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How long has it been now?

Just over 2 months. Things have been getting a little bit better, although with finals week, her and I both have been swamped... both of us with finals and then you add performances that I've had to prepare for on top of that. I do think she could still put forth some more effort to make time, but I do understand that it is a legitimate reason, and since she's a super student, she doesn't take studying and preparation lightly.
 
I don't see you cheating, mainly because it's taken you a while to find this girl albeit not the ideal situation you were looking for and you haven't really mentioned being continually tempted by other girls on a regular basis.
 
I don't see you cheating, mainly because it's taken you a while to find this girl albeit not the ideal situation you were looking for and you haven't really mentioned being continually tempted by other girls on a regular basis.
Yup and yup. My bf didn't cheat when he could have, when I was sick or busy or hell, when we're living 300 miles away. When you really have something going with someone else, it'd be really stupid to throw that away.
 
Well here's a question - how long is too long?

I mean, I think it's great to give a girl time and not rush into anything too soon. But how long before you just have to say 'yeah, this simply isn't the kind of relationship i'm looking for if you're never going to feel comfortable enough with me to be intimate.'
 
It different for everyone and changes as you get older. I mean when you're in your late 20s, early 30s, personally, I think a month is acceptable.
 
It different for everyone and changes as you get older. I mean when you're in your late 20s, early 30s, personally, I think a month is acceptable.
Still ultimately took us three after we become official. :o

But we only saw each other over the weekends and had been working towards it for about a month anyway. :oldrazz:

And again, he hadn't ever dated anyone else nearly as suitable for him personality-wise so he was willing to wait. It just comes down to that - how long are you wiling to wait for this person? Is s/he really special and you feel like you'd lose out on a lot if you let them go because of the lack of physical intimacy, especially when you think that they'd just need to get more comfortable?
 
So a friend of mine seems convinced that I am going to end up cheating on my girlfriend... In fact, he almost seems to be hoping that I do. He's been going on about it for about a week or so now, and nothing that I say will seem to convince him otherwise.
Why? Have you said you would? Or have you been hanging around with other women? If not then I wouldn't worry about it. It actually takes some effort on your part to cheat.
 
It different for everyone and changes as you get older. I mean when you're in your late 20s, early 30s, personally, I think a month is acceptable.
Personally I think it entirely depends on the person. I'll date, make out with, and f*** someone who I have no plans to committ to (sorry) and I'm usually pretty up front about whether this is fun or serious.
 
So, I'm kind of mad at my boyfriend. He was just kind of a dick last night. It started when we bought a couple pizzas from Papa Murphy's for us, my mom, and my stepdad. My boyfriend kept saying he wanted to give my dog, Jessie, a slice. I told him no, that it was unhealthy to give that to a dog, but he wouldn't shut up about it. So I finally compromised and told him she could have a piece of pepperoni or something like that. And what does he do? Gives her half a slice. I mean, how disrespectful is that? He not only does something to my dog when I told him not to, but he laughs about it. And then poor Jessie had a stomachache the rest of the night. That's not such a big deal, but still, it was kind of rude.

Then we're watching The Vampire Diaries with my mother. He starts bagging on Twilight, like he always does. He knows my mother and I are fans and it upsets me when he does that, but he still does it all the time. So we started bickering about it. I started getting upset and asked him to drop the subject. But he didn't. I had to snap at him to make him stop. And then he started to argue with my mother and I over religion. It's like he wanted to bicker just to bicker.

Later we were playing Magic: The Gathering when a friend he hadn't heard from in a while called, wanting to go out and drink. I wasn't really in the mood to drink, and I told him so. He kept trying to talk me into going, but I really didn't want to. I tried to talk him into staying and just continuing to play Magic but he wouldn't listen. So finally I suggested he go with his friend without me. And he did. Not even one twinge of deliberation.

So all in all, I'm upset with him. Not enough to dump him, but still. My parents have left for the weekend and the plan was for him to stay with me during that time, but I'm considering telling him I've changed my mind and want to spend the weekend alone. Some of you may think I'm overreacting, but keep in mind that I cancel plans all the time with friends to spend time with him, if he says to not do something while I'm at his place I don't do it, I respect his interests and don't tease him about them if he asks me not to, and I respect that he's Agnostic/Atheist/Whatever and don't push religion on him.
 
