The Official Choose A Director Thread

[cerealkiller182]

Speed Racer was in fact a film. And the Plastic Man rumors have never been confirmed.

In fact, wasn't a rumor posted on AICN a year ago about Joel Silver giving a radio interview in Germany talking about Plastic Man?!?

I believe it has

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/23/exclusive-the-wachowskis-talk-plastic-man-movie/

 

[Showtime]

I am comparing the projects marketabilty.

You're comparing what you like and don't like. That isn't comparing marketability.

No I am not, bro I have a good feel for what sells. Thats what they want. They want the Sci fi angle because theres MAD money. They want these huge awe shots that we got in the transformers trailers (the ones of the rocks plummeting towards Earth). THAT IS WHAT SELLS.

I'm sure they want that, that isn't the argument, it is why are the W's the only ones who can deliver that.

They give you say many money shots that its the easiest thing ever. Case in point:

If it is the easiest thing ever why do they have to be the ones doing it and what makes them so special?

They have 2 bombs, and only one of them was their fault. Again, Speed Racer was always going to bomb. The W's are unused talent. They could flourish on a project like Superman if properly managed. Theyd help with the romance angle, but thats it.

Any movie that bombs has something to do with the directors. They don't just wash their hands of it.

Bro you don't follow me. The logic is there. I cant gaurentee itll be a great movie, but it would be damn marketable as get out. Itd be easy to give a taste of what a Wachowski Brothers Superman t.v. might look like...(this is winged so gimme a break but dont tell me it doesnt sound awesome )

I've followed some of your box office predictions, you guaranteeing something doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Thats the kind of stuff youll get from them, not "Superman hovers over Earth" or "a wing explodes". That **** is so weak and uncreative.

So minor league Micheal Bay clones?

Not if wb hand picks the script.

If they don't? WB also greenlit Superman Returns. Keep that in mind.

Honestly, not really. Nobody they can get. Bay is the only one who is in their league.

I find this funny that you think the W's are even in a league of their own?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't understand the logic. The W's made The Matrix so they can make Superman...

Didn't WB have that same logic when they hired Singer to do Superman? Singer made X-Men so he can make Superman.

Oops.

Burton made Batman so he can make Superman.

Oops.

Yea, but Excel is on the right track. What do you think WB wants to display most, front and center, in the next Superman film? Ridiculous action/fighting scenes. Are the Wachowski's capable of this? Absolutely. Whatever one thinks of the Matrix movies, one can't deny that there are some crazy fights in those movies.

Singer was coming off great success with X2 and was the toast of the town. Because of that, Singer basically got free reign. Wachowski's are coming off a bomb and have no leverage with the studio. If they agree, I'm sure they will have to concede to the studio a lot throughout the making of the film. The studio will have their control, which was their plan for the next director picked, while they still get directors who can deliver something epic in scale which was not achieved with the character before.

I totally understand where the studio would be coming from, if in fact this rumor is true.

 

[Excel]

You're comparing what you like and don't like. That isn't comparing marketability.

No I am not, what I like it Superman on film period. But I know what sells.

I'm sure they want that, that isn't the argument, it is why are the W's the only ones who can deliver that.

Who else is there that are realistic and would be ableto be partially controlled by the studio execs?

If it is the easiest thing ever why do they have to be the ones doing it and what makes them so special?

Making trailers for WACHOWSKI BROS MOVIES is the easiest thing in the world

Any movie that bombs has something to do with the directors. They don't just wash their hands of it.

I didnt say that, I just said it is totally, 110% unreasonable to expect them to make a propertythat unappealing ito a hit.

I've followed some of your box office predictions, you guaranteeing something doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

What did you follow? My gaurentee tdk topped 300 in April when nobody outside of Norm thought it would?Me calling Iron Mans 250 million July 2007, simply because it was obvious from the footage at comic con they had the right approach from a marketing standpoint, which is exactly what I am referring to here?

