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Discussion in 'Gotham' started by Thread Manager, Feb 3, 2018.
Words straight from her heart.
I respect her decision.
I was wondering: the fact that we're not seeing Batman in full, do you think its because they're saving it and all of its glory for the airing, or is that a sign that that's all that we're getting?
why again was the show reduced to only 12 episodes? I kinda wish we had gotten at least 2 more to build upon Bruce's departure and his return.
what's the dirt on that?
Not buying that Catwoman story...the producers recast her...I feel its something they have wanted to do for a while now, just like Ivy
You can blame Fox on that one. Warner Bros were the ones that had to convince them to greenlight a fifth season for the show, 'cause if they didn't, Fox would've had no hesitation in canning it.
That... literally makes no sense. Unlike the previous Ivy actresses, Camren Bicandova has been praised by fans for her portrayal of the character. She's been there since the beginning.
I can understand not believing she left of her own accord, but saying it was something the showrunners were planning to do for a while in the same vein as Ivy is absolutely moronic.
So, they replace Selina for the finale to have someone age-appropriate but they keep David? He won't look 10 years older unless they add a few inches of height and a beard.
I have a feeling we won’t see David as adult Bruce. Probably just his face CGI over an adult for Batman
Why Gotham Never Officially Introduced Two-Face
Man, if that stuff isnt taken fully out of context then its no wonder Gotham was such a mess.
The showrunner sounds like he made rules etc up as he gone.
They butcher the whole canon but couldnt find a angle to squeeze Two Face into it because its directly linked to Bruce as Batman?
Oh so there it was a problem but not by the rest of the rogues gallery where at least 80% were timeline wise only created AFTER bruce became batman?
Honestly, even within the Gotham fanbase, John Stephens is not well-liked in the least. I personally blame him for a lot of the flaws in the show, as well as the emphasis of his "Jerome/Jeremiah/J is not the Joker, just an inspiration!!111" comments.
I get that with the latter he was restricted by WB's stupid demands, but you'd think after the backlash of Jerome's death, he would word himself better or just leave it ambiguous. But no.
That's a rather flimsy reason for not having even more hints at Two-Face, even if they were on the nose during his debut. Honestly, I'd have been fine if the reason was just because they couldn't align scheduling with Nicholas D'Agosto. After all, he was off doing Trial & Error.
But then, if they couldn't get the actor back, he could've just been reintroduced as Two-Face. They recast Crane perfectly fine and had his face covered by that sack. Firefly was...temporarily recast before Michelle Veintimilla returned to the role. It wouldn't be impossible to have Harvey show up in some form or fashion, but he ended up just fading into the ether like Montoya and Allen did.
I totally forgot Dent was even on this show.......haha.
and yeah, that is a rather flimsy excuse unless there was a mandate from WB/DC to not use the character.
but they used pretty much the rest of Batman's rogue gallery while Bruce was still going through puberty......lol.
so, yeah, it is a little odd that Two-Face never came to fruition on the show.
but the show is what it is. and now that it's over, even though I did enjoy the show, I can say it was clearly a missed opportunity.
it could have been the definitive tv version of the Year One storyline. which would have allowed them to cover pretty much the same concepts they did. only for it to make more sense with an older Bruce.
the decision to set the events of the show when Bruce was so young is what hurt it in the end.
With that pic, which is more BTS but still, I wonder if there are deleted scenes from the finale. There is one where Oswald and Edward get mugged:
Also another image:
Finally, let's mention season 5's original ideas: it was announced the show would introduce the Ventriloquist and Scarface, Lady Shiva, Mother and Orphan, and Man-Bat. The season was also set to feature Bruce joining a gang to infiltrate No Man's Land and adaptation of Batman: Zero Year, which featured Nygma as the Riddler. There was also a plan for Nygma to be hiding in an abandoned library, surrounded by books and talking to himself, while naked and covered in riddle-themed tattoos. And Batman's final suit was set to be a "matte, metallic short-eared battle suit", inspired by The Dark Knight Rises, said by John Stephens.
I wonder how far they got with that suit before ending up with the one we got.
I would have used season one for creating a foundation and the basic character, ending it with Bruce leaving gotham.
Then a season fully focusing on how the city slowly sinks and crime spikes, people go crazy but not batman rogues gallery crazy.
You could have done a good crime solving season that hints at more.
Season 3 could have been a timeskip with bruce returning and starting to go ground level to get a feeling for the city...ending with him deciding on the batman project.
Thats where the transition to a batman show could have happened.
I had such hopes and all for the show but they have ruined it all so early on.
Of course the question always is how much wb and so interfered and what they allowed...that topic is one that im really wondering about.
If we could have had something better if they would have let them go all out.
I myself actually prefer the route the show took, i.e. following Bruce and Jim from the moment Thomas and Martha were murdered, without any major flash forward. Yes the show would definitely be better if they were ensured 7 seasons from the start, so it probably would have benefited if they had had cast a 17-year-old actor to play 13-year-old Bruce, so they could have afforded both minor flash forward and keeping the original cast, but for me David Mazouz's portrayal of Bruce outweight all of that benefit.
Anyway despite this being my top 5 shows in a few recent years, it still has lots of missed opportunities, and I find it appropriate for it to end here. Of course what works for me doesn't work for many, and for those who follow Gotham but don't like the route it took, I hope you still enjoy some aspects of the show throughout the years; otherwise if you hate all of it then it's better to just watch and comment the finale (like some members in the 5x12 thread) rather than spending time watching something you don't enjoy and hoping it would one day get better.
I actually enjoyed Gotham. I accepted it for what it is.
I did start to grow tired of Gordon being the main focus. But I enjoyed it whenever the focus fell on Bruce and Selina and then Cameron as Jerome/Jeremiah/Joker. In fact, Cameron was the standout for me, given that each character he played drew upon the various Joker versions we have seen before.
it's just that now in hindsight, with the show over, I just feel it could have been so much more if they had taken a different route.
It looks worse and worse the more i see the suit...god damn how could someone greenlight this look.
How does everyone feel about the producers of this show? Because I feel like, from the very beginning, and now with Pennyworth, their mindset on the show they want to make happen to be ones no one wants, and the ones we want they're not interested in doing.
The whole show shouldn’t exist then... ugh.