So, I'm kind of mad at my boyfriend. He was just kind of a dick last night. It started when we bought a couple pizzas from Papa Murphy's for us, my mom, and my stepdad. My boyfriend kept saying he wanted to give my dog, Jessie, a slice. I told him no, that it was unhealthy to give that to a dog, but he wouldn't shut up about it. So I finally compromised and told him she could have a piece of pepperoni or something like that. And what does he do? Gives her half a slice. I mean, how disrespectful is that? He not only does something to my dog when I told him not to, but he laughs about it. And then poor Jessie had a stomachache the rest of the night. That's not such a big deal, but still, it was kind of rude.

Then we're watching The Vampire Diaries with my mother. He starts bagging on Twilight, like he always does. He knows my mother and I are fans and it upsets me when he does that, but he still does it all the time. So we started bickering about it. I started getting upset and asked him to drop the subject. But he didn't. I had to snap at him to make him stop. And then he started to argue with my mother and I over religion. It's like he wanted to bicker just to bicker.

Later we were playing Magic: The Gathering when a friend he hadn't heard from in a while called, wanting to go out and drink. I wasn't really in the mood to drink, and I told him so. He kept trying to talk me into going, but I really didn't want to. I tried to talk him into staying and just continuing to play Magic but he wouldn't listen. So finally I suggested he go with his friend without me. And he did. Not even one twinge of deliberation.

So all in all, I'm upset with him. Not enough to dump him, but still. My parents have left for the weekend and the plan was for him to stay with me during that time, but I'm considering telling him I've changed my mind and want to spend the weekend alone. Some of you may think I'm overreacting, but keep in mind that I cancel plans all the time with friends to spend time with him, if he says to not do something while I'm at his place I don't do it, I respect his interests and don't tease him about them if he asks me not to, and I respect that he's Agnostic/Atheist/Whatever and don't push religion on him.
Definitely sounds like a respect issue, or at the very least, lack of understanding on his part.

Some people take joking around way too far. I'm not the teasing type, I don't tolerate "Oh haha let's feed the dog half a slice of pizza isn't that hilarious haha you're upset" kind of jokes well. I take them VERY seriously. This I suppose I communicated enough to my bf when we were first dating by my :dry: face every time he tried to do something like that. When I tell you not to do something to my pet, I effin' mean it.

Some people find that stuff funny. Your bf presumably does, but he also needs to understand that you don't. It's not that I take things way too seriously, but dammit, it's my pet/family/health, I don't play around with those kinds of things. I suppose that's the same with you.

What's important is that when you communicate this to him, don't make it "his" fault, it's the two of you. He finds that stuff funny, it's not "wrong." But it will be something that he'll have to adjust to be with you happily. Say stuff like, "I feel disrespected when you do ______" and take it from there.

And if he laughs you off then, dump him. I know you worked hard to get him, but dammit, a relationship without mutual respect isn't something you want to stay in for too long, for your own emotional well-being.
 
Why? Have you said you would? Or have you been hanging around with other women? If not then I wouldn't worry about it. It actually takes some effort on your part to cheat.

No, it's been all him. I was hanging out with him about a week ago, and telling him about the relationship and such, and he started going off on how he expects that I'm going to cheat on her and all that. I'm like "No, I'm not a cheater, if I get to that point where I feel I need to cheat, then I'll break up with her." I chalked it up to him being drunk, until he brought it up again last night. This time, I was actually texting with another girl, albeit totally friendly (this girl is a friend of mine, and we were texting about how she was moving out of the dorm for the semester, and what her plans were for the summer and stuff, cuz I had mentioned how I had driven by the dorm on my way out of campus earlier that day and had seen her packing some boxes and stuff), and he was like "I knew it!" and again started going on about how I was gonna cheat, and what if this girl texted me asking me to come over tonight, what would I do, to which I said "I'd tell her I have a girlfriend", and of course he didn't buy that answer.

I mean, I can totally see this turning into something that is just not what I am looking for in a relationship, but when I actually sit down and think about it, I realize that I'm not there yet. But yesterday was a frustrating day of tons of people basically telling me the relationship was doomed in one way or another.
 
