The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 3

[Iceman]

It would've been the biggest HW fight made since Lewis/Rahman II. But all it was, was just talk from both camps. Klitschko saying he wanted the WBC belt and Wilder saying he wanted to unify. That's as far as it went.

Shame.

I'd still definitely want to see it but I think Wilder has missed his chance of a big payday and will never get the cred he might have got for being first to beat Klitschko in this era. Klitschko has already had his career and done what he needed to do but I don't know if there will be a whole lot of top guys for Wilder to fight once Klitschko has gone.

On a separate note this is probably a casual fan issue due to me not fully understanding some of the ways boxing works but I don't like how more than one title can change hands at once. I don't think a challenger should be able to go from no belts to undisputed or almost undisputed champion in one fight. And also the holder of multiple World titles that have been earned in individual bouts shouldn't sudddenly become title-less after losing once (should just lose one of the titles, whichever is being contested). Different if 2 champions meet of course.

 

[Silver Spider]

Shame.

I'd still definitely want to see it but I think Wilder has missed his chance of a big payday and will never get the cred he might have got for being first to beat Klitschko in this era. Klitschko has already had his career and done what he needed to do but I don't know if there will be a whole lot of top guys for Wilder to fight once Klitschko has gone.

Wilder's big fight in recent times has been Povetkin. Nobody thought that Deontay was going to be fighting Wlad anytime soon.

On a separate note this is probably a casual fan issue due to me not fully understanding some of the ways boxing works but I don't like how more than one title can change hands at once. I don't think a challenger should be able to go from no belts to undisputed or almost undisputed champion in one fight. And also the holder of multiple World titles that have been earned in individual bouts shouldn't sudddenly become title-less after losing once (should just lose one of the titles, whichever is being contested). Different if 2 champions meet of course.

I have to respectfully disagree; I think it's best when there are less belts floating around a division. If one fighter has earned the distinction of undisputed champion and you beat him, you take that title. Similar to winning the linear championship but with all the belts as well.

 

[Iceman]

Wilder's big fight in recent times has been Povetkin. Nobody thought that Deontay was going to be fighting Wlad anytime soon.

Oh ok. I may need to try and watch a copy of the Povetkin fight. Was it a good one? And I would have liked to see the different styles of Wilder and Klitschko going at it. Maybe it can still happen if Klitschko carries on for a bit longer.

I have to respectfully disagree; I think it's best when there are less belts floating around a division. If one fighter has earned the distinction of undisputed champion and you beat him, you take that title. Similar to winning the linear championship but with all the belts as well.

That's fine, didn't expect much agreement on that one. Was just trying to understand it. On the first point I would also prefer less championships and champions at any one time. Ideally would like just one champion and title at each weight. For me if one boxer individually wins 4 titles one after the other beating 4 other champions that achievement isn't emulated by another person just beating him once. It seems like an athlete winning the 100m Olympics and being given The World and European 100m titles too without having to contest them. Or a guy being awarded 2 wins on their record instead of one or a football team being awarded 2 World Cups when they win one. Trying to think of a good analogy to explain what I mean but not doing too well haha. I think yours is the common view in any case.

 

[Silver Spider]

Oh ok. I may need to try and watch a copy of the Povetkin fight. Was it a good one? And I would have liked to see the different styles of Wilder and Klitschko going at it. Maybe it can still happen if Klitschko carries on for a bit longer.

Wilder hasn't actually fought Povetkin, but that's the fight many have looking forward to being made. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. As of now, Wilder's best win by far is Stiverne.

That's fine, didn't expect much agreement on that one. Was just trying to understand it. On the first point I would also prefer less championships and champions at any one time. Ideally would like just one champion and title at each weight. For me if one boxer individually wins 4 titles one after the other beating 4 other champions that achievement isn't emulated by another person just beating him once. It seems like an athlete winning the 100m Olympics and being given The World and European 100m titles too without having to contest them. Or a guy being awarded 2 wins on their record instead of one or a football team being awarded 2 World Cups when they win one. Trying to think of a good analogy to explain what I mean but not doing too well haha. I think yours is the common view in any case.

I get what you're saying. I think the problem is that world title belts in boxing aren't as significant/respected as other titles in sports. There are plenty of undeserving "champions," in boxing; whereas in other sports, you typically earn titles by beating the best. The way I see it, the individual belts are just fragments of a unified title.

 

[Iceman]

Wilder hasn't actually fought Povetkin, but that's the fight many have looking forward to being made. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. As of now, Wilder's best win by far is Stiverne.

I get what you're saying. I think the problem is that world title belts in boxing aren't as significant/respected as other titles in sports. There are plenty of undeserving "champions," in boxing; whereas in other sports, you typically earn titles by beating the best. The way I see it, the individual belts are just fragments of a unified title.

