Gotham The Official Cameron Monaghan As Jerome Valeska/(Possibly) The Joker

Cameron was very good in his episode. It was advertised that he would be playing "Joker" (or that he was at least playing a part in the Joker story arc on the show and that this was the beginning of it) a week before the episode aired so there were high expectations and he still nailed it. I look forward to seeing more of him on the show.

 

Personally I wasn't a big fan of the Riddler but I loved the Penguin. He along with Falcone (played superbly by John Doman) were my two favourite characters on the show in season 1.

 

I may be in the minority. But, if Jerome is not the Joker after this last episode. I will be very disappointed.

 

you're not alone. i might actually quit the show if he doesn't turn out to be the joker.

 

I don't know if Jerome is the Joker or not but whether he is he's doing a very good job at it IMO. He seems more of a combination of Heath Ledger's Joker and I would also say Jack Nicholson's there might be a bit of Mark Hamill in there as well.

 

definitely some hamill in the video recording scene . particularly his delivery of "we're here to spread the message of wisdom and hope "

 

Whatever the actuality of it, I will admit the young lad certainly has done an excellent job of being a Joker type, if not the Joker himself. Although, I wa originally of the mind that he should not be the actual Joker, preferring the mystery of Joker's origin, The more I think on it, the more I like the idea of Monaghan turning out to be the real thing because of the excellent job he's doing.

 

Just curious - Has anyone done any color manips of CM to give him the white skin and green hair? I'd like to see that..

 

I've seen a couple on Google Images

 

He looks a little bit of "horny old man" and less "sadistic killer" in those manpis.

 

LOL

I really wish Jerome had been the Joker or that the show hadn't made him so Jokery. They've just thrown away a golden opportunity and because of this, when the hypothetical actual Joker shows up, he's just going to be a Jerome copycat.

 

^ Pretty much, unless he's not actually dead...which I hope is the case because this "the Joker isn't a man, he's an idea" crap is some of the most lame b.s. I've heard in a while.

 

Came across this and thought it would be of interest.

http://screenrant.com/gotham-season-2-joker-return/

Thoughts?

 

That they realize they made a mistake by killing off Jerome so they intend to bring him back and keep him around next time.

 

I guess you have all forgotten how many times the Joker has "died" yet shown to be alive at a later point in the Batman universe?

Jerome will be back unless the show can't get Cameron back. I guarantee it.

 

Penguin stabbed Galavan in the neck on the same side as Galvan stabbed Jerome and Galavan was fine.

The GCPD thought Firefly was dead, even though she was still alive.

There's too many references to Jerome for something not to be on the cards I think.

I would love for Jerome to return to the show (imagine if he and penguin teamed up to take on Galavan), and I think there is something planned that we may not know about yet (Jerome's comeback episode would certainly get people watching even if only to find out how he's still alive), however I don't want to get my hopes up just in case they decide not to bring him back.

 

Yeah, the only reason they'd not bring him back would be if they can't secure the actor for the role.

My gut feeling is that they will have one Joker copycat at some point who will be killed, and after that, they will bring Jerome back in some manner. It could work differently. All I'm pretty sure of is that the Joker will be used very sparingly.

 

I'm all for bringing Jerome back. The question is though, is he gonna be Jerome or the actual Joker? I like the character and i like the actor but what's the point in having a character that's exactly like the Joker (motivations, mannerisms, personality etc.) if he's not actually the Joker?

The Joker being an idea instead of a person is the stupidest thing since Deadpool getting his mouth sown shut.

 

They're bringing Jerome back. Trust me.

Also the "Joker As Idea" thing is far from stupid in a supernatural universe.

 

I agree. To me, Jerome was the Joker. He may not have had the clown get up or the moniker YET, but he was the Joker personality wise, also there have been too many references to Jerome in episodes after his "death" which makes me think we may not have seen the last of him. I'm hoping he was sent to that indian hill place that Firefly was sent to.

I agree. Besides the fact that Jerome was the perfect Joker in Gotham, Not having the Joker be a person but an idea diminishes the Joker/Batman relationship because "the Joker" would be a different person each time. In the comics, Batman and Harley Quinn are the two most important and sustained relationships in Joker's life. Granted, they are not the most healthy of relationships, but then what relationship involving the Joker would be? I know Gotham is not the comics so certain aspects can be played with more, such as giving Joker a past, having Maroni dead before he threw acid in Harvey Dent's face etc, but there are certain aspects that can't be changed such as the Wayne murders/Bruce becomes Batman. The Joker/Batman dynamic shouldn't be changed either. Whilst we're never going to see a full blown Batman/Joker showdown, the fact that Jerome and Bruce have interacted before they became their more well known namesakes is a nice touch and an interesting dynamic and it would be a wasted opportunity not to pursue it.

I certainly hope so.

I don't like it as stated above. Having the Joker be a different person each time takes away the Batman/Joker dynamic that has persisted throughout the comics.

 

https://twitter.com/mister_CMS/status/663863881262043136

Not sure how many hint-hint nudge-nudge you need here, but...

 

That sounds extremely promising.