The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[LiveWire777]

Any one else see the reports that the Heath Joker figure, has sold out in New York area toys r us. Pretty crazy

Ya apparantly its about 50 buks on eBay, thats what i heard on the radio today.

 

[Starbird]

Sad part is, it's probably not kids going to the Toys R Us..

 

[LiveWire777]

Sad part is, it's probably not kids going to the Toys R Us..

lmao

 

[ronny]

Sad part is, it's probably not kids going to the Toys R Us..

Unfortunately that is probably true.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

That's just not the Joker, though.

He's the last villain that would ever be an "unseen" force. That's his livelihood - being seen.

I do agree to an extent. His style is definitely to be seen, to be heard, and so forth. But I think that it could be one of those "unseen" entities where you catch a glimpse of him but he's not shown in full force, you know? He can be one of those underground mob individuals who is causing mass terror in Gotham and Batman just can't seem to catch him.

I know it most likely wouldn't work that way because people would want to see him and they could get tired of him being "unseen" really quick.

 

[The Joker]

He's just simply amazing..I think that's the reason why we need him.

Seriously, not any reason I could think of.

Exactly. The only reason most people want to see him is because they like him.

From a story perspective, a perfectly good script can be done for the third movie which does not feature the Joker. And bring new villains on screen.

 

[Leenie]

Sad part is, it's probably not kids going to the Toys R Us..

This made me laugh. t:

 

[Starbird]

Great Post. I Agree 100%

I REALLY want The Joker to return in the third film. But the more I think about it, the more I realise that I want this for selfish reasons.

The Joker is my favourite comic book character, so of course I want to see him in another movie. But when I think about it objectively, I fear that recasting Joker just to bring him back - and then trying to twist things around to fit him into the third film's narrative - could bring into action the law of diminishing returns. If this Joker is not going to match Heath Ledger's portrayal, isn't it better to let The Joker's role in "The Dark Knight" stand on its own merits?

It's not even an issue of "Oh no Heath Ledger's dead recasting him is sacrilege!" If his story wasn't complete, and they NEEDED a new Joker, I'd absolutely support it. But if they're just bringing him back because he's popular....eh, it's risky. Hannibal Lecter was great in "Silence of the Lambs". "Hannibal", not so much. Darth Vader was great in the original "Star Wars" trilogy. The prequels, not so much. Jack Sparrow was great in "Pirates of the Caribbean". The sequels, not so much. Maybe it's best if The Joker doesn't join that list?

Also, in terms of the franchise in general, perhaps its better if The Joker isn't around. It seems like The Joker's entrance in "The Dark Knight" will make that film a radically different beast from "Batman Begins". Similarly, introducing a new antagonist could help brand the third film with its own individual identity. And then we get the sense of each film in the trilogy being excellent on stand-alone merits, rather than 3 being too close a follow-up from 2.

 

[Starbird]

Out of Curiosity, what villians are you hoping to see if Nolan Does more than 3 Movies? Other than Scarecrow, Joker and Two-Face.

Exactly. The only reason most people want to see him is because they like him.

From a story perspective, a perfectly good script can be done for the third movie which does not feature the Joker. And bring new villains on screen.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't see Nolan doing more than 3 Batman films. I think the third film will be a closer to the trilogy and hope that he can break the dreaded trilogy curse.

As for villains? I'd love to see The Riddler, Bane(done correctly this time), and The Penquin in a future film.

 

[Starbird]

I think The Riddler would be a great character.

Seeing how Nolan took the path of a psychotic Joker, The Riddler could easily be ANOTHER epic...or NOLAN character.

But as you said, Nolan probably won't make more than 3 films, so I'll stick with the Joker.

 

[The Joker]

Out of Curiosity, what villians are you hoping to see if Nolan Does more than 3 Movies? Other than Scarecrow, Joker and Two-Face.

The Penguin, Riddler, Black Mask, and maybe Catwoman.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

One poster talked about the Riddler and he asked the question "Can you imagine the viral advertisements Nolan would come up with for The Riddler?"

 

[Starbird]

Yeah, I was thinking the Same thing...it would be chaos, because I know Nolan would Challenge us with the Riddles he would make.

One poster talked about the Riddler and he asked the question "Can you imagine the viral advertisements Nolan would come up with for The Riddler?"

 

[DSET]

for film three
there is a possibility of catwoman but as others said
hardly anyone takes female superheroes seriously, yet you never know she could be handled well

my best guess is that we get an intense two-face story and a new or continued love intrest for harvey
and this is mixed with an intense Mob story, more of a personal mob story as in TLH.
Which means if there is going to be a third villain in part 3 it likely equals the penguin or maroni or some1 along thoose lines.

