Ant-Man The Official Ant-Man News and Speculation Thread - Part 6

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Well that was all before the script changes. Michael Pena's role could've changed drastically, as noted in the EW article. Some characters were eliminated, combined, or changed by McKay and The Rudd-Man.

True.

I still like the idea of off one of Lang's convict buddies switching on him though

 

[Mask&Cape]

Yep agree with you on the x-men, 'ahhh this little girl can walk through walls kill her, wait whats that Thor conjuring up a massive thunderstorm with his god powers, YAAAYYYYYY Thor'

I know some people say well people are prejudice against certain people for seemingly no reason in real life. Well that's true but the X-men have literally everyone against them including large parts of the governments so much that things like the sentinals were made, whilst large parts of the population including the government celebrate superheroes.

All the x-men have to do is pretend they got their powers through experiments or accidents or are gods and they will be celebrated.

Yes, I understand the intent behind the prejudice against mutants angle, but it loses impact in a continuity where others heroes are loved and adored.

I'd like if Spider-Man was a part of the MCU too, however I love The Amazing Spider-Man movies. Not sure like where they are headed with the third one though with the Sinister Six equipment already built and to given to the various characters instead of created by them, but it is understandable because they have a limited scope to introduce the characters - and I'd rather have a Spidey Vs. Six movie than none over something so nerdy

I'm assuming the Sinister Six movie is intended fit in with the Amazing Spider-Man series.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't really think 'the slap' is necessary. Never really got the obsession with to be honest.

It's odd that other characters (such as Daredevil and Mr. Fantastic) have also had similar exaggerated slaps but haven't received any criticism. I can see two explanations:

One, Hank Pym is a less popular character. This is pretty plausible. After all, even if we took out the slap from that storyline entirely, he'd still come off looking pretty bad.

Alternatively, maybe people like Wasp a lot more than they do the Invisible Girl or Karen Page. So they're more upset she got hit.

 

[samsnee]

I wonder what Patrick Wilson's role would have been. I really hope this is a huge hit just because I love Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas so much. With names like Redford, Douglas, and possibly Pacino attached to these movies, it's really shown that comic book movie isn't really a taboo anymore.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I used to think Wilson was going to be young hank.

 

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I wonder what Patrick Wilson's role would have been. I really hope this is a huge hit just because I love Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas so much. With names like Redford, Douglas, and possibly Pacino attached to these movies, it's really shown that comic book movie isn't really a taboo anymore.

I think Patrick Wilson was going to play Crossfire but the character got written out of the Mckay and Rudd draft. Crossfire could of been head of security at Pym Tech/Cross Tech.

It's odd that other characters (such as Daredevil and Mr. Fantastic) have also had similar exaggerated slaps but haven't received any criticism. I can see two explanations:

One, Hank Pym is a less popular character. This is pretty plausible. After all, even if we took out the slap from that storyline entirely, he'd still come off looking pretty bad.

Alternatively, maybe people like Wasp a lot more than they do the Invisible Girl or Karen Page. So they're more upset she got hit.

Hank Pym is less popular but I think it has to do with Pym not really getting a strong solo run or really solid stories focusing on his character throughout his history so people fixated on that one plotline from 30 years ago.

Spider-Man slapped his wife but there are numerous great storylines featuring the character so people will overlook that incident.

Iron Man has been portrayed as a *****ebag numerous times throughout his history (not just in Civil War). Marvel even made Iron Man a murderous traitor in the god awful 90's Avengers story event The Crossing but later retconned it in Heroes Reborn after realizing it was a dumb idea.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I used to think Wilson was going to be young hank.

