Gotham The Official Cameron Monaghan As Jerome Valeska/(Possibly) The Joker

[ronnrae2015]

The Joker witnessed was basically the transformation of the character, Jerome Valeska becoming the Joker. I have noticed every villain character is connected to the Wayne Enterprises, therefore connected to Bruce aka Batman.

I believe just like firefly and many others that are being held in a secret lab by the Wayne Enterprises under experiments, the character Joker is also their soon to escape, and show us it's full rage.

As much as I agree with many of you and truly hope Cameron Monaghan, continues to be the Joker, it seems unlikely for now due to his current obligations with other films, and therefore believe like many here that a copycat will be brought in and later killed to bring back Cameron Monaghan.

 

[ALittlePush]

I hope we see Jerome again. If Galavan still has some use, despite a bullet to the brain and an umbrella shoved down his throat, then there is no reason why Jerome can't make a return.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I hope we see Jerome again. If Galavan still has some use, despite a bullet to the brain and an umbrella shoved down his throat, then there is no reason why Jerome can't make a return.

Yeah, the Fall Finale definitely seems to leave it open for Jerome's possible return.

 

[tans]

The Joker witnessed was basically the transformation of the character, Jerome Valeska becoming the Joker. I have noticed every villain character is connected to the Wayne Enterprises, therefore connected to Bruce aka Batman.

I believe just like firefly and many others that are being held in a secret lab by the Wayne Enterprises under experiments, the character Joker is also their soon to escape, and show us it's full rage.

As much as I agree with many of you and truly hope Cameron Monaghan, continues to be the Joker, it seems unlikely for now due to his current obligations with other films, and therefore believe like many here that a copycat will be brought in and later killed to bring back Cameron Monaghan.

That's the reality. Monaghan it's just awesome as the joker, but he has already a fix character in a show (he's Ian Gallagher in Shameless US), and probably other kind of works, so it's unlikely that he would become the actual joker in Gotham

 

[ZIPBAGS]

Does anyone think he was initially put on the show to be a couple of episodes character that teased Joker....But he was so popular they extended his storylines to keep him around?

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Does anyone think he was initially put on the show to be a couple of episodes character that teased Joker....But he was so popular they extended his storylines to keep him around?

Seems that way. I think I recall reading an article from the producers that said as much.

 

[Wildcard]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. I didn't know the producers actually said it but given that, it just makes it all the more concrete. Either way, some things just go right, and this was one of them.

 

[2kt09]

Good gawd, does Cameron Monaghan know how to act.

I still lean towards the identity of the Joker being anonymous as they intended,
but I love that he came back by popular demand.

 

[Arachnerd]

Pretty much.

Just hoping they haven't brought him back to kill him off again.

 

[Luke234]

Holy moly would nerds be losing their minds if the cinematic joker had his real name revealed.

 

[Arachnerd]

Holy moly would nerds be losing their minds if the cinematic joker had his real name revealed.

You haven't heard of Jack Napier, dawg?

Pretty sure most people don't mind at this point given Cameron Monaghan's performance.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Holy moly would nerds be losing their minds if the cinematic joker had his real name revealed.

The only ones who would care would be the pedantic types who hold that it is the mystery and not the way he acts that is important.

 

[2kt09]

Holy moly would nerds be losing their minds if the cinematic joker had his real name revealed.

I actually found this show's twist interesting enough in assuming it's interchangeable/ambiguous the same way he was once part of the Red Hood gang, only the motivation here for donning a Joker-like persona is out of shared insanity.

 

[BigDave]

New to the forum; and relatively new to Gotham. Watched the first two seasons on DVD before joining live for season 3.

I for one am glad he's back. I was surprised when they killed him off last season: he was the Joker. An anonymous copycat would never have played it so bang-on.

Perhaps the death/reanimation will explain the disfigurement?

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

I think they were keeping their options open in case people didn't take to the idea of him as the Joker, but they were probably always planning to make him the definite one.

 

[Steelsheen]

i did remember reading an interview that Jerome was the show's way of homaging the Joker without actually going there (there was a lot of that going on during the first season), but given Cameron's performance and the way the viewers reacted to him it started to lean more and more towards Jokeresque personification until they finally bit the bullet and went with it.

having been a long time DC fan and seeing nearly every iteration of Joker's origins, im pretty happy with this version of Gotham. its a good and unique way of creating a story from the usual storytelling tropes of nature vs nurture / child of a broken/abusive home / ginger / weirdo / loner / child growing up in unusual environments/company etc etc. the Gotham showrunners really nailed it with the Joker, good job!

 

[Arachnerd]

A part of me feels that if they don't have him gradually evolve into the actual Joker, like Bruce's progression into Batman at this point, that the backlash will be uglier than it was with The Last Laugh.

 

[hellblazer103]

Holy moly would nerds be losing their minds if the cinematic joker had his real name revealed.

 

[Wildcard]

Haha yeah, been done before. Nothing new.

Not to mention the constant references in comics stating his name may be "Joseph Kerr."

 

[Arachnerd]

You know there's still gonna be people that complain about Jokerome having an origin and not having it remain mysterious, because apparently different interpretations aren't "welcomed" unless we're still kept in the dark about the Joker's past and origin.

 

[Wildcard]

I do prefer Joker's origins to be kept relatively unknown because it really adds to his mystique in that it's almost as if he materialized out of thin air but Cameron's doing such a superb job that I honestly don't even care.

 

[Arachnerd]

True, but what I was getting at is, the reasoning behind some fans to completely disregard Jerome as the "Joker" just because of his origin, being completely moronic.

Jerome's backstory isn't the best, but his performance as the character won out any issue I'd have with it. But that's not enough for some people, I guess.

 

[Wildcard]

Well, as much as I love The Killing Joke, I've see none complaining about the fact that in said story he was a failed comedian. I know there's a chance he was misremembering his own origin there but I'll take Gotham's origin over that one. Him either starting out as a criminal (ala B'89) or having been apart of a circus makes far more sense than being a failed comedian, imo.

 

[Kathemy]

I have to say one thing.

If they'll have Jerome taking the acid bath in next episode... Bruce has to be the one to make it happen. Having Jim Gordon play the operative role in that business, when it's Batman canon and he's nowhere near as great a character, would be cheating the audience.

 

[Wildcard]

I hope the writers would be smart enough to have that burden fall to Bruce. I've always loved that (in the comics) Bruce constantly wonders if he's responsible for the Joker by dropping him in the vat, in essence, creating his own nemesis by incident.

If they do go the chemical vat route, I wonder how long they'll wait before bringing him back.