Other than that I would love to see riddler and two face in the third and they did the whole holiday killer and or a HUSH type story, where there is a killer going around and its a mystery who it is.

if they bring the joker back
I hope they hint at him in the third
and then if there is a fourth and they need him back, then get a replacement after all that time it should work out.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I have had the image of the Iceberg Lounge becoming a central location in the third film, with The Penguin serving as the third film's crime boss figure. And perhaps Riddler could serve as Penguin's "consigliere".

 

[JokerLedger]

How?

To me, seeing her in this universe of Batman (Nolan's), would have nothing to do in the story.

Saying something like that is like saying that the Joker and Harvey Dent/Two-face has nothing to do with Nolan's story based on the events of Batman Begins. With each movie comes a new story... and with new story comes new characters.

 

[DSET]

I have had the image of the Iceberg Lounge becoming a central location in the third film, with The Penguin serving as the third film's crime boss figure. And perhaps Riddler could serve as Penguin's "consigliere".

that would be sick!!!

Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin: OH baby!!

Hyde pierce as the riddler or screw that, bring back carrey...
seriously hes a good actor and judging by the fact that he was the only thing good that came out of that ****ty script and poorly directed movie tells me that he could do a good performance on this character even in the nolanverse.


Does anyone think Ra's and two face might work??
I have no idea how that will play it and that is a big possibility for part3 as well

 

[Starbird]

Hmm...never thought of that.. but I've never been interested in the Penguin's character..

I have had the image of the Iceberg Lounge becoming a central location in the third film, with The Penguin serving as the third film's crime boss figure. And perhaps Riddler could serve as Penguin's "consigliere".

 

[Keyser Soze]

I think there is definitely a role for Selina Kyle in the third film, especially if the rumours are true about [BLACKOUT]Rachel dying[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Keyser Soze]

that would be sick!!!

Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin: OH baby!!

Hyde pierce as the riddler or screw that, bring back carrey...
seriously hes a good actor and judging by the fact that he was the only thing good that came out of that ****ty script and poorly directed movie tells me that he could do a good performance on this character even in the nolanverse.l

Something to consider for Riddler candidates. David Tennant has openly said if the Riddler returns to the films, he desperately wants to play him, as Riddler is his favourite Batman villain. Tennant's a pretty good actor, could be a decent choice.

Philip Seymour Hoffman would be genius casting for Penguin. I just don't know how likely it is for Nolan to use him. If he thinks beyond the top hat/umbrella weapons, and looks at his current incarnation as the sleazy casino owner surrounded by fine birds of the more human variety, I think he could find a place for him in his Batverse.

 

[Starbird]

I don't know much of the Riddler's Origin, except in Batman Forever when Carrey played him..

 

[Batman]

My real issue with bringing The Joker back is, naturally, the fact that Heath Ledger can't portray him again. Sure, there's a recast option, and that's fine and dandy... but this was a version of The Joker that Ledger put his heart into, and really helped make his own. This wasn't simply The Joker. It was Heath Ledger's Joker. And someone else playing that just doesn't seem right, not to mention the fact that if Joker were radically changed for the third film, it'd be ignoring the continuity of TDK... which, again, isn't great ground to tread.

Sure, The Joker is bigger than any actor. I get that. And I want The Joker to return in a future franchise. But the real question is, is the Nolanverse's Joker bigger than Ledger, the man who really made it his own?

 

[ActuallyRobin]

Sure, The Joker is bigger than any actor. I get that. And I want The Joker to return in a future franchise. But the real question is, is the Nolanverse's Joker bigger than Ledger, the man who really made it his own?

No, not in this case, Heath's transformation was so complete, I just can't imagine anyone else playing him. Besides, different actors playing the same character in the same continuity is tricky to pull off.

 

[DSET]

Something to consider for Riddler candidates. David Tennant has openly said if the Riddler returns to the films, he desperately wants to play him, as Riddler is his favourite Batman villain. Tennant's a pretty good actor, could be a decent choice.

Philip Seymour Hoffman would be genius casting for Penguin. I just don't know how likely it is for Nolan to use him. If he thinks beyond the top hat/umbrella weapons, and looks at his current incarnation as the sleazy casino owner surrounded by fine birds of the more human variety, I think he could find a place for him in his Batverse.

he was great in potter 4 which was actually the best one

he certainly looks the part too
I havent seen any his other stuff but he seems good
as long he can act hed be a perfect fit I thinl
and from what Ive seen hes pretty good, so that plus a passion for the character
should equal sucess