The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[Ace of Knaves]

The best joker is the one with no origin, his mystery is one of the best parts of his character, i wish they just leave it at multiple choice.

yea man i agree. i find it interesting to use my imagination as to who he was before and if he already was some ****ed up physco killer or he became this way like a victim or circumstance. i think the latter would weaken the character though. i like to think of him as a proffesional bank robber who had a bit too much passion for death and destruction which brought a lot of heat to his fellow crims, so they stitch him up n leave him for dead.

 

[TheBatman072]

If they HAD to give him an origin, I'd want the origin from Batman: Black and White Vol. 2. "Case Study."

I love that one.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

whats that origin i aint read that one?

 

[TheBatman072]

whats that origin i aint read that one?

It portrays Joker as a calm, cool mob hitman. One of the best. Pretty much a criminal genius. Very secretive. Never used his real name. Always the first to arrive for a job, always the first to collect his pay and leave.

It's very cool. And it's drawn by Alex Ross.

 

[CaptainClown]

I don't like Joker as a hitman or any of that organized crime stuff. I like the Killing Joker, a little nobody who just snaps.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

sounds sweet. ye i could picture the joker like that but obviously with a actual passion for death

 

[TheBatman072]

sounds sweet. ye i could picture the joker like that but obviously with a actual passion for death

Joker set up the big mob kingpin at the time to kill the mob kingpin's girlfriend on accident.


Not only a passion for death, but a sense of humor as well.

 

[jgiant]

I got a question that i know i saw yesterday but can't find it, what gun is joker using in the street fight?

 

[TheBatman072]

I got a question that i know i saw yesterday but can't find it, what gun is joker using in the street fight?

Smith & Wesson M 76 submachine gun.

 

[Nepenthes]

similer to freddy kruger, if you didnt know he used to kidnap and rape children and cut them to ribbons you would fink hes just some crazy old burnt geezer who jus so happens to like stabbin people. but when you find out he done it to kids it deffinatly makes him more menacing and deffinatly leaves no room for sympathy.

Well that's just the thing isnt it? I can't really believe people when they say that ANY origin will automatically humanize him. And you could make it something really horrible like Freddy, and it would be nasty sure but it still needs to have some point. Depends if you feel like you want the Joker to make a little more sense. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.

The other thing is, does any body really feel sympathy for Jack in Lovers & Madmen? I don't. What about the devious prick in Dini and Ross' story? Likewise. All these stories do is make me appreciate a depth of character, that there's some kind of buried human soul that's driving this madness. He's not some straightforward demon or an empty vessel of chaos or something. I'm not so scared by abstract concepts like that but rather things that I can feel and know. Like I know that people built just like me and you can do really fcken horrible things; there's a darkness in us that we shy away from and that confounds us. Again I think of chimps beating their own babies against the sides of trees. They are really cruel bastards chimps, the things they do. And this is where we come from. Whatever makes chimps do that is still in us, and that's what the Joker is. I'm far more afraid of that unknown element than any injustice of the fates or randomness of misery or anything like that. Nothing is random we do everything ourselves. So Joker should fundamentally BE a human character,yet representing that part of us we simply cannot explain or justify and don't even want to think about.

 

[Crook]

Bravo, good man. Bravo.

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

I agree definitely with the post two above me. Thats why even though I love the Killing Joke from a story perspective it kinda lessens the scare factor the original Joker had (from my readings of his first stint in the comics from issues 1-12). Fear of the unknown is stronger than any other fear. A guy that is essentially made up of the same parts we are but has a complete disregard for human life is spookier when theres nothing that has happened to the character to make him this way. The assumption that he just does it cause he finds it "funny" is much more WTF and terrifying. Its why I like the character so much.

 

[Slick]

Has anybody seen the new tv spot. Heaths laugh is so spot on and chilling.

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

His laugh makes me laugh lol. The whole performance makes me laugh, because its so spot on Joker and for some reason I've always found the character so comical and entertaining. Ignoring the fact that he kills people ALL THE TIME.

 

[Kaizer]

Is that the Joker descending into the Batcave at the end of the tv-spot?

 

[Batz]

the new tv spot just makes me even more confident heath's joker will pwn, one of my only concerns was that there wasnt alot of footage of the joker being a childish joker basically, but in 29 seconds we get two quintisentual joker moments, excellent!

 

[The Battousai]

Is that the Joker descending into the Batcave at the end of the tv-spot?

Looks like Alfred holding a newspaper in one hand and some kind of container in the other.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

oooooooooooo very poor choice of words!! whooohahahahahaha!!! fooking awesome just fooking awesome!!!! that must quash any doubts about heaths joker!!

 

[ArkhamAsylum]

i love that half snort when he says that...brilliant!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

where is the tv spot #7? ive tried youtube but it comes up wiv aload of fan made ****

 

[Gianakin_]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15102271&postcount=1315

 

[Kaizer]

Looks like Alfred holding a newspaper in one hand and some kind of container in the other.

hope you're right

 

[Conebone69]

Hope joker actually makes "funny" comments that make you laugh and not just something random to make joker say cuz hes the joker

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think that line he says as he throws rachel off the roof is well funny, maybe more to do with the way heath delivers it but its quality none the less. also i like last line " i looove this job" while hes bouncing around in the rig

 

[The Battousai]