No, it's been all him. I was hanging out with him about a week ago, and telling him about the relationship and such, and he started going off on how he expects that I'm going to cheat on her and all that. I'm like "No, I'm not a cheater, if I get to that point where I feel I need to cheat, then I'll break up with her." I chalked it up to him being drunk, until he brought it up again last night. This time, I was actually texting with another girl, albeit totally friendly (this girl is a friend of mine, and we were texting about how she was moving out of the dorm for the semester, and what her plans were for the summer and stuff, cuz I had mentioned how I had driven by the dorm on my way out of campus earlier that day and had seen her packing some boxes and stuff), and he was like "I knew it!" and again started going on about how I was gonna cheat, and what if this girl texted me asking me to come over tonight, what would I do, to which I said "I'd tell her I have a girlfriend", and of course he didn't buy that answer.

I mean, I can totally see this turning into something that is just not what I am looking for in a relationship, but when I actually sit down and think about it, I realize that I'm not there yet. But yesterday was a frustrating day of tons of people basically telling me the relationship was doomed in one way or another.
LOL it's just something about your demeanor Nell, that just attracts the teasers. :oldrazz:
 
No, it's been all him. I was hanging out with him about a week ago, and telling him about the relationship and such, and he started going off on how he expects that I'm going to cheat on her and all that. I'm like "No, I'm not a cheater, if I get to that point where I feel I need to cheat, then I'll break up with her." I chalked it up to him being drunk, until he brought it up again last night. This time, I was actually texting with another girl, albeit totally friendly (this girl is a friend of mine, and we were texting about how she was moving out of the dorm for the semester, and what her plans were for the summer and stuff, cuz I had mentioned how I had driven by the dorm on my way out of campus earlier that day and had seen her packing some boxes and stuff), and he was like "I knew it!" and again started going on about how I was gonna cheat, and what if this girl texted me asking me to come over tonight, what would I do, to which I said "I'd tell her I have a girlfriend", and of course he didn't buy that answer.

I mean, I can totally see this turning into something that is just not what I am looking for in a relationship, but when I actually sit down and think about it, I realize that I'm not there yet. But yesterday was a frustrating day of tons of people basically telling me the relationship was doomed in one way or another.
Well, I'm guessing she didn't "text you later to come over", so like I said, I wouldn't worry about it. Are you in a sexless relationship? If you are I can understand why people might say "you're gonna cheat" especially if they'd like to see you get some, but it's not like cheating just happens. It's like any other relationship really. You need mutual attraction, and the guy will definitely have to make some of the moves. It's not a random occurance exactly.

Like I've said before in reference to SuperMike's advice; attraction isn't enough. There may be a dozen girls who double click their mouse to the thought of me, but unless they do something about it and I do something about it ain't happening. I'm dating someone now, but there are things I'm not crazy about, so I could theoretically have sex with someone else. Last night some girl who is a huge New England sports fan was hitting on me, and I've known for a while she's interested, but I'm not. When she reached out to what I assume get me to grind on her, I just kind of gave her a high five (it was awkward, mostly for her). I felt a little bad because she was sulking after that, I think she finally realized nothing would ever happen (she'd be even more pissed if she found out the one I am dating likes the Yankees :woot:).

As much as we talk about the myth of the nice guy around here, "Players" (people who would be prone to cheat) are as much about smoke and mirrors as they are about getting laid. A lot of them pad their stats by hooking up with a lot of women they personally don't find attractive. All my DJ friends are guilty of this. A lot of them (this is something I do unintentionally) will simply have a lot of female contacts, many they haven't or won't ever sleep with.

I think in a certain sense the frustrations of nice guys serve to magnify their "accomplishments". Do they really get that many girls? Or if we honestly got a number would it be that much more impressive than their "beta" counterparts? I'm inclined to believe the latter. Yeah, sure, I've bragged about some sh** on here, but in the inbetween my life can be as patently mundane as anyone's.

If you were some high profile celebrity, given your situation, there might be a problem. Because in the end it's all about exposure, and so a celebrity will always have someone who is attracted to them because everyone who could hypothetically be interested can see them.

Accidents happen, but you can't fall out a ten story building from the lobby. If you asked a girl "how's the move going" it probably won't be taken by her as an invitation to f***. In fact I assume, as you found, she'll just answer the questions you ask. You'll need to put yourself in an environment to cheat, and from your response it seems you have no intention of doing so.
 
