The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 4

[sophiaethan055]

Mohammad Ali was one of the best boxer in the world his quick legs and fast hands and punches is just amazing....

 

[Silver Spider]

Really good fight tonight. I'm a little wary of Walters' rust and his last few average performances (even though his last fight was a clear robbery draw). But if he shows up at his best tonight, I think this will be a great fight.

 

[Docker2.0]

Rewatching the Ward-Kovalev fight and I stand by what I saw last week: Ward won. Kovalev stopped fighting around the 5th round like he had it in the bag. You just have to listen to the fight with the volume down.

 

[Silver Spider]

Great performance by Lomachenko, even worth suffering through the hyperbole of the commentary.

However, in light of the quit, I'm wondering whether this fight was just a cash out by Walters. Once he realized he wasn't going to win, he just decided it wasn't worth being beaten any worst for what he got paid.

It's a shame; I really want to give Loma credit for this win, but it may be tainted by Walters pulling out of the fight the way he did.

 

[LoganGambit87]

very uneventful fight

 

[Fallen Angel]

Lomachenko is a special fighter. Anyone who knows about his amateur pedigree will test to that.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Finally saw the Ward/Kovalev fight. Saw it twice. Not a robbery but clearly a controversial decision.


And anyone that has never seen a man get emasculated and get their manhood taken away, watch the Lomachenko/Walters fight. Walters completely *****ed out.

 

[Docker2.0]

Finally saw the Ward/Kovalev fight. Saw it twice. Not a robbery but clearly a controversial decision.


And anyone that has never seen a man get emasculated and get their manhood taken away, watch the Lomachenko/Walters fight. Walters completely *****ed out.

Agreed on both parts. It was a close fight that could have went either way. I had Ward winning as well. It seemed like Kovalev just stopped trying after the 5th round. Maybe he got tired but he should have pressed more. The rematch should be interesting but to be honest, I see Ward dominating him more because of the controversy behind the decision. Kind of like Mayweather/Corrales.

Loma just took Walter's manhood. I didn't think we'd see a top fighter literally quit a match halfway through because he was being schooled so badly. It would be interesting to see him go against Rigo.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Ring Magazine's P4P Top 10 finally updated after a long time. I think they were waiting for some of the fights to finish.

http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=251

#1- Roman Gonzalez
#2- Andre Ward
#3- Sergey Kovalev
#4- Gennady Golovkin
#5- Terrence Crawford
#6- Guillermo Rigondeaux
#7- Vasyl Lomochenko
#8- Canelo Alvarez
#9- Shinsuke Yamaneka
#10- Carl Frampton

 

[Docker2.0]

How is Thurman or Garcia not in the top 10? Thurman took on a very tough opponent in Shawn Porter and is the Welterweight champion.

 

[Fallen Angel]

No idea bro but Oscar and Goldenboy own the RING publication. Could it be something in that?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Conor McGregor v Floyd Mayweather in 2017? The UFC champion has been granted a boxing licence. http://bbc.in/2fJxH9G

 

[Fallen Angel]

Dereck Chisora picked up and threw a desk at Dillian Whyte Not your average pre-fight press conference. Full WWF mode.

 

[Docker2.0]

Anything to build the fight up. Is it in Europe?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Yes in Manchester,England. On the undercard of Anthony Joshua's fight.

 

[InCali]

My father was a professional fighter and I used to box as an amateur. I've seen a LOT of fighters over a few decades and I can tell you that I have not seen a fighter like Lomachenko for a very long time....if ever. The only way this guy loses is if he's outweighed by 20 or so pounds. His skill set is ASTOUNDING on top of being physically gifted. The only chance you have is to fight the dirtiest fight possible and hope the ref lets you get away with it.

That guy is the complete package and will only get better. He comes at you effectively from so many angles that it is virtually impossible to know what he's going to do next. There's just no pattern to how he fights. Add that to being very difficult to hit because of his lateral movement and you've got a guy who is almost impossible to beat.

 

[InCali]

Conor McGregor v Floyd Mayweather in 2017? The UFC champion has been granted a boxing licence. http://bbc.in/2fJxH9G

McGregor doesn't need a trainer or a manager. Just put a doctor in his corner....that should take care of everything he'll need.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Cali, Lomochenko has lost in his second fight to Orlando Salido. Granted it was S/D loss but a loss is a loss.

 

[Assassin32]

It's looking like Miguel Cotto and James Kirkland are going to headline their own PPV card.

No thank you.

 

[Silver Spider]

Dereck Chisora picked up and threw a desk at Dillian Whyte Not your average pre-fight press conference. Full WWF mode.

