Gotham The Official Gotham News and discussion thread - Part 5

Given all we know, he probably still won't get the name.

But let's face it, if post-vat fall Jeremiah faces off against Batman in the finale, we all know who he really is.
 
it's a shame this series is ending just as it's ramping up to the Batman stuff ( even if it's incredibly young Batman...….lol ).

still wish they could do another 1 or 2 seasons with the focus now on Bruce as Batman.
 
WB would never allow a live-action Batman show, unfortunately.
 
I’ve loved this season so far. This is probably my favorite superhero show. Not a fan of Jeremiah’s look though. The eyebrows aren’t working for me.
 
We are almost halfway into the season and I gotta say, I still can't fully buy the idea that Gotham needs a Batman since they've managed to do a good job in making Jim Gordon and the GCPD (under his leadership) competent when it comes to taking on the criminals in the city.

Granted, Bruce has helped here and there, but I still haven't seen anything that strongly indicates on why the city needs Batman when it has Jim Gordon. It's not like we will see Bruce become Batman to end the current "No Man's Land" situation that they have going on.
 
You mean... like not being able to catch Scarecrow and not being able to stop 300 people from being killed off?

I actually feel the opposite.
 
GOTHAM at TCA: Live-Blog - Give Me My Remote

kicking off the panel with a sizzle reel of what’s come so far and what’s ahead. Included in the footage? Batman, ten years in the future.

1:08 PM: Will it be Mazouz as the final Batman in the suit at the end? Stephens says yes and no. The Batman suit is for someone who is 6’4, but it’s Mazouz’s face and voice.

And will Monaghan be the Joker? “Am I going to be the who?” Monaghan jokes. “I could tell you, but I’d have to kill you.”

Stephens says if he isn’t, he’ll provide inspiration for whomever is. “Cameron may not be the Joker, but he’s my favorite Joker of all out,” Logue says.

1:11 PM: “The great advantage of knowing that you’re ending is you can throw it all out there,” McKenzie says of the final season being bonkers. “We were never really models of restraint,” Stephens adds.

There were iconic moments and relationships that they tackled, because if they didn’t do it now, it wasn’t going to happen, McKenzie says.

1:13 PM: Killer Croc was a character they wanted to tackle from the comics that they didn’t get to. But there was someone later in the season who isn’t quite there, but close enough for them.

Smith wanted Taylor to have an umbrella and himself to have a cane so they could have a fight. It didn’t happen, though.

1:15 PM: There’s something for Barbara that comes up in this week’s episode…Richards teases it’ll come into play with the ten-year flashforward.

1:16 PM: Mazouz is back to school for the first time since seventh grade—he jokes he’s so bored now. “The one thing I learned from Bruce Wayne, which is the best message you can take to heart, is you can do anything if you set your mind to it,” Mazouz says. Bruce starts off as a rich boy in an alley, he says. We saw how he dealt with it. He used that mindset to help get over not wanting to get a shot in real-life.

1:20 PM: “I think it’s pretty fair to say they’re copying us,” McKenzie says of the ARROWverse shows incorporating a lot of GOTHAM-like elements. But Cannon says DC is good about regulating things.

1:21 PM: “I thought Erin did such an amazing job—the transformation of Barbara Kean was so incredible over the five seasons,” Logue says. He calls her a “force of nature.” Stephens says they were inspired by Richards’ energy, which led to her becoming more than just Jim’s girlfriend.

1:23 PM: Will we see a fully-realized version of Catwoman in the ten-year flashforward? “Yes, you will,” Bicondova says.

1:24 PM: Smith notes many of the actors never read a script before they signed their contracts for the show. “We were constantly reinventing and rebuilding ourselves,” Smith says. “It felt like I got to play five characters.”

Stephens credits Smith with pointing out when The Riddler got his name, it wasn’t exactly what the actor envisioned. Stephens listened, and the duo collaborated on making it work.

“I never expected the writers would be willing to work with us,” Taylor adds. The actors were able to bring things into the characters and show.

1:29 PM: What’s going on with Jim and Barbara in the final few episodes? McKenzie says they can’t say too much. There were certain things they wanted to do that were “only possible when we had a deadline,” he says. Richards says it was important for Barbara’s story to have some redemption; she says it’s a “beautiful” way for her character and for Barbara/Jim to end.

“There is no hero or villain, at the end of the day,” McKenzie says, of the blurred lines between the good/bad characters.

1:30 PM: “Violence is only bad when you desensitize yourself,” Cannon says. He says it’s a real theatrical, operatic violence—they treat it as an “other-worldly” element.

McKenzie points to the episode he wrote where Bruce lost his young friend—via a throat slash—as a memorable violent moment. “What’s important more than the violence is what Bruce is going through…I saw very clearly how violence can be used,” he says. He points out with network restrictions, often violence is the only way to make points.

Bicondova wanted Selena to have a gun to her head at one point, but they could only do one take of it there; you’re not allowed to show that on network TV.

1:35 PM: “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer,” Taylor says of Nygma and Cobblepot in the future. “It would be foolish to not maintain a connection…because together they can accomplish things that would blow everyone else out of the water.”

“There’s a lot of love in our relationship, and I think it comes across with the characters,” Smith says of working with Taylor, which he cites as one of the top two professional highlights for him.