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Nah, I'm not worried that I am gonna cheat, it's just kind of funny how adamant he is that I am going to. To answer your question, yea I'm in a sexless relationship, and I'm not sure if that's going to change or not. She's told me she wants to wait until marriage, I've told her that I don't. She's told me the reason why she wants to wait, it's not a morality thing like it's wrong to have sex before marriage, but because she had felt uncomfortable with the physical element of her past relationship. She said it wasn't like an abusive thing or anything like that, she just always wondered to herself if she was doing the "right" thing or not...

Soo... we've talked about it, she's been receptive to having the conversation and seemed to respond well to everything I've said, and she seems to be kinda trying, even if only a little bit, but I'm still not certain how far she's willing to go and how much she's willing to change. Thus, I am fully aware that this may be a relationship that isn't going to give me everything that I'm looking for - and I'm not just talking about sex, but her general lack of intimacy period. I'm still trying to figure out if this is a work in progress, or just how she is and not gonna change.

But because of that, my friend swears that I'm gonna cheat, and I have a few other people yesterday, when I wasn't even talking about my girlfriend, bring her up and tell me that we're already doomed because of her lack of intimacy and such. I'm not worried that I'm gonna do it just cuz they said I will be, but it was a frustrating day having everyone tell me that stuff out of nowhere.
 
Nah, I'm not worried that I am gonna cheat, it's just kind of funny how adamant he is that I am going to. To answer your question, yea I'm in a sexless relationship, and I'm not sure if that's going to change or not. She's told me she wants to wait until marriage, I've told her that I don't. She's told me the reason why she wants to wait, it's not a morality thing like it's wrong to have sex before marriage, but because she had felt uncomfortable with the physical element of her past relationship. She said it wasn't like an abusive thing or anything like that, she just always wondered to herself if she was doing the "right" thing or not...

Soo... we've talked about it, she's been receptive to having the conversation and seemed to respond well to everything I've said, and she seems to be kinda trying, even if only a little bit, but I'm still not certain how far she's willing to go and how much she's willing to change. Thus, I am fully aware that this may be a relationship that isn't going to give me everything that I'm looking for - and I'm not just talking about sex, but her general lack of intimacy period. I'm still trying to figure out if this is a work in progress, or just how she is and not gonna change.

But because of that, my friend swears that I'm gonna cheat, and I have a few other people yesterday, when I wasn't even talking about my girlfriend, bring her up and tell me that we're already doomed because of her lack of intimacy and such. I'm not worried that I'm gonna do it just cuz they said I will be, but it was a frustrating day having everyone tell me that stuff out of nowhere.

First of all, what I'm about to say is possibly applicable to you now, but I would hazard to say it *might* be too late. Because you are aware of her morals on sex you can't act indignified if this doesn't work, which unfortunately is usually how you'd play it under other circumstances. You have talked however, and you're best bet may be to continue to talk it out because that may be the corner you'll find yourself in.

Hoo-boy! So obviously you know I'm prone to be a bit sexually aggressive, and I fully admit I am. Usually I go about it one of two ways, I either try to go for casual intimacy like arm around her, maybe a little kissing or making out later on, and then just take her back somewhere private. Generally when I go about it that way I can get far enough to make sex a very real possibility. So if I don't get sex I try to at least get a few clothes off so she'll be comfortable the next time doing the same thing. Or the other way is if she bites on some sexual comment or starts talking about sex herself then I'll ask her if she wants to. With the former it's all about making so saying no to the next thing is almost kind of unnecessary because you're already 90% of the way there anyways.

Problem for you is that kind of aggression and passion is going to be coming from a person who, unlike someone else, can't simply start unbuckling her belt like he doesn't already know. You guys have talked about it a lot! You can't play coy, or dumb, or confident, or indignant when she says no because it won't be a surprise.

You can have as many morals as you want, but no matter what you can't control how that ultimately makes you feel. Plenty of girls take chastity vows only to be quite satisfied when they break them. The only way you'll convince her to do that is if you make what physical contact you can have fun. I'm sure she's quite awkward, but honestly an unawkward person, in my opinion, overpowers the awkward one.

Part of the problem probably is her anxiety about physical intimacy is making you anxious. In order for her to relax you have to relax even when she isn't. You may even, I dunno, like try some game like Twister (I know it sounds corny) so you'll get more comfortable around each other's bodies. Or maybe just like say like "let's spoon and watch a movie". Make it structured if it need be.