Oh right. Ok hopefully that happens then. And yes saw the Stiverne fight.

Yeah that makes sense actually. You explained it well, thanks.

 

[Silver Spider]

No problem.

If you don't mind me asking, are people over in the UK excited about Frampton/Quigg coming up in February?

 

[STARMAN]

First round stoppage for Daniel Jacobs over Peter Quillen.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm not shocked at all. Quillen seemed overrated.

 

[Silver Spider]

Oh, come on. Aren't you a little shocked that he got stopped in the first round?

 

[Docker2.0]

Oh, come on. Aren't you a little shocked that he got stopped in the first round?

First round, yes. But honestly, in his last fight, quite possibly two, he got rocked and could have been stopped as well. That's how I knew his chin was really weak and he had no chance against GGG. I don't think Jacobs does either. They are straight forward fighters which is right up GGG alley.

 

[Silver Spider]

I'm with you on that; Qullin has looked vulnerable since the Rosado fight. I was still shocked that he got stopped in the first round. I thought Quillin had a decent chin going into this fight because I don't think there's any shame in getting knocked down by a right hook from Andy Lee. I never thought he was that hurt in his last fight, but he definitely got hit more than he should've.

Even though I was picking him, I thought Jacobs was the one that needed to protect his chin. I'm sorry but Sergio Mora shouldn't be dropping you and we saw what happened in the Pirog fight.

 

[Docker2.0]

The only reason I would have picked Quillen was if I wasn't sure in Jacobs, in which I wasn't. To me it was a 50/50 fight but neither guy is a monster IMHO. I honestly think someone like Lara who says he is going up in weight can steal the division because it's there for the taking.

 

[Silver Spider]

Trust me, I don't think anyone is accusing Quillin and Jacobs of being monsters. Honestly, 154-168 is looking depressing. Only a handful of quality fighters throughout the three divisions.

 

[STARMAN]

Each fighter had obvious flaws that made the fight a nice matchup even though it didn't last long.

 

[STARMAN]

A side-note but I believe the US Olympic boxing trials start today.

 

[Doc Samson]

I'm with you on that; Qullin has looked vulnerable since the Rosado fight. I was still shocked that he got stopped in the first round. I thought Quillin had a decent chin going into this fight because I don't think there's any shame in getting knocked down by a right hook from Andy Lee. I never thought he was that hurt in his last fight, but he definitely got hit more than he should've.

I personally felt the stoppage was a little quick. Easier said from the outside looking in of course, and he was looking glassy eyed for sure.

But I think a few more seconds (or any sort of count) to see if he could gather himself may have been ok. Then again, he didn't do a good job of trying to wrap up when he first got in trouble so maybe it was right on time...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My problem with the stoppage was the ref couldn't make up his mind. Made it all look messy imo.

 

[johnniewalk]

Mike Tyson is the person who shines he is a star forever

 

[Docker2.0]

I personally felt the stoppage was a little quick. Easier said from the outside looking in of course, and he was looking glassy eyed for sure.

But I think a few more seconds (or any sort of count) to see if he could gather himself may have been ok. Then again, he didn't do a good job of trying to wrap up when he first got in trouble so maybe it was right on time...

I did to at first but if you look at the replay, Peter's legs were straight jelly. He clearly couldn't go on and there was to much time in the round to be saved by the bell. It was the right call to me.

 

[Silver Spider]

I was fine with the stoppage. A quick knockout like that always seems lackluster to me and usually my first instinct is to think it was stopped too early. In this case, Quillin was gone and he didn't know how to survive. He should've held on or taken a knee to gather himself.

 

[Fallen Angel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606

IBF have stripped Tyson Fury of their title because he agreed a rematch with Wlad rather than face their mandatory. They couldn't even give him one fight before barking out orders over mandatory defences.

 

[Docker2.0]

That is stupid AF!............but I'm hoping Wilder gets it. Why? Unification match will come quicker this way.

Also, Bad Chad Dawson is fighting tonight on PBC. Also, isn't Nonito Donaire fighting Friday on Trutv? What's up with that?

 

[Doc Samson]

Also, Bad Chad Dawson is fighting tonight on PBC. Also, isn't Nonito Donaire fighting Friday on Trutv? What's up with that?

Oh how the mighty have fallen...

 

[STARMAN]

The organizing bodies are a joke. Always have been. They're only interested in sanctioning fees. Nothing else.

 

[Iceman]

No problem.

If you don't mind me asking, are people over in the UK excited about Frampton/Quigg coming up in February?

Sorry missed this from a while back. Hardcore boxing fans will be up for it. Not so sure about the general public as I haven't seen much mainstream media coverage of it. Anthony Joshua vs Dillian Whyte this weekend is a big deal though and looks like it has a decent undercard too.