The New New Avengers

[storyteller]

How so? You have the New Avengers and now you have the Newer New Avengers.

I think the roster will make more sense when they drop all the secrets who is and isn't on the team. I think the first set was a "I am an avenger in general" and these next sets are "I am this kind of avenger". Basically they just doing the x-men for of the avengers.Astonishing, Uncanny, New Mutants, and Legacy...all the same damn team but with a different title(and don't you dare go all different roster on me).

 

[CConn]

The numbering reset just reminds me why I hate modern comics and its readers.

But aside from that, good stuff.

 

[RockSP]

The numbering reset just reminds me why I hate modern comics and its readers.

But aside from that, good stuff.

The readers made them renumber?

 

[CConn]

They reset numberings because comic book readers immediately buy anything with a #1 on it.

If we actually showed some damn sense, there'd be no reason to renumber titles constantly.

 

[masteryoda]

Yeah. Back in the day stores and readers were more likely to buy a comic with a high number count cause it was a mark of success and quality. The collector mentality changed all that.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Well, any thoughts of cutting back my books after Siege seems to have gone away...

Really? Two teams for Spidey now? The one who for years basically worked alone?

Well, honestly, when I saw New Avengers and they said it would be street level, it seemed like that would have been more Spidey's speed. So, the fact he's on it isn't a big surprise. The thing is he was already named on the main crew. Maybe the fact that Spidey is with the "big boys" means we will finally get to see him use his powers, as opposed to being schooled by joy riders like in BND. I'm also happy seeing him in a JRJR illustrated book!

OK, two Avenger titles, Amazing (3x/month), Peter Parker, Web, Spectacular Spider-Girl, I even saw an Astonishing Spider-Man/Wolverine... Marvel is really driving hard for my wallet.

Oh, the big surprise from Marvel? Every hero in MU will be on an Avengers sanctioned team!

 

[CConn]

Or maybe you can just stop buying every book Spider-Man is in?

Just a thought.

 

[Dread]

I'm really kind of confused now. I have no idea what New Avengers and Avengers' identities are going to be.

The "identity" is really meaningless to Marvel. If Marvel cared about that, we wouldn't have 3 X-MEN books, and have had 3 X-MEN books for years. We wouldn't have a second Spider-Man book after his previous 3 titles were merged into a weekly ASM. Marvel only cares about money, and while this isn't bad thing, it makes them look hypocritical and foolish when they, say, criticize DC's BLACKEST NIGHT promotion or mock their own renumberings with DEADPOOL #900, then turn around to release WOLVERINE #900 and expect it to be taken seriously.

Marvel obviously wants Bendis to write two Avengers titles. He has for years. Even when MIGHTY AVENGERS went to Dan Slott, he was writing DARK AVENGERS (and at least marginally involved with SECRET WARRIORS). The more honest thing, considering NEW AVENGERS is $3.99 anyway, would be to just have AVENGERS #1 and then keep the numbering for NEW AVENGERS. Then again, doing this "soft relaunch" of NA (basically just changing the numbering) is perhaps a quiet admission that jacking up the price a dollar had some long term effect on sales that pure revenue did not balance out, not even for what was once the top selling ongoing title in the market. It no longer is. GREEN LANTERN is right now, and often followed by BATMAN AND ROBIN.

It is a bit funny how something can be "new" when it has lasted 5 years and needs a fresh #1. But, Marvel has sometimes endorsed strategies that are almost beyond satire, they are so absurd.

I would guess that AVENGERS is the "fighting big threats" title and NEW AVENGERS is the "street level" title. Hence why Cage is on NEW AVENGERS, while THOR is on the AVENGERS proper. With Ed Brubaker's SECRET AVENGERS a lock, and a relaunch of Christos Gage's Avengers title, called "AVENGERS ACADEMY" at least existing as a months old rumor, I think we may be seeing the end of Dan Slott on an Avengers title. Unless, of course, he co-writes "AVENGERS ACADEMY" with Gage, which is certainly possible. The two of them tag-teamed on AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE for a year and Gage even helped out for a few issues of MIGHTY AVENGERS, even writing one issue solo. They work well together, so why not?

Don't fret, I would imagine we will see more "overlap" members besides Spider-Man.

"I take responsibility for my actions." Says the guy who had the devil annul his marriage.

What next? Wolverine going, "I take good care of my adopted daughters"?

 

[runawayboulder]

I'm not sure if I'm wording this right but I think Slott is a bit "above" co-writing anything at this point of his career. He deserves another major title outright to go with ASM. (which is 3x a month so he writes it, what....every other month?)

 

[Dread]

I'm not sure if I'm wording this right but I think Slott is a bit "above" co-writing anything at this point of his career. He deserves another major title outright to go with ASM. (which is 3x a month so he writes it, what....every other month?)

