The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 7

[Matt Mortem]

I never cared for Bana as Banner and Norton looked the part and I liked him well enough, but Ruffalo really did the job for me as Banner. I was extremely pleased by his portrayal.

 

[flickchick85]

I felt pretty indifferent toward the previous Banners. Ruffalo is the first one to make me care about the character and enjoy his scenes, rather than just waiting for his alter-ego to show up.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Hulk could have easily been placed in the background of this film because of the somewhat lower box office numbers so it's good to know he is a central character here. Trying to avoid spoilers but from certain comments I've stumbled upon, I can't wait to see the Hulk that completes the role.

 

[terry78]

I think because Bana and Norton played them both as just massive sad sacks. Poor me. Ruffalo has the excuse of being a somewhat more experienced Banner, who has dealt with Hulk in the past and has kind of embraced it.

 

[Oruku Saki]

I think because Bana and Norton played them both as just massive sad sacks. Poor me. Ruffalo has the excuse of being a somewhat more experienced Banner, who has dealt with Hulk in the past and has kind of embraced it.

I don't know about everyone else but the sad sack banner just rubs on me over time...I mean solve most of that crap in the 1st movie. seriously it just gets old really quick and basically can go nowhere. I mean, guys, seriously you can't have multiple jekyl and hyde movies; it's a fact because there's no way people will go watch a guy do the same thing in every single movie.That's for t.v. For movies he has to evolve pretty quickly to keep audience interest. There was no major WOW factor in TIH that weren't in Ang's Hulk and that, to me was a major no no; especially for a large budget action film.

I love TIH and HULK for different reasons but TIH made a major flaw by not doing what Avengers is correcting now and moving on from banner as a lifeless run down sad sack. TIH in this respect really went backwards from Ang's movie because it didn't get past it to an extent. I mean there is always gonna be this fear of Hulk rampaging but after two movies of dull bruce banner i'm just ready for something better. I think/hope Avengers fixes this for the coming Hulk iterations.

 

[Smashlilman]

I think because Bana and Norton played them both as just massive sad sacks. Poor me. Ruffalo has the excuse of being a somewhat more experienced Banner, who has dealt with Hulk in the past and has kind of embraced it.

There are 5 stages of grief.

1. Denial (this isn't happening to me!)
2. Anger (why is this happening to me?)
3. Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)
4. Depression (I don't care anymore)
5. Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)

Bana was at Denial and Anger
Norton was at Bargaining and Depression
Ruffalo reached Acceptance

 

[Spade]

Part of the reason I don't read the Hulk's comics anymore is exactly that. When you really think about it, yes, the Hulk can be a curse. He can tear apart anything stable, physical or emotional. But there are so many more examples of the Hulk empowering Bruce and making him a better person than the timid atomic scientist he used to be that at some point, you realize there's not much to feel sorry about. Banner's real enemy is his urge to shift blame and mope.

Yet whenever a new writer rolls around who thinks Banner was better when he was unlikable, we're back to the same old "man or monster" schtick Marvel's overplayed for years now. It makes Banner a bore. I'm very glad Whedon's on the same wavelength and gets that it's time to move on.

 

[Doc Samson]

What's strange to me is that originally Banner was portrayed with a dry wit and sarcasm, even pompous at times. Somewhere along the way they largely wiped that from his personality.

 

[terry78]

They basically turned him into the victim and Hulk into a bully. Regardless of how heroic Hulk may have acted, he always ended up just being a ******* regarding Banner. And considering how they wrote him, I couldn't blame him.

 

[Smashlilman]

They basically turned him into the victim and Hulk into a bully. Regardless of how heroic Hulk may have acted, he always ended up just being a ******* regarding Banner. And considering how they wrote him, I couldn't blame him.

I don't know. I see them as both victims of the cruelty that they direct towards each other.

 

[TX85]

I sure am glad they changed Banner drastically like this,I understand&like Bruce being a sad puppy But it was indeed time to move on,In the comics he's mostly always been like that But he's had his runs of being similar to this film's character!!!

It fit the TV show and the'03 movie But with TIH I thought he was going to change his tune after the motel scene with Betty But he stayed the sameAlthough his conversation with Ross on the helicopter&jumping onto the NY streets showed a nice tease of Bruce being more than the helpless victim&actually heroic than just Hulk doing all the good stuff!

 

[Mjölnir]

I don't know about everyone else but the sad sack banner just rubs on me over time...I mean solve most of that crap in the 1st movie. seriously it just gets old really quick and basically can go nowhere. I mean, guys, seriously you can't have multiple jekyl and hyde movies; it's a fact because there's no way people will go watch a guy do the same thing in every single movie.That's for t.v. For movies he has to evolve pretty quickly to keep audience interest. There was no major WOW factor in TIH that weren't in Ang's Hulk and that, to me was a major no no; especially for a large budget action film.

I love TIH and HULK for different reasons but TIH made a major flaw by not doing what Avengers is correcting now and moving on from banner as a lifeless run down sad sack. TIH in this respect really went backwards from Ang's movie because it didn't get past it to an extent. I mean there is always gonna be this fear of Hulk rampaging but after two movies of dull bruce banner i'm just ready for something better. I think/hope Avengers fixes this for the coming Hulk iterations.

