The Dark Knight The lack of realism

[Maximus One]

MAking sacrifices is not the only aspect of Bruce Wayne though and being heroic isnt either. People are alot more complex than that. Just because you arent exactly like another person doesnt mean you cant relate

 

[Maximus One]

just because you can't relate to him doesn't mean that it isn't realistic

I agree. Although making the characters more relatable does make it more realistic but realism doesnt depend on it

 

[Dotten]

Maybe. But theres a ton of people out there writing that this is so awesome bacause one can relate to Bruce Wayne. "The movie is grounded in realism because Batman is a real man one can relate to" That's just handing over ammo to the haters, they will tear that apart.

 

[Maximus One]

Well I can totally see how someone could relate to Bruce Wayne. Whether it be because theyve lost their parents or someone close to them or that they are billionaire playboys. There are lots of different ways you can relate to someone

 

[Dotten]

Yes, but look at Bruce Wayne. He is a person not living his life. He is living Batmans life. He sacrifices everything to fight evil. And it's not like he lost someone in an accident or by natural means. They where gunned down right in front of him. The horrific impact that has one ones psychic I can not fathom and I hope that is wisdom I never acquire. And he choose to fight this evil, well knowing that it makes the chances for him loosing more people he cares about due to evil doings gets even bigger.

Relate to him? Only few people can. And they are probably not movie-reviewers ...

 

[Jorriss]

There are many people who have had there parents murdered, or have risked there life to save others.
Just because they don't don an outfit and fight crime doesn't mean it's unrelated. Relate =/= same situation

 

[SuperZer0]

Some people take the realism aspect in movies too literally. Don't forget, movies are fictions. So, nothing will always be "real" in the purest sense.

But, I understand what you're trying to say. There were certain scenes where I was going "how the hell can Batman do that?", for example, when Batman jumps on Scarecrow's van and the van gets smashed by the full force of his jump and weight, without breaking his legs and with no injuries. That's inhuman and unrealistic.

But, it's a movie. It's made to entertain.

 

[Merkel]

As he himself put it, Bruce Wayne is a dramatic example to shake people out of apathy. People don't need to go as far as he did, but is clearly there to show us the way to show us we can do something about it. He is relatable because his dilemas are pretty much real. He longs for the day Gotham will no longer need Batman, he wants t have a normal life. He just can't.

 

[Maximus One]

But still you can relate to Bruce Wayne in more ways than just sacrifice

 

[Maximus One]

Hell I feel like i can relate to him just because the character seems so real in these movies

 

[Dotten]

Some people take the realism aspect in movies too literally. Don't forget, movies are fictions. So, nothing will always be "real" in the purest sense.

But, I understand what you're trying to say. There were certain scenes where I was going "how the hell can Batman do that?", for example, when Batman jumps on Scarecrow's van and the van gets smashed by the full force of his jump and weight, without breaking his legs and with no injuries. That's inhuman and unrealistic.

But, it's a movie. It's made to entertain.

And it was quite awesome.

In scenes that you describe Nolan took me totally by surprise. Except for Insomnia his movies has always been in the 7-8 scope. Very good, but not fantastic. Then he does this with TDK and it was heavy heaven. He totally took me by surprise. I was expecting a whining Bruce Wayne not knowing what to do and action that was too much grounded in reality. I got the opposite and i may have been drewling in the cinema. But don't tell anybody.

People worship the Joker after this movie and says he made the movie. For me it was Batman. Never has he been portrayed better and in a more awesome manner.

It's just my take on it, I know it's different then many others. But bear with it, embrace the differences.

 

[Mee]

Haha, oh man, here we go...

Bruce Wayne morals and ethics - unrealistic. No man alive can relate to that, thats what makes him a superhero. Cause he takes "overhuman" choices.

How are his morals unrealistic? Yes he has to make choices not a lot of people have to make, but that's the whole idea of Batman. An ordinary man, doing extraordinary things.

Batman in action - totally unrealistic. Like watching Spider-Man. What he does is so far out there, it really surprised me.

He never did anything close to what Spider-Man does.

Q, err, I mean Fox - The character is so fictionall and what he comes up with is in the James Bond universe.

Here, you have a point. The microwave emitter from BB, and the sonar thing this time around are pretty Bond-like. But hey, I won't panic till the Batmobile can turn invisible.

Two-Face - No one can live like that. So over the top if one wants realism (or the illusion of it)

I'm no doctor, and I'm guessing neither are you, but I'm pretty sure you can. Probably painful, and it could get infected and blah blah, but you could live.

Joker - Wicked evil, most unrealistic of all.

Haha, right. We live in a world full of rapists and child molesters and terrorists, so evil is totally unrealistic.

The story - It's like complicatet domino. A bit to well directed. It's totally madness (mostly due to the character of joker).

Too well directed? What does that even mean? The story was great.

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[sasquatchs]

The relatability aspect is overrated when it comes to Batman. So he doesn't have superpowers, big deal. The mindset of characters like Peter Parker or the X-Men is much more relevant if you want that kind of thing, powers as a parallel to puberty, responsibility, the balancing act of life and love etc. They tried to shoehorn some of that into Batman Begins and it wasn't particularly interesting. Realism has little connection to relatability, what it was mainly used for in Begins was replacing mystique with tedious practicalities that don't add much to the characters. It's nice when character's motivations make sense, but that's got little to do with emulating reality, you can do that with pure fantasy

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Joker - Wicked evil, most unrealistic of all.