Hopefully they'll get him back for something else in the future. He's too good not to use imo

 

[Sexy Magician]

I still think the MCU Pym will have a hand in creating Ultron, all I've got to go off is the teaser, but something tells me Hank Pym has his own agenda, he just felt a bit shady to me. In the comics I always got the impression he was very single minded and a little arrogant, and no matter what others thought, he would do whatever HE thought was best. It would be natural for that nature of someone's personality to progress to something a little more 'unethical' with age. I'm not saying any of this has anything to do with him creating Ultron, just from the descriptions of both movies I have read, we know Tony Stark will activate the dormant Ultron in the MCU, but it specifically mentions it's found in the ruins of the Chitauri invasion and that he didn't create it. Seeing as how Ant-Man wraps up phase 2, I think it would be cool if in Age of Ultron, they never find out who created the Ultron program. Then in Ant-Man, maybe drop a few clues as to it's Pym, or maybe just flat out reveal it, maybe just a file in his underground lab thing labelled 'Ultron Imperative' or something could suffice. We know Edgar Wright left this movie because Marvel wanted it to have more connectivity to the MCU, if it was just a cameo or Easter egg I can't see that being enough to leave a movie he has worked on for years, it has to be something with more ramifications, my bet, Ultron.

 

[Dark Raven]

I still think the MCU Pym will have a hand in creating Ultron, all I've got to go off is the teaser, but something tells me Hank Pym has his own agenda, he just felt a bit shady to me. In the comics I always got the impression he was very single minded and a little arrogant, and no matter what others thought, he would do whatever HE thought was best. It would be natural for that nature of someone's personality to progress to something a little more 'unethical' with age. I'm not saying any of this has anything to do with him creating Ultron, just from the descriptions of both movies I have read, we know Tony Stark will activate the dormant Ultron in the MCU, but it specifically mentions it's found in the ruins of the Chitauri invasion and that he didn't create it. Seeing as how Ant-Man wraps up phase 2, I think it would be cool if in Age of Ultron, they never find out who created the Ultron program. Then in Ant-Man, maybe drop a few clues as to it's Pym, or maybe just flat out reveal it, maybe just a file in his underground lab thing labelled 'Ultron Imperative' or something could suffice. We know Edgar Wright left this movie because Marvel wanted it to have more connectivity to the MCU, if it was just a cameo or Easter egg I can't see that being enough to leave a movie he has worked on for years, it has to be something with more ramifications, my bet, Ultron.

But that describes Tony Stark as well, particularly during the Armor Wars, and probably in Civil War as well. I think you're reading too much into Pym.

 

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I still think the MCU Pym will have a hand in creating Ultron, all I've got to go off is the teaser, but something tells me Hank Pym has his own agenda, he just felt a bit shady to me. In the comics I always got the impression he was very single minded and a little arrogant, and no matter what others thought, he would do whatever HE thought was best. It would be natural for that nature of someone's personality to progress to something a little more 'unethical' with age. I'm not saying any of this has anything to do with him creating Ultron, just from the descriptions of both movies I have read, we know Tony Stark will activate the dormant Ultron in the MCU, but it specifically mentions it's found in the ruins of the Chitauri invasion and that he didn't create it. Seeing as how Ant-Man wraps up phase 2, I think it would be cool if in Age of Ultron, they never find out who created the Ultron program. Then in Ant-Man, maybe drop a few clues as to it's Pym, or maybe just flat out reveal it, maybe just a file in his underground lab thing labelled 'Ultron Imperative' or something could suffice. We know Edgar Wright left this movie because Marvel wanted it to have more connectivity to the MCU, if it was just a cameo or Easter egg I can't see that being enough to leave a movie he has worked on for years, it has to be something with more ramifications, my bet, Ultron.

If this movie were coming out before Ultron I could see it. But why have Hank have his first introduction in Avengers and not his own movie.

 

[Broseph44]

Hopefully they'll get him back for something else in the future. He's too good not to use imo

I agree, would love to see him in the MCU at some point down the road.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

If Marvel were reluctant to go full alcoholic with Tony Stark then there's no way they'd have any physical abuse. These are Disney movies, after all. I wouldn't want that aspect of Hank anyway. Just leave it alone to be forgotten in the past where it belongs.

But Disney movies have had things like alcohol abuse and infidelity.

 

[PyroChamber]

Do we even know when this movie takes place within the MCU timeline?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Do we even know when this movie takes place within the MCU timeline?

After or during Age of Ultron

 

[Broseph44]

Do we even know when this movie takes place within the MCU timeline?

Until someone makes an official statement we won't know until we see both this and AOU to figure out the answer to your question.