So minor league Micheal Bay clones?

Unlike Bay, they have one great film to their credit.

If they don't? WB also greenlit Superman Returns. Keep that in mind.

This is a different w.b. A very different one. Last time they wanted a slightly bigger version of BB money wise. They were expecting 250 u.s. / 250 overseason. They didnt need some 300-400 million u.s. hit. Now I believe they are going for all the $$$$.

I find this funny that you think the W's are even in a league of their own?

When it comes to money shots? Its them, Bay , Spielberg, and Emmerich. Wolfgang Peterson was there too before he stopped making mvies. Stephon Sommers tries too hard. Jon Favreau is on his way.

 

[Double Down]

Here are my problems with it:

1. The Wachowski defenders are saying the movie will be good because the studio will have control over them. How reassuring is it that the brothers need to be babysat to produce a good movie? And why do people have faith in WB all of the sudden? People have been ripping the studio apart for not knowing what it is doing. Now "the studio" is supposed to be able to keep the Wachowskis in line?

2. People keep citing The Matrix as proof that the brothers will make a great movie. The Matrix had two things going for it -- a cool plot and ground-breaking special effects. However, people want someone other than them to come up with the plot for this one, and The Matrix was 10 years ago. Their last attempt to make a movie with ground-breaking fx was Speed Racer. And we all know how that turned out. Just because you can do something once does not mean you can do it again.

3. They haven't made a movie worth seeing since 1999. The sequels were abysmal and Speed Racer was an epic failure.

4. Let's say they somehow buck the odds and make a really good Superman movie. Then what? Are they going to be content to let WB control them on the sequels or are they going to want to do it their way? I think you know the answer and it's Superman Reloaded and Superman Revolutions.

There are just too many other directors available for Wanrer Bros. to take this big of a risk, because if they screw it up, we won't see another Superman movie for a very long time.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Here are my problems with it:

1. The Wachowski defenders are saying the movie will be good because the studio will have control over them. How reassuring is it that the brothers need to be babysat to produce a good movie? And why do people have faith in WB all of the sudden? People have been ripping the studio apart for not knowing what it is doing. Now "the studio" is supposed to be able to keep the Wachowskis in line?

2. People keep citing The Matrix as proof that the brothers will make a great movie. The Matrix had two things going for it -- a cool plot and ground-breaking special effects. However, people want someone other than them to come up with the plot for this one, and The Matrix was 10 years ago. Their last attempt to make a movie with ground-breaking fx was Speed Racer. And we all know how that turned out. Just because you can do something once does not mean you can do it again.

3. They haven't made a movie worth seeing since 1999. The sequels were abysmal and Speed Racer was an epic failure.

4. Let's say they somehow buck the odds and make a really good Superman movie. Then what? Are they going to be content to let WB control them on the sequels or are they going to want to do it their way? I think you know the answer and it's Superman Reloaded and Superman Revolutions.

There are just too many other directors available for Wanrer Bros. to take this big of a risk, because if they screw it up, we won't see another Superman movie for a very long time.

 

[SuperDaniel]

The thing is that they are fans of the comics. They did a good adaptation with V for Vendetta. Superman is much more up their league.

 

[Excel]

Nobody has named one realistic available director for the job.

 

[batman44]

I thought Speed Racer was pretty good

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Nobody has named one realistic available director for the job.

I brought up Francis Lawrence who directed WB's 585mil dollar smash "I am Legend." I also said I like the looks of his films and with better screenplays than "I am Legend" and "Constantine" I think that he would do a good job. (I liked both movies BTW but they weren't great or anything)

 

[SuperDaniel]

^2 movies that sucked? No thanks...Constantine was ok-ish but I am Legend was one of the worst movies i've ever seen.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^2 movies that sucked? No thanks...Constantine was ok-ish but I am Legend was one of the worst movies i've ever seen.