Wow. You really lost me here. So you don't believe in the existence of serial killers, rapists and psychos?? I hate to break it to you, but there are plenty of "wicked, evil" nuts out there!

Ever hear of John Wayne Gacy or the theatrical Zodiac Killer??

John Wayne Gacy (March 17, 1942 – May 10, 1994) also known as The Killer Clown, was an American serial killer.

He was convicted and later executed for the rape and murder of 33 boys and young men between 1972 and his arrest in 1978, 27 of whom he buried in a crawl space under the floor of his house, while others were found in nearby rivers. He became notorious as the "Killer Clown" because of the many block parties he threw for his friends and neighbors, entertaining children in a clown suit and makeup, under the name of "Pogo the Clown." He was also in the Guinness Book of World Records for the longest sentence imposed on a mass murderer; he was given 21 consecutive life sentences and 12 death sentences.

The Zodiac Killer is a serial killer who operated in Northern California in the late 1960s. His identity remains unknown. The Zodiac coined his name in a series of taunting letters he sent to the press. His letters included four cryptograms (or ciphers), three of which have yet to be solved.

The Zodiac murdered five known victims in Benicia, Vallejo, Lake Berryessa, and San Francisco between December 1968 and October 1969. Four men and three women between the ages of 16 and 29 were targeted. Others have also been suspected to be Zodiac victims, albeit inconclusively. The lack of consensus about the number of victims, the inability of law enforcement to crack the ciphers, and the fact that several people have inconclusively been portrayed as "persons of interest" or possible suspects, has elicited this case's designation as a perfect crime.

In April 2004, the San Francisco Police Department marked the case "inactive", but reopened it some time before March 2007. The case remains open in other jurisdictions as well.


Ya know, there was a great show on the history channel that really delved into the comic book industry. At one point, some of the featured guests on the program began to discuss 911 and how various people could never imagine something like that happening prior to the awful tragedy, going on to say that it was not quite as baffling to comic book readers. I highly recommend you check it out on the History Channel.

 

[strikezone89]

wtf? what is this thread even still open for?
tdk was very realistic and the guys who opened this thread should go stand in a corner and think of what he just said

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

On a side note, noone ever said the film is entirely realistic. There are obvious stretches here, but you very well know that is mirrored in many (non comic book derived) films. Of course, comic to film adaptations always have to attract the most scrutiny because "they can never be taken seriously."

 

[Jorriss]

wtf? what is this thread even still open for?
tdk was very realistic and the guys who opened this thread should go stand in a corner and think of what he just said

This post is twice as worthless as the original post.

A very strong case can be made none of the film was realistic; the falls, the exploits, all the coincidence, the amount of corruption without government action, etc

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

wtf? what is this thread even still open for?
tdk was very realistic and the guys who opened this thread should go stand in a corner and think of what he just said

LOL

 

[maninthechair]

I think this discussion is focussing on different topics. Dotten is saying (I think) that the idea of a man dressing up as a bat and beating the crap out of bad guys while having a good relationship with the police is unrealistic. That I have to agree with but when people are saying he's someone they can relate to its not far fetched.
Bruce Wayne is someone that is trying to do the right thing even at his own personal sacrifice. He's a human being without superpowers. He feels isolated at times because of his choices. These are things that people can relate to. The great thing about Nolan's films are that he focusses so much about the human aspect (ex. the relationshipd in the movie), that we are so vested in the characters that we believe it is possible that he makes the decision to be a vigilante. Just my opinion.

 

[Dotten]

wtf? what is this thread even still open for?
tdk was very realistic and the guys who opened this thread should go stand in a corner and think of what he just said

I'm no sheep. You have no respect for freedom of speach. Go back to discussing with people who have the same opinion as you if it bothers you soo much :roll:

Too bad for you, but I hope other find room for some constructive discussion.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

This post is twice as worthless as the original post.

A very strong case can be made none of the film was realistic; the falls, the exploits, all the coincidence, the amount of corruption without government action, etc

It's not meant to be entirely realistic though. Nothing that comes out of Hollywood ever is! Have you ever seen Rescue Dawn with Christian Bale, which is supposedly based on a true story? If you look up the events that inspired the film you'll find that Rescue Dawn (the movie) is a complete farce - nothing went down the way it is described on film, but of course the studio involved with the whole movie making process had to spice things up and make the central character look like some kind of superhero.

 

[ernie1one]

i like it when people hide behind the 'freedom of speech' when telling other people that they can't tell someone to shutup. technically, by you telling someone to not tell you to shutup, aren't you, yourself, not respecting 'freedom of speech'?

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

TDK was realistic...I respect mr.superman returns avys opinion...but I dont see any of the things pointed out as "unrealistic"

 

[strikezone89]

I'm no sheep. You have no respect for freedom of speach. Go back to discussing with people who have the same opinion as you if it bothers you soo much :roll:

Too bad for you, but I hope other find room for some constructive discussion.

ur freedom of speach?
okay buddy before you post why dont u go brush up on ur vocabulary and learn how to spell elementary words

besides what did my orignal post how to do with speech? i just said go stand in a corner and think of what he just posted... why dont you read the post fully and TRY to understand what you just read before you go bash my reply

 

[Batman jr.]

The OP gave TDK a 10. So, why is he not satisfied?

A troubled life?