Personally I think spontaniety works 100% of the time.

Also, I think people like yourself often mis cues. I know that sounds cliche' but I think really it comes from a misunderstanding of what a "cue" is. To this day I'll often get caught up in what someone's saying and ignore what they're doing. Saying and doing happen concurrently. This is why I think so many notorious womanizers will say things like "man, I never hear what she says, it's always blah blah blah" to their guy friends. It's because what they're really saying is "my brain is focused on what she does and how she behaves, I consider what comes out of her mouth to be secondary". Honestly, what people say changes by the minute. Jon Stewart made a career because of this. What they do though is habit. Habit is important.

The girl I'm currently dating came inside after our date. So we were sitting there on my couch with my arm around her, and it's getting past 9:30. We're not talking about making out, she's not making references to wanting sex, but she's still here when she has work tomorrow. If she wanted nothing she would simply leave, because work is money, and so she must be hoping something pretty bold happens in the next ten minutes or there is simply no reason at risking showing up late to a very early job. So that's what a cue is.

See every woman wants sex, doesn't matter what chastity vow they've taken, if they're around sexually active males the odds of keeping it are slim (statistically this is damn true). There is a time in the day when she wants it and just can't help that urge. The good news for you is you're already her boyfriend so if she gives it up she's giving it to you. You don't have to worry about whether she finds you sexually attractive -- she does or she wouldn't be your girlfriend.

So if you can get her to just have some casual intimacy and you see a change in her behavior, then you'll know she may want more. You're trying to make her reason her way out of this, and I just think ultimately that's spinning your wheels. Because the more you bring that scruple to the forefront of her mind the more stubborn she'll become about it. I find her beliefs amusing and strange, but ironically I bet her phobia of intimacy (or whatever) probably stems from her knowing that even a little intimacy may be enough to make her break that belief.
 
Nah, I'm not worried that I am gonna cheat, it's just kind of funny how adamant he is that I am going to. To answer your question, yea I'm in a sexless relationship, and I'm not sure if that's going to change or not. She's told me she wants to wait until marriage, I've told her that I don't. She's told me the reason why she wants to wait, it's not a morality thing like it's wrong to have sex before marriage, but because she had felt uncomfortable with the physical element of her past relationship. She said it wasn't like an abusive thing or anything like that, she just always wondered to herself if she was doing the "right" thing or not...

Soo... we've talked about it, she's been receptive to having the conversation and seemed to respond well to everything I've said, and she seems to be kinda trying, even if only a little bit, but I'm still not certain how far she's willing to go and how much she's willing to change. Thus, I am fully aware that this may be a relationship that isn't going to give me everything that I'm looking for - and I'm not just talking about sex, but her general lack of intimacy period. I'm still trying to figure out if this is a work in progress, or just how she is and not gonna change.

But because of that, my friend swears that I'm gonna cheat, and I have a few other people yesterday, when I wasn't even talking about my girlfriend, bring her up and tell me that we're already doomed because of her lack of intimacy and such. I'm not worried that I'm gonna do it just cuz they said I will be, but it was a frustrating day having everyone tell me that stuff out of nowhere.
This is coming from someone who lost her virginity at 25, although I had no qualms about having sex before marriage, just had an issue with finding someone I felt comfortable with and could trust....but if not for religious issues, I'm not entirely sure what the reasoning is for being afraid that it isn't the "right" thing.

Doing it too soon with someone you aren't comfortable with, I can see that. That's what I was trying to avoid by waiting so long. I wanted to know that it was something I could talk though and verbalize. Some people even wish they'd waited until they were with "The One" but hindsight is always 20/20 and it just isn't realistic to have that expectation.

But simply worrying that it isn't "the right thing" and not of pregnancy IMO screams of either overbearing parents (my parents would have been upset if I'd had sex in high school, but by the time I hit my 20's it was like, "Eh, she's old enough." :funny: ) or deep-seated religious fears.
 
If anything, I would guess the former. She told me that when she first got with her ex boyfriend, and she made out with him the first time, it was the first time she had ever made out with anyone before, and her words to me were that after, she "didn't feel like herself" after she had done it. She couldn't really explain to me how she felt that way, just that was how she felt. She also said later that she doesn't like making out because "I'm not good at it", as were her words.