And the W-Bros have had atleast 2 terrible movies in the Martix sequels. I liked both of Lawrence's movies a hell of alot better than those two disasters.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Here are my problems with it:

1. The Wachowski defenders are saying the movie will be good because the studio will have control over them. How reassuring is it that the brothers need to be babysat to produce a good movie? And why do people have faith in WB all of the sudden? People have been ripping the studio apart for not knowing what it is doing. Now "the studio" is supposed to be able to keep the Wachowskis in line?

After Speed Racer, yes. The Wachowskis would be extremely lucky to get a gig such as this. So they'll obey if they have to, not that I think WB will force anything particularly unpleaseant down their throath. I think it's more of a collaborative effort these days, anyway. WB/DC/Director. WB, since 2005, has consistently put out good to great comic book films. That cannot be ignored. The summit supposedly changed things, with the Wachowskis supposedly being fans of the comics...

2. People keep citing The Matrix as proof that the brothers will make a great movie. The Matrix had two things going for it -- a cool plot and ground-breaking special effects. However, people want someone other than them to come up with the plot for this one, and The Matrix was 10 years ago. Their last attempt to make a movie with ground-breaking fx was Speed Racer. And we all know how that turned out. Just because you can do something once does not mean you can do it again.

How did Speed Racer turn out? You mean that it was so absolutely bat**** crazy that it bombed right out of the gate? I'm sure they are being considered for their visual skills mostly, and do you think that WB would let them experiment that way with Superman? Come on.

3. They haven't made a movie worth seeing since 1999. The sequels were abysmal and Speed Racer was an epic failure.

None of their movies have been worth seeing? On any level whatsoever?

4. Let's say they somehow buck the odds and make a really good Superman movie. Then what? Are they going to be content to let WB control them on the sequels or are they going to want to do it their way? I think you know the answer and it's Superman Reloaded and Superman Revolutions.

Complete speculation. The Matrix was it's own thing. We don't even know what they would want to do with Superman. It can go both ways. And if you're worried about Jesus undertones, they don't have to write the movies at all. They would be lucky to be getting this movie after how much money they cost WB last year.

There are just too many other directors available for Wanrer Bros. to take this big of a risk, because if they screw it up, we won't see another Superman movie for a very long time.

I guess I just don't see this huge risk here. We're not talking about Cameron doing Superman. Not even Fox will touch him. This is the Wachowskis after Speed Racer bombed.

 

[jrd550]

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The thing is that they are fans of the comics. They did a good adaptation with V for Vendetta. Superman is much more up their league.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Here are my problems with it:

1. The Wachowski defenders are saying the movie will be good because the studio will have control over them. How reassuring is it that the brothers need to be babysat to produce a good movie? And why do people have faith in WB all of the sudden? People have been ripping the studio apart for not knowing what it is doing. Now "the studio" is supposed to be able to keep the Wachowskis in line?

I'm not saying the Wachowskis will be good because the studio will have control over them. I'm saying, they fit the profile now of what the studio is looking for according to Showtime and FilmNerdJamie. The fact is, the next director will be at the mercy of the studio to a certain degree. This doesn't mean I think that will be good. However, accepting that is the situation, and knowing that the Wachowskis can potentially deliver something special visually, than I can understand that route and I am not opposed to it.

Plus, supposedly since the summit, it's not just the studio now with these superhero films. It is the studio and DC Comics and that makes a huge difference. So yea, maybe WB still doesn't know exactly what they are doing with these properties but considering they are now willing to bring in DC into this, that goes a long way in admitting their shortcomings and allows for something that could satisfy both the hardcore fans and GA. Time will tell how effective that summit was, but it's not just the studio anymore, and that's a relief.

2. People keep citing The Matrix as proof that the brothers will make a great movie. The Matrix had two things going for it -- a cool plot and ground-breaking special effects. However, people want someone other than them to come up with the plot for this one, and The Matrix was 10 years ago. Their last attempt to make a movie with ground-breaking fx was Speed Racer. And we all know how that turned out. Just because you can do something once does not mean you can do it again.

