see a lot of people falling to the ground in this thread not even trying to have an opened mind. Just bashing out idiotic comments like "racist?" and so on (this is not targeted at all of you, some have good takes i like).

Why so bloody serious? It's a discussion.

Why is it that every time you make an argument you contradict yourself? Do you have any ambition?

 

[Merkel]

But that's the thing about Batman, he takes human potential to a whole new level. It's not really unrealistic, but utopic. Batman is what we can be if we want it bad enough. it still is a very powerful alegorical figure, but it is not totally far fetched. That's why he is so relatable, that's why the sense of danger in TDK was very much real. The whole thing felt real and grounded.

 

[NEROHERO]

But that's the thing about Batman, he takes human potential to a whole new level. It's not really unrealistic, but utopic. Batman is what we can be if we want it bad enough. it still is a very powerful alegorical figure, but it is not totally far fetched. That's why he is so relatable, that's why the sense of danger in TDK was very much real. The whole thing felt real and grounded.

"He is Right batman Mostly Trained all of his Life and if i am not Mistaken Doesnt batman the Goamth night Explain all of this. like how he is able to Endure pain.

Ya none of this Stuff is Possible..FOR SOMEONE WHO IS POOR

 

[Sevb30]

I doubt anyone on Mythbusters will jump in to get half their face soaked in gasoline and lit on fire to see the effects. And using a dummy would not be accurate.

 

[Merkel]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_smoke-and-mirrors_realism_awinckt_2007.html

Very interesting article

 

[Dotten]

Why is it that every time you make an argument you contradict yourself? Do you have any ambition?

I guess it's you not managing to understand my writings. Maybe try again?

Bruce Wayne is a guy who as a child saw his parents murdered. He spent his life getting knowledge about the dark side of the world. He sacrifices everything to fight evil. He cares not what others think of him. He traines day and night, beat the crap out of bad-guys. And he is one of the richest and most powerfull people in the world.

And now the funny part. People write they can relate to him? To that? Excuse me, but people have very high thoughts of themselves if they can relate to Bruce Wayne. Maybe a handfull of living people on this earth can relate to the sacrifice and the choices he must make.

People are living an illusion. Bruce Wayne is a super-human. If you can relate to the things he must do, then I feel sorry for you because of the sacrifices and the choises you have made. You are then really a true hero.

The two persons that most people can relate to in TDK is Dent and Gordon. Not Bruce Wayne. Quit fooling yourselves. Most people are cowards and the more one gets to know one self, the more one will dislike what one sees. I humbly worship every person who truly (and not in an allusion) can relate to Bruce Wayne. Because those people, if out there, are superheroes.

I'm clearly not one of them, even though people say I'm the nicest guy around (do not agree with them, but then again). People tend to make the popular choice, not the right one. Are you popular, your probably a bad person. One of the best aspects with TDK.

 

[Maximus One]

Dotten I agree with you but like you said Why So Serious? I think when someone asked if you were racist they were joking. You want my opinion you need to lighten up and see the funny side

 

[Jorriss]

This movie wasn't realistic, more so then Begins, but it still maintained that guise of realism. I am surprised the things you pointed out though to show your position.

Out of all the 100+ feet falls Batman survived through, you decided to pick the fight scenes and compare them to Spiderman?

Btw, I don't think I've seen anyone burnt as bad as two face where the jaw and underlying bone is exposed. Maybe, if this happened, someone could live with skin grafts, but without them, he'd just get infections like mad. Two-face could not have lived as shown, that is unrealistic, but realistic doesn't mean it can happen, it's giving the illusion it can.

 

[Maximus One]

Wait man you dont have to be a carbon copy of someone to relate to them

 

[Dotten]

Dotten I agree with you but like you said Why So Serious? I think when someone asked if you were racist they were joking. You want my opinion you need to lighten up and see the funny side

Your probably right. It's just that its hard to have a different take on TDK. If one does not go along with the sheep one is looked apon as a wolf. I'm a great fan of TDK. But looks like I'm liking it for the wrong reasons.

Ironic, I must say.

 

[NEROHERO]

Everything Batman does. Just start there.

Living without an operation like two-face did.

It's all in the opening post. For that the answers I get "he's a troll" and "are you a racist?".

What Do you mean By everything He Dose just asking

From what i remmber batman jumped off rooftops and beat pepole up just like in the last Movie. And if your talking about

Spoiler

When batman Lands on the back of the van then maybe you need to go back and look at all the things he has in that suit. and if your also talking about fighting the Dogs anyone can fight a dog. Punch it in the nose.

Alot of the stuff he did he went though alot worse in some points of batman begins.

 

[Merkel]

I guess it's you not managing to understand my writings. Maybe try again?

Bruce Wayne is a guy who as a child saw his parents murdered. He spent his life getting knowledge about the dark side of the world. He sacrifices everything to fight evil. He cares not what others think of him. He traines day and night, beat the crap out of bad-guys. And he is one of the richest and most powerfull people in the world.

And now the funny part. People write they can relate to him? To that? Excuse me, but people have very high thoughts of themselves if they can relate to Bruce Wayne. Maybe a handfull of living people on this earth can relate to the sacrifice and the choices he must make.

People are living an illusion. Bruce Wayne is a super-human. If you can relate to the things he must do, then I feel sorry for you because of the sacrifices and the choises you have made. You are then really a true hero.

The two persons that most people can relate to in TDK is Dent and Gordon. Not Bruce Wayne. Quit fooling yourselves. Most people are cowards and the more one gets to know one self, the more one will dislike what one sees. I humbly worship every person who truly (and not in an allusion) can relate to Bruce Wayne. Because those people, if out there, are superheroes.

I'm clearly not one of them, even though people say I'm the nicest guy around (do not agree with them, but then again). People tend to make the popular choice, not the right one. Are you popular, your probably a bad person. One of the best aspects with TDK.

That's like saying no one can relate to Jesus Christ.

Batman is a beacon of hope, an inspiration. He is not above us, he is one of us. He shows the true human potential. YOu have to be inspired by his example, forcing you in becoming a better person, not just stand back in awe.

 

[Maximus One]

Me personally i couldnt give less of a **** about it being realistic or unrealistic. I go to the movies to be entertained and TDK is honestly one of the best movies Ive seen in years

 

[Maximus One]

That's like saying no one can relate to Jesus Christ.

Batman is a beacon of hope, an inspiration. He is not above us, he is one of us. He shows the true human potential. YOu have to be inspired by his example, forcing you in becoming a better person, not just stand back in awe.

You sir get a gold star

 

[Dotten]

That's like saying no one can relate to Jesus Christ.

Batman is a beacon of hope, an inspiration. He is not above us, he is one of us. He shows the true human potential. YOu have to be inspired by his example, forcing you in becoming a better person, not just stand back in awe.

It's a great difference between relating to the choices one must make and relating to the person who is taking them.

I know all about sacrifice, in a totally different situation that what Wayne is up against. In those manner, symbolically, I can relate to making sacrifices and making the right choice over the popular choice. But that is not the same as me relating to Bruce Wayne. That I can not. And I am really happy for that. If someone kills my two kids, then maybe I can relate to him. But I really don't want that.

But I can relate to Harvey Dent (and happily not Two-Face. Hopefully that will not happen).

 

[Dotten]

Me personally i couldnt give less of a **** about it being realistic or unrealistic. I go to the movies to be entertained and TDK is honestly one of the best movies Ive seen in years

You sir, I can agree with on this matter

 

[3eyes]

just because you can't relate to him doesn't mean that it isn't realistic