I agree, but who knows. It is up to him, assuming he hasn't secretly been assigned an Avengers title and we could have 5. I mean, that would be nuts, but I'm sure if you told someone in 2008 that we'd have about 4 Deadpool ongoings now, they'd say we were nuts.

The weekly format of ASM means that when it is any writer's turn, they basically have to have 3 full scripts ready so the artist can handle them as quickly as possible. I imagine those are periods of hectic work. Still, while Slott's MIGHTY AVENGERS lost readers, he's been holding steady on ASM, which is good.

If it were up to me I'd just give him a DAN SLOTT PRESENTS and let him write whatever he wanted, the problem is that retailers might not order it as they should.

 

[RockSP]

I don't think anyone is "above" co-writing. Johns and Bendis are Marvel and DC's current cash cows and they've both co-written books pretty recently.

DNA co-write the cosmic books and they are some of the best stuff Marvel's putting out.

 

[runawayboulder]

The weekly format of ASM means that when it is any writer's turn, they basically have to have 3 full scripts ready so the artist can handle them as quickly as possible. I imagine those are periods of hectic work.

I guess you gotta hand it to editor Steve Wacker for running a tight ship. You've got a 5 writer rotation that you have to match up with 5 different artists. The guy could easily be an MLB manager/pitching coach.

 

[Dread]

I don't think anyone is "above" co-writing. Johns and Bendis are Marvel and DC's current cash cows and they've both co-written books pretty recently.

DNA co-write the cosmic books and they are some of the best stuff Marvel's putting out.

Sadly, Abnett & Lanning are not real "cash cow" writers for Marvel right now. That said, I think WAR OF KINGS outsold expectations, which will help keep the space line safe. Joe Quesada personally stated 2010 having more focus on space stuff at the NYC screening of "PLANET HULK".

I was agreeing with the idea that Dan Slott deserves another title besides ASM, and if he is capable, should have one, whether an Avengers book or another volume of The Thing or whatnot (c'mon, it has been ages since I mentioned THE THING). That said, Slott and Gage work well together, and if "AVENGERS ACADEMY" is happening and the two of them were to work on that, it'd be cool.

Bendis even has co-written quite a few books in the last few years, such as THE ILLUMINATI with Brian Reed and SECRET WARRIORS with Johnathan Hickman; for the latter, Bendis has all but said that his name is mostly there to sell comics and Hickman runs most of that show.

I guess you gotta hand it to editor Steve Wacker for running a tight ship. You've got a 5 writer rotation that you have to match up with 5 different artists. The guy could easily be an MLB manager/pitching coach.

Yeah, I have heard that Wacker's feat of keeping ASM on schedule for so long and counting has been a "yeoman effort" thus far. Considering that work-load, though, it may be a while before another editor wants to make another weekly book.

Because, well, AVENGERS easily could be a weekly title. 2 weeks are Bendis, one is Brubaker, one is Gage and/or Slott. You can either buy them all, or only buy the issues of the creative team you want. It really wouldn't be a whole lot different than what is about to happen now, only with one title. Some have suggested the X-MEN books should have done that five years ago. But given that ASM's sales, while good, haven't been CIVIL WAR good and Steve Wacker almost has to clone himself to keep ASM going even at 3 issues a month, I don't think any other editorial teams are going to volunteer for another weekly title anytime soon.

(Although if the same editor is handling all of the Avengers books anyway, it really does seem silly to give them all separate titles, especially Bendis' books.)

Plus, DC running it into the ground with their last two weekly series doesn't help.

 

[Red]

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Seriously, I didn't approve of that story, but people stop bringing that up it was funny in 2007-early to mid 2008, but now it's just gotten old.

There is such a thing as wearing something thin. And since it's 2010 now. It's long since wore thin.

 

[kguillou]

I think it just goes to show you though how much that story stained Spider-man's character. It'll be a while before people forget bout OMD.

 

[Spider-Jay420]

People kinda forgot about Sins Past, but no one's forgetting OMD. It'll be around a looooong time and end up a joke like the Clone Saga.

 

[iloveclones]

The above doesn't bother me because people are upset about OMD. People have a funny way of being upset over whatever they want to be upset about (sit in traffic for a while...)

It's just not funny. Funny comes from unexpected. You could see that joke before the thread was even made. Try harder.

 

[CConn]

There's a difference between being upset about something and skull-****ing it into the ground.

 

[Optikal]

I've got to agree with CConn. You can go into the history of ANY character and find something obscenely stupid. Ragging the hell out of it doesn't change the past, it just gets boring. Where the character goes from now on is the most important part.

 

[iloveclones]

I'm tempted to ask what that difference is just to get some more wonderful graphic imagery.....

 

[Chewy]

 

[iloveclones]

Regardless of the raging controversy, who's doing the art in those promos, because I kinda like them.

 

[kguillou]

I'm pretty sure it's Immonen doing the promo art since its his book.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolverine's face looks really silly to me.