 

[Mask&Cape]

After or during Age of Ultron

Until someone makes an official statement we won't know until we see both this and AOU to figure out the answer to your question.

AndrewGilkison is correct - the teaser shows Pym watching Ultron on a several monitors - indicating that Ant-Man will be set during or after Avengers 2.

I'd wager it is some time after - being the first movie of Phase 3 - though there is no reason why the Phases can't overlap.

 

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AndrewGilkison is correct - the teaser shows Pym watching Ultron on a several monitors - indicating that Ant-Man will be set during or after Avengers 2.

I'd wager it is some time after - being the first movie of Phase 3 - though there is no reason why the Phases can't overlap.

That was a manip that someone did. Pym was really watching footage of Scott Lang getting arrested.

 

[Sexy Magician]

If this movie were coming out before Ultron I could see it. But why have Hank have his first introduction in Avengers and not his own movie.

You're missing my point, if you read my post properly rather that hastily quoting it, you'll realise I don't suggest Pym be introduced in AOU, I said it could be a mystery as to who created it, as of right now, we the public do not know who created it, my point is, leave it unanswered and because Ant-Man officially ends phase 2 it could explain that there that Pym created it back in the day or whatever. You have to remember, this Ant-Man movie is responsible for the entire MCU existing, the script for this movie has existed long before any other MCU movie, it was apparently that good the went ahead with their own movie production company and made the MCU a reality, this movie was always gonna happen way before Iron Man 1 was even green lit.
Plus I can't help but wonder what big storyline change Marvel wanted that made Edgar Wright depart this movie after he spent years of his life working on it, has to be something juicy for him to leave the project, a fellow Hero cameo or name drop isn't juicy enough for him to leave in my opinion. It has to be something that wasn't envisioned before the MCU started. Plus, Ant-Man is a bit of a slap in the face to his true fans, they've changed a lot from the source material, the fact Pym is in his 70's or whatever, no Janet e.t.c, to have an Ant-Man movie that has already deviated from the source material so much, to have that movie come out just 2 months after a movie with Ultron and not have them connected in any way but the shared universe would be a real stinker.

 

[Dark Raven]

AndrewGilkison is correct - the teaser shows Pym watching Ultron on a several monitors - indicating that Ant-Man will be set during or after Avengers 2.

I'd wager it is some time after - being the first movie of Phase 3 - though there is no reason why the Phases can't overlap.

Wrong. Pym was watching this:

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

AoS makes it really hard for the movies to be chronologically in another place of the MCU timeline

 

[eddy]

‘Ant-Man’ trailer attracts a giant-sized 29 million views



http://insidemovies.ew.com/2015/01/09/ant-man-trailer-marvel-paul-rudd/

Where do they get the counts for these views from? The Marvel trailer link doesn't have nearly that many and it doesn't look like any of the other uploads have alot either.

 

[BatsDC]

It's a combination of all of them

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Wrong. Pym was watching this:

Spoiler

Who can blame him? It's... hypnotic. I... I can't look away.

And I don't want to.

 

[Art Freak]

AndrewGilkison is correct - the teaser shows Pym watching Ultron on a several monitors - indicating that Ant-Man will be set during or after Avengers 2.

I'd wager it is some time after - being the first movie of Phase 3 - though there is no reason why the Phases can't overlap.

That was a manip.

And ANT-MAN is now the closing of Phase 2 not the beginning of Phase 3.

 

[Mike Murdock]

AoS makes it really hard for the movies to be chronologically in another place of the MCU timeline

Not really. It just can't have a direct connection to that movie. But it's proved already that it doesn't need to have a direct connection. Guardians of the Galaxy is connected to Agents of SHIELD without Chris Pratt showing up.

Now if Ant-Man has a major event Coulson's team should have responded to, that's different. But Marvel is pretty loose when it comes to "should have responded to" or else we're running into the "why was no one helping Tony in Iron Man 3" debate. If it takes place before SHIELD fell, another SHIELD team could be the ones involved. If it took place after that, maybe Coulson had enough to deal with without going there.

That being said, Kevin Feige seemed a little uneasy about a movie not going forward in time when recently asked (I forget in what context). My assumption is it takes place consecutively in the chronology unless shown otherwise.