The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 7

[PunisherFC]

Great news that hulk is finally getting what he deserves IMO. Hopefully im not the only one who feels that whedon, should write and direct a hulk sequel (because he gets him). Honestly for him to capture him correctly on film, and then they fast track a sequel with a different writer/director……would be a gamble and maybe even a step backwards. If it aint broke, dont fix it bring whedon on for TIH 2.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Forget those people dude I say buy it, it's a good movie and definately worth it's DVD/Blu Ray price.

this, TIH is every bit as good as the other 4 MCU movies.

 

[BigThor]

this, TIH is every bit as good as the other 4 MCU movies.

Agreed

I'm getting sick of people treating it like some sort of bastard child because of how awesome Hulk is in The Avengers.

 

[terry78]

So it's already been established that Hulk talks a bit more this time around? If it's spoiler-ish, no need to go into detail.

 

[BigThor]

So it's already been established that Hulk talks a bit more this time around? If it's spoiler-ish, no need to go into detail.

Yes, more so than he did in either of the previous films I believe.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Agreed

I'm getting sick of people treating it like some sort of bastard child because of how awesome Hulk is in The Avengers.

yeah which I don't get considering a lot of people here have been praising TIH since its release, but now they prefer a rebooted hulk? sorry but TIH is still cannon as it deserves every right to be.

 

[terry78]

"You won't like me when I'm angry. Because I always back up my rage with facts and documented sources." - The Credible Hulk

 

[BigThor]

"You won't like me when I'm angry. Because I always back up my rage with facts and documented sources." - The Credible Hulk

Hahahahahahahahaha dude I'm literally laughin out loud, I forgot how funny you were Terry.

yeah which I don't get considering a lot of people here have been praising TIH since its release, but now they prefer a rebooted hulk? sorry but TIH is still cannon as it deserves every right to be.

I know man it's down right annoying, there was nothing TIH did that was so "bad" that it deserved to be rebooted.

 

[Gamma Burst]

yeah which I don't get considering a lot of people here have been praising TIH since its release, but now they prefer a rebooted hulk? sorry but TIH is still cannon as it deserves every right to be.

That's true. No reboot!

 

[Doc Samson]

^ I think the Hulk films receive far too much flack, neither film was the "anti-Hulk" film that many people make them out to be.

Depends on who you ask, plenty of us hardcore Hulk fans have issues with both, and they're justified.

But as far as the Hulk "stealing the show" it's really because he's the only character that hasn't worked to full potential yet. There's a reason why Hulk was up next after the success of X-men & Spider-man, and the second project after beginning their MCU. In the pantheon of Marvel popularity, they are their big three. Not Cap, Thor or IM, so its been a Marvel priority to make the Hulk as successful as possible since day one, its the only reason we even got a reboot so quick in the first place.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Hulk and TIH are not disasters by any means, but both of them miss the mark a little in terms of totally encapsulating the Hulk.

Hulk played up the psychological aspect really well, but was a bit too dark and "artsy" (I use that term lightly) to really capture a general audience.

TIH was well rounded in terms of action and being a driven (if a little thin) story as well as really playing up the Hulk's destructive nature, but failed (imo) to capture the relationship between Banner and the Hulk....as well as having the Hulk be (for the most part) an inarticulate engine of destruction....which Hulk also had a problem with I suppose. Both films had a Banner character that, to me, seemed very run-down and depressed. Understandably so, of course.

The gold of the Hulk's character is not his ability to smash or destroy things (as awesome as it is), but it's the relationship between the two clashing personalities that really is the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. By having more of a hint at Hulk and Banner's relationship ("What if the other guy says no?"), having a likeable, less depressing Banner, and a Hulk that us both an engine of destruction AND an intelligent personality, Avengers seems to be on track for having a near perfect, if not totally perfect adaptation.

 

[Doc Samson]

Hulk and TIH are not disasters by any means, but both of them miss the mark a little in terms of totally encapsulating the Hulk.

Hulk played up the psychological aspect really well, but was a bit too dark and "artsy" (I use that term lightly) to really capture a general audience.

TIH was well rounded in terms of action and being a driven (if a little thin) story as well as really playing up the Hulk's destructive nature, but failed (imo) to capture the relationship between Banner and the Hulk....as well as having the Hulk be (for the most part) an inarticulate engine of destruction....which Hulk also had a problem with I suppose. Both films had a Banner character that, to me, seemed very run-down and depressed. Understandably so, of course.

The gold of the Hulk's character is not his ability to smash or destroy things (as awesome as it is), but it's the relationship between the two clashing personalities that really is the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. By having more of a hint at Hulk and Banner's relationship ("What if the other guy says no?"), having a likeable, less depressing Banner, and a Hulk that us both an engine of destruction AND an intelligent personality, Avengers seems to be on track for having a near perfect, if not totally perfect adaptation.

Totally agree!

 

[Gamma Burst]

Hulk and TIH are not disasters by any means, but both of them miss the mark a little in terms of totally encapsulating the Hulk.

Hulk played up the psychological aspect really well, but was a bit too dark and "artsy" (I use that term lightly) to really capture a general audience.

TIH was well rounded in terms of action and being a driven (if a little thin) story as well as really playing up the Hulk's destructive nature, but failed (imo) to capture the relationship between Banner and the Hulk....as well as having the Hulk be (for the most part) an inarticulate engine of destruction....which Hulk also had a problem with I suppose. Both films had a Banner character that, to me, seemed very run-down and depressed. Understandably so, of course.