But while the events of Hulk have happened when TIH starts the latter is still basically a reboot and not a sequel. The point of the movie is to show the troubled time of Banner and in the end we see a hint of the different Banner to come.

I can't imagine that what we get in the Avengers wasn't already planned as the intended character progression, regardless of who would play him.

 

[Herolee10]

But while the events of Hulk have happened when TIH starts the latter is still basically a reboot and not a sequel. The point of the movie is to show the troubled time of Banner and in the end we see a hint of the different Banner to come.

I can't imagine that what we get in the Avengers wasn't already planned as the intended character progression, regardless of who would play him.

From what I understood and heard, I think the general idea back in 2008 was to originally have The Hulk portrayed as a villain/obstacle that the Avengers had to go through when Zak Penn was still writing the screenplay for the film. If that had been the case, I don't think that we would have gotten the more laid back version that we have in TA tbh.

 

[Mjölnir]

From what I understood and heard, I think the general idea back in 2008 was to originally have The Hulk portrayed as a villain/obstacle that the Avengers had to go through when Zak Penn was still writing the screenplay for the film. If that had been the case, I don't think that we would have gotten the more laid back version that we have in TA tbh.

If that's true I'm of course incorrect. That certainly wouldn't have been as good as what we got now and I don't think it would have been good writing since TIH shows Banner starting to gain control.

 

[Herolee10]

If that's true I'm of course incorrect. That certainly wouldn't have been as good as what we got now and I don't think it would have been good writing since TIH shows Banner starting to gain control.

Indeed; I also remembering reading on how the director for TIH said that if they didn't get a sequel for the Hulk before the Avengers, then the plan was to go with Hulk becoming a menace.

Also, I remember Kevin Feige commenting on how they (Marvel) had realized that they had a problem later with how the scene with Tony and General Ross was because when they had later realized that they wanted to go down the direction with a more heroic Hulk in the Avengers, they had to figure out a way on how they were going to explain the last scene in TIH, hence why we got "The Consultant" short in "Thor".

 

[Mjölnir]

Indeed; I also remembering reading on how the director for TIH said that if they didn't get a sequel for the Hulk before the Avengers, then the plan was to go with Hulk becoming a menace.

Also, I remember Kevin Feige commenting on how they (Marvel) had realized that they had a problem later with how the scene with Tony and General Ross was because when they had later realized that they wanted to go down the direction with a more heroic Hulk in the Avengers, they had to figure out a way on how they were going to explain the last scene in TIH, hence why we got "The Consultant" short in "Thor".

That makes sense regarding the last scene. I felt that the point must have been for Stark to contact Ross in order to find Hulk but it wasn't exactly obvious. My interpretation was probably based on that I felt that Hulk had to be an Avenger, rather than purely what the scene provided.

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

Whedon felt that Hulk did not have enough depth as a big bad, hence the different direction. I think if you had the Ultimates Hulk running around murdering and eating people by the hundreds, then yes he'd make a legitimate bad guy. However there is no way they were ever going to portray murdering cannibal Hulk on the big screen.

 

[Mjölnir]

Whedon felt that Hulk did not have enough depth as a big bad, hence the different direction. I think if you had the Ultimates Hulk running around murdering and eating people by the hundreds, then yes he'd make a legitimate bad guy. However there is no way they were ever going to portray murdering cannibal Hulk on the big screen.

I'm glad that he felt that way since I don't think Hulk would have made a good big bad guy. I prefer my villains with a hefty portion of charisma, through acting.

 

[terry78]

Besides, it wouldn't have really been some kind of victory during the climax considering at some point he was just going to decide to team up with them, reluctantly or not.

 

[Snikt]

Quick question guys, for those who've seen the film:

[BLACKOUT]Do Banner's eyes turn green right before he Hulks out? I loved that in the TV show in TIH. Always thought it was a cool touch[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Doc Samson]

I always figured they would follow the original Avengers storyline with a Loki-possessed Hulk being the catalyst that brings the team together. Doing that though would probably muck up the Loki/Chitauri angle unnecessarily.

 

[steintym]

Quick question guys, for those who've seen the film:

[BLACKOUT]Do Banner's eyes turn green right before he Hulks out? I loved that in the TV show in TIH. Always thought it was a cool touch[/BLACKOUT]

Always thought that was a cool moment as well.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Quick question guys, for those who've seen the film:

[BLACKOUT]Do Banner's eyes turn green right before he Hulks out? I loved that in the TV show in TIH. Always thought it was a cool touch[/BLACKOUT]

Not that I noticed. [BLACKOUT]The first Hulkout was a bit dim and hard to see, the second had so much awesome **** going on that I wasn't paying attention to his eyes.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[BrollySupersj]

So where is our first Hulk clip? We got clips with Thor and Iron Man, Loki and Fury, etc. I wanna be teased with Hulk a little.

 

[Matt Mortem]

So where is our first Hulk clip? We got clips with Thor and Iron Man, Loki and Fury, etc. I wanna be teased with Hulk a little.

IMO they can't release a Hulk clip without spoiling things. Had I seen anymore Hulk than I already have in the trailers I would have been bummed in the theaters. The holy ****ing **** feeling that comes over you when Hulk starts smashing needs to be experienced for the first time on the big screen.