When Dereck Chisora gets glassed one too many times.

 

[InCali]

Cali, Lomochenko has lost in his second fight to Orlando Salido. Granted it was S/D loss but a loss is a loss.

Oh. I agree. A loss is a loss. My father lost one fight and won the next two against the same person.

Note what I said. "The only chance you have is to fight the dirtiest fight possible and hope the ref lets you get away with it." There were other issues (weight) that may have played into it. (EDIT: I'm not making excuses, but think about how difficult it is for ANYONE to fight a professional titleholder in their SECOND match as a pro. It's almost unheard of in spite of amateur pedigree). Personally, I think you learn more from your "defeats" than you do from your "wins". Let's be clear....this is a boxing thread and if you don't think Lomachenko has a chance to be ranked with the very best, then I'll respectfully disagree.

Now, if ANYONE wants to bet against Lomachenko who lost in his second fight as a pro against Salido in a rematch (which I don't think Salido really wants), they better hope that Vasyl has brittle hands, a ref that allows low blows, and a bad case of the flu Lomachenko gets the day before the fight.

You aren't seriously saying that you think Salido has a hot frell in hell at winning that fight. Are you?

Virtually everyone loses at some point, but don't dismiss what I'm saying which was

That guy is the complete package and will only get better. He comes at you effectively from so many angles that it is virtually impossible to know what he's going to do next. There's just no pattern to how he fights. Add that to being very difficult to hit because of his lateral movement and you've got a guy who is almost impossible to beat.

by coming off with the "Well Lomachenko lost a fight" (in his second pro fight). If you think Salido is a better fighter than Lomachenko (which I sincerely doubt), you're certainly entitled to your opinion. It's just not an opinion shared by most who know boxing.

 

[Docker2.0]

It's looking like Miguel Cotto and James Kirkland are going to headline their own PPV card.

No thank you.

That is not a PPV fight! What's up with these guys with these sorry ass fights on PPV?

 

[Iceman]

Dereck Chisora picked up and threw a desk at Dillian Whyte Not your average pre-fight press conference. Full WWF mode.

Haha. Looking forward to this and the AJ Molina fight.

 

[P Supreme]

That is not a PPV fight! What's up with these guys with these sorry ass fights on PPV?

when your a decorated former champion with a country behind you (Cotto)
their will always be an audience that will pay for the fights out of loyalty

Me being PR I know my family back in the island are excited about the fight but I'm not Cotto is fighting on name recognition at this point

I don't pay for that garbage

 

[InCali]

This list is heavily weighted towards heavyweights. It's interesting to try to figure out who the best boxer of all time is, but, ultimately, it's like trying to punch smoke. Training and conditioning has become a science as has technique so today's fighters are just better. That being said, here are some of my thoughts.

Tyson - After people got over the bully factor, he was exposed as being a good, hard punching heavyweight that didn't work at his craft hard enough to be considered great.

Ali - HAS to be in the discussion. Period.

Sugar Ray - Absolutely murderously hard punching welterweight. A lot of people recognize his boxing ability, but not his punch. Had he only trained better. Great, great fighter.

Mayweather - We've all seen what he's done. Definitely in the discussion.

Pacquiao - Sorry, not in the discussion

Dempsey - Would get torn apart by someone like Frazier or Ali. Too small to be a top flight heavy today.

Louis - Maybe.

Holmes and Lewis - Not in the Ali or even Frazier category IMO.

Mosley - Up there, but no cigar.

Frazier - In the discussion, but below Ali.

Foreman - Interesting. He didn't learn to relax until later in his career and it affected his stamina (think Ali fight).

Liston - See Tyson.

Marciano - See Dempsey

Holyfield - Up there. Especially as a light heavyweight.

Jones Jr. - Up there, but I think maybe a half rung below Holyfield. That would have been an interesting fight.

De La Hoya - No.

Valuev - Seriously??? Essentially lost to a 36 year old Holyfield.

Leonard - Up there, but no.

I'd throw in guys like Emile Griffith, Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran (as a lightweight), Vincente Saldivar, Pernell Whitaker and others rather than some of the above, but no matter what list you put together, getting it close to right is virtually impossible.

Lomachenko has a shot at making this list. Putting him at #7 (6??) in today's batch of fighters is ridiculous.....way to go Ring.

EDIT: Tito Trinidad - I saw him knock a guy out with maybe the most vicious left to the liver that I've ever seen. That guy was a MURDEROUS body puncher.

Tommy Hearns as a welterweight???