1:37 PM: How did they age up the characters? “They only had to add one thing to me,” McKenzie says. “I look 40-78,” Logue jokes. And Taylor says he’s the only one who had a fat suit.

1:39 PM: “We’ve all worked on shows where it’s not fun…it’s a lot of fun this show,” Cannon says. Logue credits the costume designers and crew for being able to create a world so specific. Stephens says a number of crew members said they didn’t know how they’d go to another job after this, because they got so much freedom working on the drama; the crew took it upon themselves to keep the integrity of the show.

“We get to be the face of it, but so much work went into it,” Richards adds.

“Even this show can be dark and hateful, [the production] was full of love,” Bicondova concludes.

GOTHAM, Thursdays, 8/7c, Fox
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WANT TO SEE THE SIZZLE REEL NOW!!!! :wow::mrk::mrk:
 
Sounds like we are going to see a lot of Batman in the finale!!!! :mrk::mrk:

'Gotham' EP Ensures Batman Moment Won't Be Like 'Smallville's Superman

Gotham is bringing Batman to the small screen in its series finale this spring, which is exciting news, unless you're a fan of Smallville. The beloved Superman prequel wrapped its long and storied run on a disappointing note, as Tom Welling's Clark Kent was only seen as the Man of Steel in two final shots. Of course, there is concern that Gotham's take on Batman will suffer the same fight, and the cowl won't be revealed until the last seconds of the series and the credits roll just as he jumps down into a dark alley.

Fortunately, this isn't going to be the case. Batman won't just get one scene in the spotlight when the series finale arrives, he'll have the entire final episode.

During Gotham's final TCA presentation on Wednesday, EP and showrunner John Stephens confirmed that the last episode of the series will feature a 10 year time jump, and it will feature plenty of the Dark Knight in action.

“He’s in the episode. He’s not just in a last scene,” Stephens said. “The last episode is one scene in the timeline of the rest of the season, and then the rest of the episode is in the future. It almost feels in a weird way like another pilot.”

What Stephens is saying is that the series finale will begin with a scene that takes place in the current Gotham timeline. Then the show will take a leap a decade into the future and we'll see Batman in his fully realized form, cowl and all. This version of Batman will feature David Mazouz's face and voice, but the body in the suit will be played by someone much larger, in an effort to get the character's size more accurate to the comics.

This isn't the first time that someone involved with Gotham has mentioned a full-on Batman episode at the end of the series. Cameron Monaghan, who plays Bruce Wayne's rival Jeremiah Valeska, recently noted that the finale will have everything we've been waiting for.

"I will say we’ve been given certain liberties in this final season that we haven’t been given before that’s going to make itself pretty apparent as you watch it," Monaghan said. "All I’ll say is when you have an episode that’s a full-on Batman episode running around in the future, you’re going to have characters that you’ll expect to see. I don’t think it’s a spoiler to say at this point that it’s 10 years in the future — that’s been talked about openly by the producers and showrunners – I don’t want to say exactly what my role in that is, but it was kick ass. It’s one of the coolest opportunities I’ve ever had."

New episodes of Gotham air on Thursday nights at 8 pm ET on FOX.
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One thing I'm wondering: how will they naturally bring up the influence(s) that will lead Bruce into becoming Batman, and not nameless vigilante Dark Knight that he is right now.

Because as of now, regardless of the cave and regardless of Season 4's Batman cameo, nothing has happened that naturally has led Bruce to realize the bat motif is the right direction. And with this being the final season, it's becoming more and more obvious to me that it's going to be accidental. Despite the dragging and mistakes and decisions they made on themselves, Clark becoming Superman on Smallville was a natural progression. I don't see that here, which is why I say it might be an accidental.

A good example of that would be what Miller did in his Batman: Year One movie script, remember that? When Bruce was homeless with his African American buddies, Big and Little Al? lol
Anyway, how Bruce became Batman in that version was by accident: he had his father's ring, which was "TW" one letter onto the other, and when he fought someone and left an imprint, it looked like a bat. Hence forth, Bruce was inspired to be Batman.

I feel Gotham is going to have to do that: that accidental moment that sets up Bruce becoming Batman. It won't be Miller's ring idea, but its gonna be something he does that in turn 1) works, 2) successful, 3) positive repercussions, and the end result is: Batman.

What do you think that will be?
 
It was said a while back that Bruce would have an encounter with bats that would influence his Bat motif.

Given that we haven't seen Man-Bat yet, it might have something to do with him.
 
SkullDevil said:
It was said a while back that Bruce would have an encounter with bats that would influence his Bat motif.

Given that we haven't seen Man-Bat yet, it might have something to do with him.
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Man-Bat is coming?
 
Never knew he existed. Well I wonder if.....oh boy, don't tell me that, Man Bat is a silent protector, he dies, and Bruce is like "I'll pick up where he left off." Like what? Argh.

Anyway, I was thinking this also: if you look at the Penguin and Riddler's costumes in the finale, they're comic book accurate, but I also feel they have a touch of influence from the '60s show. Do you think that will be the case for the batsuit? As in, the logo is like a modified version of the Adam West logo, etc.
 
The sizzle reel hasn't leaked has it?
 
We have a date for the finale: April 25th
 
Don't worry, there will be more of that later on. :o
 
Oh hell yeah, it's gonna be great seeing him in that movie.
 
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