I told her later in the conversation that I feel she puts way too much pressure on physicality, and sexuality and stuff so she fears doing it because it won't be what she's built it up in her head to be. She didn't disagree with me when I said that. She basically seems to distance herself from any and all romance and intimacy because she always talks about examples of her friends in high school getting all overly lovey dovey about their boyfriends of 3 days, or stuff like that, and she doesn't want to be like that, so instead of finding a happy moderation, she seems to just distance herself from it altogether.

While not a religious background, she does come from a very strict conservative background, one where whenever I do talk in a sexual way about her, she makes remarks like "I can already hear my dad loading the shotgun", or "that's the kind of talk that will have my sister coming after you". Which frustrates me, because when she starts talking like that, I feel like I'm in some high school relationship, and not an adult relationship, and that's where I start to wonder if she's who I want to be with.

There's also the fact that we can go a week at a time without seeing each other, or even so much as having any kind of meaningful communication with each other, which doesn't get me distraught or anything, but she doesn't get why I feel it's important to see her more. She always talks about how her father was military and was gone for 6 months to a year at a time, or her friends live in other parts of the world as her, or how her sister lives in another state, and how her relationships just aren't around, so being apart doesn't bother her, so she doesn't understand why I begin to get frustrated when I don't see or hear from her for a week at a time.

I mean, I can honestly say that right now, at this point in time, I can honestly look at it and say that no, I don't want to end things right now, but I also don't want to continue with the way things are going. I don't want to feel like I'm in a high school relationship where touching is a "no no", and I don't want to be in a relationship where honestly, I don't really feel like that much of a priority to her. I bring up how I want to see and talk to her more than once a week, or I'd like her to actually take initiative to call or text me, or how I'm not looking forward to her leaving for a month over the summer, and she responds by asking if I have some weird co-dependency thing, and I say no, it's not co-dependency, it's the fact that you're my girlfriend and I want to see you more than once a week.

Summer is coming up, our schedules are clearing, so I'm going to give it a little bit more time to see how things change, but I don't know if I'm so certain that it will.
 
I can safely say I'd put up with that for about two minutes. If you like her more power to you. Definitely not something I could take.
 
Summer is coming up, our schedules are clearing, so I'm going to give it a little bit more time to see how things change, but I don't know if I'm so certain that it will.

Good luck. There's nothing wrong with how you're feeling. Intimacy should be an important part of any relationship. But, if she doesn't even want to make out? I hope you 2 can work things out. Hopefully she can grow out of this.
 
Thanks.

Like I said, my hope comes from the fact that... even if slowly, she is attempting to give more in the physical department. Since we've had our talks, she has slightly opened up more physically. Our kisses are better, and she has let me get away with slightly more physical behavior. It may be slow, but there has been improvement there. If we can start spending more time together, then I'm hoping that improvement can continue, and as long as it does, then I'll be happy. I even told her, moving slow is one thing, but things still need to move. Stagnation is not okay.
 
It doesn't sound like what you want. It sounds like you think this is what you can get, and are settling for what she's willing to give you.

Do you really like or love this girl? Or are you just trying to make it work...to make it work?

I'd honestly be less surprised if she cheated on you because someone is a bit pushier with her. That's how these types of inexperienced repressed sexualities often play out.
 
Maybe one of you can shed some light on something I find quite disturbing and most likely born out of jealousy and/or a lack of mental maturation. You see, I have been involved in situations where it has been implied that men I have crushes on are gay. Well, I decided to list each type of orientation I could think of pertaining to a crush and what my thoughts are.

1. Heterosexual - Of course this is the choice I'd prefer the man being because since I'm a girl I'm obviously looking for a Hetero man.

2. Bisexual - Yes, that means he'd be interested in other guys, but I still have a chance at procuring a relationship with him, I'll just have extra competition not just from my own gender but the other as well. It's a harder level of keeping the man attracted to me by utilizing my sparkling personality, but he'd still be attracted to my femininity.

3. Gay - Hey, I'm a big girl. If the man in question is honest with me about being gay and doesn't lead me on I'm cool with that. I mean why should I love him any less just because he's only attracted to other men? Just because I know he's gay doesn't mean I wouldn't want to still hang out with him despite having Christian beliefs.