The gold of the Hulk's character is not his ability to smash or destroy things (as awesome as it is), but it's the relationship between the two clashing personalities that really is the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. By having more of a hint at Hulk and Banner's relationship ("What if the other guy says no?"), having a likeable, less depressing Banner, and a Hulk that us both an engine of destruction AND an intelligent personality, Avengers seems to be on track for having a near perfect, if not totally perfect adaptation.

I couldn't have said it better!

 

[Fifthchild]

Great news that hulk is finally getting what he deserves IMO. Hopefully im not the only one who feels that whedon, should write and direct a hulk sequel (because he gets him). Honestly for him to capture him correctly on film, and then they fast track a sequel with a different writer/director……would be a gamble and maybe even a step backwards. If it aint broke, dont fix it bring whedon on for TIH 2.

I'd love for Whedon to do it - that said if Avengers does as well as expected Whedon is going to have his pick of jobs and theres probably something else he has his eye on, especially if he is going to return for Avengers 2. Marvel dont exactly have a stellar record in terms of retaining their directing talent and i get the feeling that they see them as interchangable hired guns, or at least would like to use them as such ensuring that they dont become the creative stars. For many of the directors in turn i suspect its a big springboard - you arent going to get paid that much relative to the rest of the industry but you make a succesful big effects movie and then everyone wants to work with you.

 

[BigThor]

Hulk and TIH are not disasters by any means, but both of them miss the mark a little in terms of totally encapsulating the Hulk.

Hulk played up the psychological aspect really well, but was a bit too dark and "artsy" (I use that term lightly) to really capture a general audience.

TIH was well rounded in terms of action and being a driven (if a little thin) story as well as really playing up the Hulk's destructive nature, but failed (imo) to capture the relationship between Banner and the Hulk....as well as having the Hulk be (for the most part) an inarticulate engine of destruction....which Hulk also had a problem with I suppose. Both films had a Banner character that, to me, seemed very run-down and depressed. Understandably so, of course.

The gold of the Hulk's character is not his ability to smash or destroy things (as awesome as it is), but it's the relationship between the two clashing personalities that really is the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. By having more of a hint at Hulk and Banner's relationship ("What if the other guy says no?"), having a likeable, less depressing Banner, and a Hulk that us both an engine of destruction AND an intelligent personality, Avengers seems to be on track for having a near perfect, if not totally perfect adaptation.

True

 

[Mjölnir]

The gold of the Hulk's character is not his ability to smash or destroy things (as awesome as it is), but it's the relationship between the two clashing personalities that really is the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. By having more of a hint at Hulk and Banner's relationship ("What if the other guy says no?"), having a likeable, less depressing Banner, and a Hulk that us both an engine of destruction AND an intelligent personality, Avengers seems to be on track for having a near perfect, if not totally perfect adaptation.

I agree, as long as "intelligent personality" for the Hulk just means that he talks and can behave in a pretty civilized manner, and not that he's brilliant like Banner. I'm sure you meant it that way as we agree on that the relationship between the two sides is what's the most interesting.

 

[Drummerdude7]

That's what I intended to say.

I'm not expecting Professor Hulk, but Hulk definitely has spoken in proper sentences in early comics and even the EMH cartoon. Hulk may not be a genius but he's far from mindless....most incarnations anyway.

 

[Smashlilman]

yeah which I don't get considering a lot of people here have been praising TIH since its release, but now they prefer a rebooted hulk? sorry but TIH is still cannon as it deserves every right to be.

I'd like to pretend it never existed. The general events that occurred in TIH can still be consider in continually (fight with Abomination and the introduction of Samuel Sterns) but I don't want specific events referenced or talking about going forward. It just need to fade into the blackness and be forgotten.

Avengers Hulk is a requel. They shouldn't dive into the origin again. If they want to make it a full blown reboot down the road they can Recon a different origin via flash back in a second or third Hulk movie in the new batch of Hulk movies.

I don't want this new Hulk to be tied down and limited by the crap that was in TIH.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

They should just continue what they've carried on with avengers and call the next hulk film TIH 2. because if another hulk film gets made it will more than likely feature the leader and possibly abomination. theres no need whatsoever to reboot hulk again. Imo

 

[Mjölnir]

I don't want to see a reboot of Hulk and it was nice that when they did TIH they didn't really contradict Ang Lee's film. A reboot makes sense when it's the Fantastic Four or the Batman films before Begins, and TIH wasn't even remotely close to being like that.

 

[Drummerdude7]

I've always looked at TIH as a loose sequel to Hulk. The same way I see First Class as a loose prequel to the X-Men films.

 

[Fifthchild]

I really didnt like TIH much but (if another movie was to happen) a second reboot would be ridiculous and the franchise would be effectively treading water. OTOH given that Norton is gone along with probably everyone else who was in the last film (the earliest a new Hulk would come out would be...2015? longer than between the last 2 movies!) its probably best not to reference it too much. And that would be fine with me - as i said i didnt really like it. Just tell a good Hulk story and dont get too caught up in matters of continuity.

 

[Kirmit]

Isn't there still an unnamed Marvel film set for 2014?

 

[Smashlilman]

I've always looked at TIH as a loose sequel to Hulk. The same way I see First Class as a loose prequel to the X-Men films.

That what i'm say its a requel. They can just continue forward but they shouldn't references or talk about TIH. They don't have to revisit anything in TIH. The movie should just be a stand alone movie. I shouldn't be TIH2. Just a new Hulk movie that's not really a sequal.

 

[BigThor]

Isn't there still an unnamed Marvel film set for 2014?

Yes, there's one more slot left and I hope it's either Ant-Man or Black Panther.