And it can't be ruled that they can't do it again since they have accomplished that before.

3. They haven't made a movie worth seeing since 1999. The sequels were abysmal and Speed Racer was an epic failure.

I understand the reservations, I really do. But I understand where WB is coming from as well. And I think, with the Wachowskis knowledge of comics and DC Comics being involved as well, it could turn out to be something very good.

4. Let's say they somehow buck the odds and make a really good Superman movie. Then what? Are they going to be content to let WB control them on the sequels or are they going to want to do it their way? I think you know the answer and it's Superman Reloaded and Superman Revolutions.

Well, if the formula was: Wachowski's + input from DC + some concessions to the studio = big hit, why would the studio automatically change the formula to give complete free reign to them. You stick to the formula that works, right?

There are just too many other directors available for Wanrer Bros. to take this big of a risk, because if they screw it up, we won't see another Superman movie for a very long time.

And if they get it right, this could be something that goes a long way in satisfying a lot of people.

 

[Lighthouse]

I'll be perfectly honest and say the I really liked Speed Racer. I loathed the TV show, but found the movie to be quite exhilarating and fun. Should it have been about a half hour shorter? Definitely, but I still think its a quality film.

Really liked the Matrix, kinda liked Matrix Reloaded, and absolutely hated Revolutions. Still, if this turns out to be true, I'll feel fairly optimistic about the next Superman. I think they have real potential to make it a thrilling and fun movie.

 

[bunk]

They would really need to convince me they're a good choice for the franchise. At this point I don't like the idea.

 

[SuperDaniel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oNdGHU_kHU

 

[I Am The Knight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oNdGHU_kHU

I love the little spin in mid-air!

 

[SuperDaniel]

The movie is years old and the flying looks more Fun than what was shown in S Returns. I remember being wide-eyed when I saw that scene.

 

[solidsnake86]

Hmmm.. the matrix reloaded wasnt that bad in all honesty, it was one big action set piece and I think it gets lumped in with revolutions, but I guess they were one giant film. Given with what singer did I would find it hard to believe that they would give the W-bros the chance but anything is possible. At least with them though, you can expect great action and if they did a reboot, I don't really see how it could be screwed up.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea i have yet to watch all of speed racer for my self yet. Been meaning to just havent gotten around to it. As for the bros yes their last few films havent been the greatest films of all time. Though i do think it would be pretty interesting to see what they could give us. I would just hope for a good script, solid cast, and good fx/costumes and all the important things i would like to see. As for one thing i would totally want who ever is to be director to be a fan of the comics/character of superman and understand fully his mythos and all that.

 

[jpmuftak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oNdGHU_kHU

WOW! I remember spending HOURS doing this frame by frame in photoshop for like a 30 sec stupid clip. I can't believe that thing is still floating around. But yeah, I was pretty disappointed with SR's flying stuff.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea there is so many other films from the last few yrs that had flying characters i thought was much better then the SR flying sequences.

 

[SuperAl]

Francis Lawrence?? why would anyone want him on superman, he has no imagination what so ever, his vision of his monsters were soo friggin bad that it killed I Am Legend. Seriously i don't understand how someone could've made that movie so bad, the story is so perfect yet he screwed it up. I want Lawrence no way near Superman, i can just imagine it now, Brainiac being full CGI and incredibly fake looking. Only reason that movie made big bucks was cuz of Will Smith alone, so dont try to bring it up as a hit.

Wachowski bros made prolly one of the greatest movies ever in Matrix, and although Matrix 2 and 3 weren't great, they weren't bad either. V for Vendetta was also a pretty damn good movie in my opinion. Never saw speed racer tho, mainly cuz i thought the cartoon sucked. The Bros are at least guaranteed to give us awesome action scenes, which id happily take over Singer's version of a guy catchin stuff.