Anyways, the only reason I can think of that one person would lob the Gay connotation in a negative light would be stemming from their own low self esteem and a lack of pride in their self images. Also I've been thinking that maybe because of possessiveness and competitiveness all men seem to exhibit when they are interested in a woman along with other men, they tend to set up the other guy to look like he's inaccessible because of implying that his sexual orientation is something else entirely. I would even go so far as to say that maybe a gay guy would openly be flirtatious with a straight man they fancy to scare the straight girls off. (You know, that doesn't work with me though because I'm strange and that stuff actually turns me on more.) But like I said, as long as the guy is completely honest with me about his preference, I'm just cool with it. You see I just don't take other's words at face value and like to base my judgments on my own personal experience.
 
Well here's a question - how long is too long?

I mean, I think it's great to give a girl time and not rush into anything too soon. But how long before you just have to say 'yeah, this simply isn't the kind of relationship i'm looking for if you're never going to feel comfortable enough with me to be intimate.'

20 minutes.

Samuel L. Jackson can't wait.
 
If anything, I would guess the former. She told me that when she first got with her ex boyfriend, and she made out with him the first time, it was the first time she had ever made out with anyone before, and her words to me were that after, she "didn't feel like herself" after she had done it. She couldn't really explain to me how she felt that way, just that was how she felt. She also said later that she doesn't like making out because "I'm not good at it", as were her words.

I told her later in the conversation that I feel she puts way too much pressure on physicality, and sexuality and stuff so she fears doing it because it won't be what she's built it up in her head to be. She didn't disagree with me when I said that. She basically seems to distance herself from any and all romance and intimacy because she always talks about examples of her friends in high school getting all overly lovey dovey about their boyfriends of 3 days, or stuff like that, and she doesn't want to be like that, so instead of finding a happy moderation, she seems to just distance herself from it altogether.

While not a religious background, she does come from a very strict conservative background, one where whenever I do talk in a sexual way about her, she makes remarks like "I can already hear my dad loading the shotgun", or "that's the kind of talk that will have my sister coming after you". Which frustrates me, because when she starts talking like that, I feel like I'm in some high school relationship, and not an adult relationship, and that's where I start to wonder if she's who I want to be with.

There's also the fact that we can go a week at a time without seeing each other, or even so much as having any kind of meaningful communication with each other, which doesn't get me distraught or anything, but she doesn't get why I feel it's important to see her more. She always talks about how her father was military and was gone for 6 months to a year at a time, or her friends live in other parts of the world as her, or how her sister lives in another state, and how her relationships just aren't around, so being apart doesn't bother her, so she doesn't understand why I begin to get frustrated when I don't see or hear from her for a week at a time.

I mean, I can honestly say that right now, at this point in time, I can honestly look at it and say that no, I don't want to end things right now, but I also don't want to continue with the way things are going. I don't want to feel like I'm in a high school relationship where touching is a "no no", and I don't want to be in a relationship where honestly, I don't really feel like that much of a priority to her. I bring up how I want to see and talk to her more than once a week, or I'd like her to actually take initiative to call or text me, or how I'm not looking forward to her leaving for a month over the summer, and she responds by asking if I have some weird co-dependency thing, and I say no, it's not co-dependency, it's the fact that you're my girlfriend and I want to see you more than once a week.

Summer is coming up, our schedules are clearing, so I'm going to give it a little bit more time to see how things change, but I don't know if I'm so certain that it will.
I'll have to give the same kind of advice I gave Angel_Faerie - this girl just doesn't understand how important it is to you that you talk more than once a week. She's guilt-tripping you of being in the wrong, when it's not "wrong," it's just what you prefer. My parents are apart for months and sometimes won't talk for weeks, it's how they work. I only email my bf maybe once a day when we're apart. It's usually to send him silly things I think he'd appreciate, and sometimes he won't reply. And my boss calls his live-in girlfriend (sometimes it's vice versa) every day FROM WORK. :funny: Again, different strokes for different folks.

It's fine if she doesn't "get it," but she also has to understand that it's something that bothers you. If she knows that it bothers you, but chooses to disrespect you anyway by putting really overblown accusations on you, I'm afraid there's only one solution to that....:o

It's not that she's lacking in intimacy with you, but the fact that she's treating you like a stupid little kid who needs disciplining bothers me.
 
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